[rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport

[Walter Klatt]

On my first engine, the 320, the tail pipes were smaller with no ball
joints, so had them attached directly to the engine. On my new 360, I have
larger tail pipes with ball joints, so have them attached to the bottom edge
of the firewall with flexible supports.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
schaumr@dcsol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 8:39 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport

Charlie,

Others with 'hands-on' experience will chime in, I'm sure, but everything
I've
read suggests the most significant vibrations occur during engine start-up,
where the engine significantly rocks around on it's mount. Thus, it would
make the most sense to me to tie the exhaust stack to the engine if at all
possible. In fact, I was also under the impression that they are better off

unsupported than incorrectly supported by a structure in isolation from the
engine (unless, of course, you have included spring-loaded spherical ball
joint
(s) in the exhaust system).

Interested in other's views on this...
Rob
Rebel 786


are On 4/19/2011 6:06 PM, charlie@troyairpark.com wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Hello All
-> I have a Lyc. O-235 installed in my Rebel with a crossover exhaust
system. I
-> would like to hear some pros/cons on supporting the tail pipes from the
-> engine as opposed to the firewall.
-> Charlie E. 802R
->




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[Jesse Jenks]

I did both:) I have supports from sump bolts to the pipes that are Vans style stainless tubing with rubber hose, and also from the engine mount structure to the pipes that are a loop of 1/8 cable attached with adel clamps. Is working well now for 45 hours.

From: Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 08:46:20 -0700

On my first engine, the 320, the tail pipes were smaller with no ball
joints, so had them attached directly to the engine. On my new 360, I have
larger tail pipes with ball joints, so have them attached to the bottom edge
of the firewall with flexible supports.

Walter

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schaumr@dcsol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 8:39 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport

Charlie,

Others with 'hands-on' experience will chime in, I'm sure, but everything
I've
read suggests the most significant vibrations occur during engine start-up,
where the engine significantly rocks around on it's mount. Thus, it would
make the most sense to me to tie the exhaust stack to the engine if at all
possible. In fact, I was also under the impression that they are better off

unsupported than incorrectly supported by a structure in isolation from the
engine (unless, of course, you have included spring-loaded spherical ball
joint
(s) in the exhaust system).

Interested in other's views on this...
Rob
Rebel 786


are On 4/19/2011 6:06 PM, charlie@troyairpark.com wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Hello All
-> I have a Lyc. O-235 installed in my Rebel with a crossover exhaust
system. I
-> would like to hear some pros/cons on supporting the tail pipes from the
-> engine as opposed to the firewall.
-> Charlie E. 802R
->




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[Charlie Eubanks]

Mike ,Rob, Jesse & Walter
Thanks for all of your comments on the "Tail Pipe Support". I neglected to
mention I do have the spherical ball joints on my exhaust system and had
originally planed to support them from the lower edge of the firewall.
Yesterday I looked at Vetterman's web site hoping to see his engine too tail
pipe support design but was unsuccessful. If anyone has a photo or can point
me to a source I would appreciate it. Walter I would also be interested in
seeing your "Flexible Supports" if you have a photo. Thanks again for the
help.
Charlie E. 802R
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:46 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport

On my first engine, the 320, the tail pipes were smaller with no ball
joints, so had them attached directly to the engine. On my new 360, I have
larger tail pipes with ball joints, so have them attached to the bottom
edge
of the firewall with flexible supports.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
schaumr@dcsol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 8:39 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport

Charlie,

Others with 'hands-on' experience will chime in, I'm sure, but everything
I've
read suggests the most significant vibrations occur during engine
start-up,
where the engine significantly rocks around on it's mount. Thus, it would
make the most sense to me to tie the exhaust stack to the engine if at all
possible. In fact, I was also under the impression that they are better
off

unsupported than incorrectly supported by a structure in isolation from
the
engine (unless, of course, you have included spring-loaded spherical ball
joint
(s) in the exhaust system).

Interested in other's views on this...
Rob
Rebel 786


are On 4/19/2011 6:06 PM, charlie@troyairpark.com wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Hello All
-> I have a Lyc. O-235 installed in my Rebel with a crossover exhaust
system. I
-> would like to hear some pros/cons on supporting the tail pipes from the
-> engine as opposed to the firewall.
-> Charlie E. 802R
->




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[Jesse Jenks]

I got my support kit from Vetterman. If you search around on the van's forum you will find lots of pics and info. The way he designed it it's supposed to have a horizontal support that ties the two pipes together but the vans pipes are much closer together than the Murphy and at least on mine it would have been tricky to make that work so that's why I added the supports to the engine mount.

From: charlie@troyairpark.com
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 09:56:48 -0500

Mike ,Rob, Jesse & Walter
Thanks for all of your comments on the "Tail Pipe Support". I neglected to
mention I do have the spherical ball joints on my exhaust system and had
originally planed to support them from the lower edge of the firewall.
Yesterday I looked at Vetterman's web site hoping to see his engine too tail
pipe support design but was unsuccessful. If anyone has a photo or can point
me to a source I would appreciate it. Walter I would also be interested in
seeing your "Flexible Supports" if you have a photo. Thanks again for the
help.
Charlie E. 802R
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:46 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport

On my first engine, the 320, the tail pipes were smaller with no ball
joints, so had them attached directly to the engine. On my new 360, I have
larger tail pipes with ball joints, so have them attached to the bottom
edge
of the firewall with flexible supports.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
schaumr@dcsol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 8:39 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport

Charlie,

Others with 'hands-on' experience will chime in, I'm sure, but everything
I've
read suggests the most significant vibrations occur during engine
start-up,
where the engine significantly rocks around on it's mount. Thus, it would
make the most sense to me to tie the exhaust stack to the engine if at all
possible. In fact, I was also under the impression that they are better
off

unsupported than incorrectly supported by a structure in isolation from
the
engine (unless, of course, you have included spring-loaded spherical ball
joint
(s) in the exhaust system).

Interested in other's views on this...
Rob
Rebel 786


are On 4/19/2011 6:06 PM, charlie@troyairpark.com wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Hello All
-> I have a Lyc. O-235 installed in my Rebel with a crossover exhaust
system. I
-> would like to hear some pros/cons on supporting the tail pipes from the
-> engine as opposed to the firewall.
-> Charlie E. 802R
->




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[Jesse Jenks]

I should add that I have had some slippage where the rubber hose clamps onto the stainless tubes. I would recommend double hose clamps or flaring the end of the tubes slightly.

From: jessejenks@hotmail.com
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 08:14:13 -0700



I got my support kit from Vetterman. If you search around on the van's forum you will find lots of pics and info. The way he designed it it's supposed to have a horizontal support that ties the two pipes together but the vans pipes are much closer together than the Murphy and at least on mine it would have been tricky to make that work so that's why I added the supports to the engine mount.

From: charlie@troyairpark.com
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 09:56:48 -0500

Mike ,Rob, Jesse & Walter
Thanks for all of your comments on the "Tail Pipe Support". I neglected to
mention I do have the spherical ball joints on my exhaust system and had
originally planed to support them from the lower edge of the firewall.
Yesterday I looked at Vetterman's web site hoping to see his engine too tail
pipe support design but was unsuccessful. If anyone has a photo or can point
me to a source I would appreciate it. Walter I would also be interested in
seeing your "Flexible Supports" if you have a photo. Thanks again for the
help.
Charlie E. 802R
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:46 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport

On my first engine, the 320, the tail pipes were smaller with no ball
joints, so had them attached directly to the engine. On my new 360, I have
larger tail pipes with ball joints, so have them attached to the bottom
edge
of the firewall with flexible supports.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
schaumr@dcsol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 8:39 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport

Charlie,

Others with 'hands-on' experience will chime in, I'm sure, but everything
I've
read suggests the most significant vibrations occur during engine
start-up,
where the engine significantly rocks around on it's mount. Thus, it would
make the most sense to me to tie the exhaust stack to the engine if at all
possible. In fact, I was also under the impression that they are better
off

unsupported than incorrectly supported by a structure in isolation from
the
engine (unless, of course, you have included spring-loaded spherical ball
joint
(s) in the exhaust system).

Interested in other's views on this...
Rob
Rebel 786


are On 4/19/2011 6:06 PM, charlie@troyairpark.com wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Hello All
-> I have a Lyc. O-235 installed in my Rebel with a crossover exhaust
system. I
-> would like to hear some pros/cons on supporting the tail pipes from the
-> engine as opposed to the firewall.
-> Charlie E. 802R
->




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[rick greenwood]

Hello Charlie:
I am forwarding pictures of how I made my tail pipe supports. I haven't flown it yet but I had a couple of engine start ups and had no problems so far.
I used an eye bolt for the top throught the firewall through a bracket for support. Used 3/8 steel tubing. Used torches to heat ends and flattened them then drilled.
I used 3/8 fuel line with a 1/2 inch space between the tubings in the fuel line and tubing flared slightly for extra grip. I also have the spherical ball joint like you.

I just come up with this idea and I hope it helps

Rick 233R

From: charlie@troyairpark.com
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 09:56:48 -0500

Mike ,Rob, Jesse & Walter
Thanks for all of your comments on the "Tail Pipe Support". I neglected to
mention I do have the spherical ball joints on my exhaust system and had
originally planed to support them from the lower edge of the firewall.
Yesterday I looked at Vetterman's web site hoping to see his engine too tail
pipe support design but was unsuccessful. If anyone has a photo or can point
me to a source I would appreciate it. Walter I would also be interested in
seeing your "Flexible Supports" if you have a photo. Thanks again for the
help.
Charlie E. 802R
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:46 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport

On my first engine, the 320, the tail pipes were smaller with no ball
joints, so had them attached directly to the engine. On my new 360, I have
larger tail pipes with ball joints, so have them attached to the bottom
edge
of the firewall with flexible supports.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
schaumr@dcsol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 8:39 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport

Charlie,

Others with 'hands-on' experience will chime in, I'm sure, but everything
I've
read suggests the most significant vibrations occur during engine
start-up,
where the engine significantly rocks around on it's mount. Thus, it would
make the most sense to me to tie the exhaust stack to the engine if at all
possible. In fact, I was also under the impression that they are better
off

unsupported than incorrectly supported by a structure in isolation from
the
engine (unless, of course, you have included spring-loaded spherical ball
joint
(s) in the exhaust system).

Interested in other's views on this...
Rob
Rebel 786


are On 4/19/2011 6:06 PM, charlie@troyairpark.com wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Hello All
-> I have a Lyc. O-235 installed in my Rebel with a crossover exhaust
system. I
-> would like to hear some pros/cons on supporting the tail pipes from the
-> engine as opposed to the firewall.
-> Charlie E. 802R
->




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[Walter Klatt]

Sorry, couldn't find any photo. Will try to remember to take a pic next time
I have the cowl off. But it is just a hose piece, similar to what others
have described.

Walter

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Charlie Eubanks
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 7:57 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport

Mike ,Rob, Jesse & Walter
Thanks for all of your comments on the "Tail Pipe Support". I neglected to
mention I do have the spherical ball joints on my exhaust system and had
originally planed to support them from the lower edge of the firewall.
Yesterday I looked at Vetterman's web site hoping to see his engine too tail

pipe support design but was unsuccessful. If anyone has a photo or can point

me to a source I would appreciate it. Walter I would also be interested in
seeing your "Flexible Supports" if you have a photo. Thanks again for the
help.
Charlie E. 802R
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:46 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport

On my first engine, the 320, the tail pipes were smaller with no ball
joints, so had them attached directly to the engine. On my new 360, I have
larger tail pipes with ball joints, so have them attached to the bottom
edge
of the firewall with flexible supports.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
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schaumr@dcsol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 8:39 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport

Charlie,

Others with 'hands-on' experience will chime in, I'm sure, but everything
I've
read suggests the most significant vibrations occur during engine
start-up,
where the engine significantly rocks around on it's mount. Thus, it would
make the most sense to me to tie the exhaust stack to the engine if at all
possible. In fact, I was also under the impression that they are better
off

unsupported than incorrectly supported by a structure in isolation from
the
engine (unless, of course, you have included spring-loaded spherical ball
joint
(s) in the exhaust system).

Interested in other's views on this...
Rob
Rebel 786


are On 4/19/2011 6:06 PM, charlie@troyairpark.com wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Hello All
-> I have a Lyc. O-235 installed in my Rebel with a crossover exhaust
system. I
-> would like to hear some pros/cons on supporting the tail pipes from the
-> engine as opposed to the firewall.
-> Charlie E. 802R
->




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[craig]

Rick,

Where are you located? I used to know a guy with the same name in NV.
Craig

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Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 9:52 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport

Hello Charlie:
I am forwarding pictures of how I made my tail pipe supports. I haven't
flown it yet but I had a couple of engine start ups and had no problems so
far.
I used an eye bolt for the top throught the firewall through a bracket for
support. Used 3/8 steel tubing. Used torches to heat ends and flattened
them then drilled.
I used 3/8 fuel line with a 1/2 inch space between the tubings in the fuel
line and tubing flared slightly for extra grip. I also have the spherical
ball joint like you.

I just come up with this idea and I hope it helps

Rick 233R

From: charlie@troyairpark.com
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 09:56:48 -0500

Mike ,Rob, Jesse & Walter
Thanks for all of your comments on the "Tail Pipe Support". I neglected
to
mention I do have the spherical ball joints on my exhaust system and had
originally planed to support them from the lower edge of the firewall.
Yesterday I looked at Vetterman's web site hoping to see his engine too
tail
pipe support design but was unsuccessful. If anyone has a photo or can
point
me to a source I would appreciate it. Walter I would also be interested
in
seeing your "Flexible Supports" if you have a photo. Thanks again for the
help.
Charlie E. 802R
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:46 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport

On my first engine, the 320, the tail pipes were smaller with no ball
joints, so had them attached directly to the engine. On my new 360, I
have
larger tail pipes with ball joints, so have them attached to the bottom
edge
of the firewall with flexible supports.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
schaumr@dcsol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 8:39 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport

Charlie,

Others with 'hands-on' experience will chime in, I'm sure, but
everything
I've
read suggests the most significant vibrations occur during engine
start-up,
where the engine significantly rocks around on it's mount. Thus, it
would
make the most sense to me to tie the exhaust stack to the engine if at
all
possible. In fact, I was also under the impression that they are better
off

unsupported than incorrectly supported by a structure in isolation from
the
engine (unless, of course, you have included spring-loaded spherical
ball
joint
(s) in the exhaust system).

Interested in other's views on this...
Rob
Rebel 786


are On 4/19/2011 6:06 PM, charlie@troyairpark.com wrote to
rebel-builders:

-> Hello All
-> I have a Lyc. O-235 installed in my Rebel with a crossover exhaust
system. I
-> would like to hear some pros/cons on supporting the tail pipes from
the
-> engine as opposed to the firewall.
-> Charlie E. 802R
->




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[rick greenwood]

Craig,

White River,Ont.between the soo and Thunder Bay,never been to NV.
Rick

From: snowyrvr@mtaonline.net
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 20:23:16 -0800

Rick,

Where are you located? I used to know a guy with the same name in NV.
Craig

----- Original Message -----
From: "rick greenwood" <rgreenwood@hotmail.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 9:52 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport

Hello Charlie:
I am forwarding pictures of how I made my tail pipe supports. I haven't
flown it yet but I had a couple of engine start ups and had no problems so
far.
I used an eye bolt for the top throught the firewall through a bracket for
support. Used 3/8 steel tubing. Used torches to heat ends and flattened
them then drilled.
I used 3/8 fuel line with a 1/2 inch space between the tubings in the fuel
line and tubing flared slightly for extra grip. I also have the spherical
ball joint like you.

I just come up with this idea and I hope it helps

Rick 233R

From: charlie@troyairpark.com
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 09:56:48 -0500

Mike ,Rob, Jesse & Walter
Thanks for all of your comments on the "Tail Pipe Support". I neglected
to
mention I do have the spherical ball joints on my exhaust system and had
originally planed to support them from the lower edge of the firewall.
Yesterday I looked at Vetterman's web site hoping to see his engine too
tail
pipe support design but was unsuccessful. If anyone has a photo or can
point
me to a source I would appreciate it. Walter I would also be interested
in
seeing your "Flexible Supports" if you have a photo. Thanks again for the
help.
Charlie E. 802R
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Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:46 AM
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[Charlie Eubanks]

Rich
Great photos Rich gives me some ideas. I have already installed attachment
points on my firewall just have to create some type of flexible connections.
Thanks for the help.
Charlie E. 802R
----- Original Message -----
From: "rick greenwood" <rgreenwood@hotmail.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 7:02 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport

Craig,

White River,Ont.between the soo and Thunder Bay,never been to NV.
Rick

From: snowyrvr@mtaonline.net
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 20:23:16 -0800

Rick,

Where are you located? I used to know a guy with the same name in NV.
Craig

----- Original Message -----
From: "rick greenwood" <rgreenwood@hotmail.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 9:52 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport

Hello Charlie:
I am forwarding pictures of how I made my tail pipe supports. I haven't
flown it yet but I had a couple of engine start ups and had no problems
so
far.
I used an eye bolt for the top throught the firewall through a bracket
for
support. Used 3/8 steel tubing. Used torches to heat ends and flattened
them then drilled.
I used 3/8 fuel line with a 1/2 inch space between the tubings in the
fuel
line and tubing flared slightly for extra grip. I also have the
spherical
ball joint like you.

I just come up with this idea and I hope it helps

Rick 233R






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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

You want the exhaust shaking with the engine or it will die an early death.
I thought I made mention or uploaded pics of the nice easy hangers on the
rebuild I did last spring. They are attached to the lower engine mount bolts
to suspend the exhaust pipes. I'll find them and fwd them to you Charlie.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie Eubanks" <charlie@troyairpark.com>
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Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport

Rich
Great photos Rich gives me some ideas. I have already installed attachment
points on my firewall just have to create some type of flexible
connections.
Thanks for the help.
Charlie E. 802R
----- Original Message -----
From: "rick greenwood" <rgreenwood@hotmail.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 7:02 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport

Craig,

White River,Ont.between the soo and Thunder Bay,never been to NV.
Rick

From: snowyrvr@mtaonline.net
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 20:23:16 -0800

Rick,

Where are you located? I used to know a guy with the same name in NV.
Craig

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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Fwd'd it to you Charlie.. note to everyone else that I did indeed upload it
last year to Rebel - Engines. File "exhausthanger".

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport

You want the exhaust shaking with the engine or it will die an early
death.
I thought I made mention or uploaded pics of the nice easy hangers on the
rebuild I did last spring. They are attached to the lower engine mount
bolts
to suspend the exhaust pipes. I'll find them and fwd them to you Charlie.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie Eubanks" <charlie@troyairpark.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport

Rich
Great photos Rich gives me some ideas. I have already installed
attachment
points on my firewall just have to create some type of flexible
connections.
Thanks for the help.
Charlie E. 802R
----- Original Message -----
From: "rick greenwood" <rgreenwood@hotmail.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 7:02 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport

Craig,

White River,Ont.between the soo and Thunder Bay,never been to NV.
Rick


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[Charlie Eubanks]

Hello Wayne

Thanks for the photo of your exhaust hangers. Mike Holloway advised me the
other day of your photo posting. I found it on the Rebel net but the photo I
down loaded was not as clear as the one you just sent. I will assume the
tubing can be 3/8 aluminum or steel and 303 med pressure hose? I could not
make out any cross bracing between the two supports tubes (one for each tail
pipe) but assume (again) that they must exist. With only 4" between the
carburetor and the firewall, space may be a little limited for the cross
brace but we will see. Thanks again for the help.

Charlie E. 802R

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport

Fwd'd it to you Charlie.. note to everyone else that I did indeed upload
it
last year to Rebel - Engines. File "exhausthanger".

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport

You want the exhaust shaking with the engine or it will die an early
death.
I thought I made mention or uploaded pics of the nice easy hangers on the
rebuild I did last spring. They are attached to the lower engine mount
bolts
to suspend the exhaust pipes. I'll find them and fwd them to you Charlie.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie Eubanks" <charlie@troyairpark.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport

Rich
Great photos Rich gives me some ideas. I have already installed
attachment
points on my firewall just have to create some type of flexible
connections.
Thanks for the help.
Charlie E. 802R
----- Original Message -----
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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Yes, side to side joiner.. same deal.. 3/8th tubes with a crimped end
clamped to the exhaust pipes with worm clamps and a rubber joiner. I'll find
a picture! Hose.. any you have handy.. it's just to make up for misalignment
and expansion.

I don't think the the joiner is absolutely necessary.. the supports hang
darn near straight down to pick up each exhaust pipe to stop the usual
crack/breakage at each exhaust stack from vibration/g loading... but if you
can get them in, why not!

As for alum or steel. My preference would be steel for easy of flattening an
end for the exhaust end and welding a tab for the mmount end.

Wayne


----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie Eubanks" <charlie@troyairpark.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport

Hello Wayne

Thanks for the photo of your exhaust hangers. Mike Holloway advised me the
other day of your photo posting. I found it on the Rebel net but the photo
I
down loaded was not as clear as the one you just sent. I will assume the
tubing can be 3/8 aluminum or steel and 303 med pressure hose? I could not
make out any cross bracing between the two supports tubes (one for each
tail
pipe) but assume (again) that they must exist. With only 4" between the
carburetor and the firewall, space may be a little limited for the cross
brace but we will see. Thanks again for the help.

Charlie E. 802R

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport

Fwd'd it to you Charlie.. note to everyone else that I did indeed upload
it
last year to Rebel - Engines. File "exhausthanger".

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport

You want the exhaust shaking with the engine or it will die an early
death.
I thought I made mention or uploaded pics of the nice easy hangers on
the
rebuild I did last spring. They are attached to the lower engine mount
bolts
to suspend the exhaust pipes. I'll find them and fwd them to you
Charlie.

Wayne

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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 8:38 AM
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[Charlie Eubanks]

Wayne
I think I got it now. Thanks again for your knowledge and taking the time.
Maybe some day I can return the favor.
Charlie E.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport

Yes, side to side joiner.. same deal.. 3/8th tubes with a crimped end
clamped to the exhaust pipes with worm clamps and a rubber joiner. I'll
find
a picture! Hose.. any you have handy.. it's just to make up for
misalignment
and expansion.

I don't think the the joiner is absolutely necessary.. the supports hang
darn near straight down to pick up each exhaust pipe to stop the usual
crack/breakage at each exhaust stack from vibration/g loading... but if
you
can get them in, why not!

As for alum or steel. My preference would be steel for easy of flattening
an
end for the exhaust end and welding a tab for the mmount end.

Wayne


----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie Eubanks" <charlie@troyairpark.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport

Hello Wayne

Thanks for the photo of your exhaust hangers. Mike Holloway advised me
the
other day of your photo posting. I found it on the Rebel net but the
photo
I
down loaded was not as clear as the one you just sent. I will assume the
tubing can be 3/8 aluminum or steel and 303 med pressure hose? I could
not
make out any cross bracing between the two supports tubes (one for each
tail
pipe) but assume (again) that they must exist. With only 4" between the
carburetor and the firewall, space may be a little limited for the cross
brace but we will see. Thanks again for the help.

Charlie E. 802R

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE: Tail pipe sport

Fwd'd it to you Charlie.. note to everyone else that I did indeed upload
it
last year to Rebel - Engines. File "exhausthanger".

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
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