[rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter

[John W]

Walter

Vans Group Buy on Icom 210 closes the 12th Oct
1058.oo is the estimate.
go to Vans Airforce the forum under Icom 210
here are the links .


http://www.vansairforce.com/community/s ... hp?t=21312

http://www.vansairforce.com/community/s ... hp?t=17563




--- Walter Klatt <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca> wrote:

Yeah, I will have to go through all that cowl and
cooling stuff one more
time. I know you guys out east like the metal cowls.
Despite the pain to get
the fiberglass one off and on, I still prefer the
looks.

I think you get better cooling too on the metal
cowls because your inlets
are bigger. If you recall, that is what finally
fixed mine, and I didn't
have to change them much either. But that resulted
in 50 degrees cooler.

But in any case, where do you get this fiberglass
plenum? Will it fit the
speed cowl?

I did find the part number for the carb heat box.
Van's calls it an airbox,
which is why I missed it initially.

I will also be installing a new radio. Any
recommendations? I want one that
has a high power transmit, and will not give me any
grief with noise, either
antenna RF or from the electrics. I am pretty happy
with the rest of my
instruments. With my new LS EI, I will also have a
display that shows the
engine map and timing advance, which should be
interesting. It even has the
option of a knob to adjust your timing advance, but
I don't think I will
push my luck with that one.

Another question for the XP360. Is the carb offset
to the pilot side, and is
there a special speed cowl option from Murphy for
this? My engine is an A4M.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Patterson
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:53 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter


Hi John ! (and Walter ...) ;-)

Ralph Baker has aready been through this whole
exercise
with his Elite - emails are in the archives. You
can search
by SENDER ...and... KEYWORD in the BODY ...

He used the Vans airbox & baffles (it's a big
round filter !)
and a Vans 'snorkel' fitting glassed onto the bottom
front of the
'speed cowl' - a very nice looking installation. He
wanted
foolproof alternate air, which the Vans setup gives
-
by a spring-loaded door .... plus the large paper
filter.

Ralph must be travelling, or he'd have chimed in
-
maybe we can get him to post a few pics to the FILES
section ...

BTW Walter - Pierre used the molded fiberglass
plenum for his
XP - it ducts ALL of the air in and down through the
cylinders.
Absolutely NO cooling problems ! Only disadvantage
is -
you have to take it off to get at the spark plugs
...
Of course, he did have a great 4 door metal cowling
with
a large exit chute at the bottom.... (and the Thorp
T-18
nosebowl - $80 from Aircraft Spruce ...)

--
......bobp
http://www.prosumers.ca

http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com

http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com

http://apatterson2.ordermygift.com

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------

On Thursday 11 October 2007 00:48, John W wrote:

Tks Bob will be interested to know .
Ive started throwing stuff out to lighten up

already.

Big difference between 2050 and 2200 in

performance.

Put a new element in the Bracket today gotta

figure

out how to open it up without wrecking the

cowling.

--- Robert Andrews <robert@montanasky.us> wrote:

John,

Just measured the Bracket BA-4106 filter ... 5"

x

5.5" or 27.5 sq.in. But
this isn't the sq in of exposed filter ... its

the

outside dimensions of the
filter which includes the metal frame. The
dimensions for the exposed
filter at the front are 3.75" x 4.25" or only

15.9

sq. in. ... a tad bit
short of the 27 sq. in. Sean mentions as the min
required. Wonder if 612e
needs a filter "mod" also. Looking forward to

doing

the mentioned run-up
test with and again without the filter.

John - don't know what 612e weighs. A lot of

work's

been done since it last
flew ... to include the amphib hydraulics. I'll

be

weighing it soon ...
will let you know.

Bob 612e

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
John W
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 5:05 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders]

EliteProp&airfilter

Thanks Sean, Clear to me waht the problem is.
I have noted my carb heat control is making

metal

,ready to fail no doubt. How do I get more air

in

there
without a major mod?

Tks

--- kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com wrote:

airbox

name of

minimum

it

from
Elite

power

easy)

now

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[Walter Klatt]

So these are fiberglass spinners? Are the blade cut-outs done?

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:35 PM
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Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter

The vans bulkheads are prepunched for the prop bolts but you need to put
the dome attach scerws in this is easy beause you can see right through the
fiberglass spinner to drill the holes

Sean


10/10/2007 5:26 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Do the Vans spinners come all cut out and holes drilled for prop bolts?
My
-> last one I did from scratch with the Murphy kit, and it was a lot of
work. I
-> was happy with the final result, but like I said, I am getting real lazy
now
-> the second time around, and just want to get it back in the air ASAP.
->
-> Walter
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf
Of
-> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:24 PM
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
->
-> Hi Walter
->
-> The Vans airbox for the 360 carb or up draft fuel injection will work. It
-> needs
-> a little trim and a bit of glass work but will fit the Murphy cowl I've
done
->
-> three of them now and they seem to hang together just fine. I also use
Vans
-> tThrottle bracket and spinners they are really nice and are a very good
-> price
-> also. I joke that all of the planes that I build have a Van-Murphy fire
wall
->
-> forward package
->
-> Sean
-> On 10/10/2007 4:02 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-builders:
->
-> -> You mention Van's air filters. Does Van's sell a carb heat box for the
-> 360
-> -> that would fit the Murphy cowl and what would the part number be? I
-> have
-> -> their catalogue, but couldn't find that item.
-> ->
-> -> Also I am thinking of taking the lazy route and buying Van's baffles,
-> too.
-> -> The ones for the RV 6, 7, et al are part number BAF-6-360. Are these
the
-> -> right ones?
-> ->
-> -> Also, where is the best place to get a good stainless steel exhaust
for
-> the
-> -> 360? I assume it is probably the same as for the 320?
-> ->
-> -> Walter
-> ->
-> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On
Behalf
-> Of
-> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:20 PM
-> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> Subject: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> ->
-> -> All Elite kits have been delivered with an airbox that fits an 360
carb
-> but
-> -> the
-> -> airfilter is to small. I can't remeber the name of the person that I
-> spoke
-> -> to at
-> -> Bracket but I was told that an 0-360 needs a minimum of 27 square
-> inchs of
-> -> filter surface. If the supplied airbox is used it will fail in about
25
-> -> hours of
-> -> use this is do to the carb heat door vibrating from the engine trying
to
-> -> draw
-> -> air from the back side of the door. The first Elite I built for Bob
Fry
-> had
-> -> the
-> -> standard filter and ran like crap at full power while belching black
-> smoke.
-> -> Pulling the filter resulted in almost 200 RPM increase at full
throttle.
-> I
-> -> modified the box for a larger filter (not easy) now I just put Vans
air
-> -> filters
-> -> on and get it over with. Bob's plane is running a 76-56 prop and
pulled
-> 2460
-> -> static at an OAT of about 90 this past summer. Bob cruises at 103 kts.

at
->
-> -> 2480. This is an XP-360 with one Lightspeed. And it is still for sale
-> take
-> -> advantage of the Canuck Buck and buy it today
-> ->
-> -> Sean White
-> ->
-> ->
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[kitplane_solutions]

No you must cut out the blade openings to many differents blades for one
cut out
Sean

On 10/11/2007 4:39 AM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-builders:

-> So these are fiberglass spinners? Are the blade cut-outs done?
->
-> Walter
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf
Of
-> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:35 PM
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
->
-> The vans bulkheads are prepunched for the prop bolts but you need to
put
-> the dome attach scerws in this is easy beause you can see right through
the
-> fiberglass spinner to drill the holes
->
-> Sean
->
->
-> 10/10/2007 5:26 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-builders:
->
-> -> Do the Vans spinners come all cut out and holes drilled for prop bolts?
-> My
-> -> last one I did from scratch with the Murphy kit, and it was a lot of
-> work. I
-> -> was happy with the final result, but like I said, I am getting real lazy
-> now
-> -> the second time around, and just want to get it back in the air ASAP.
-> ->
-> -> Walter
-> ->
-> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On
Behalf
-> Of
-> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:24 PM
-> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> ->
-> -> Hi Walter
-> ->
-> -> The Vans airbox for the 360 carb or up draft fuel injection will work. It
-> -> needs
-> -> a little trim and a bit of glass work but will fit the Murphy cowl I've
-> done
-> ->
-> -> three of them now and they seem to hang together just fine. I also
use
-> Vans
-> -> tThrottle bracket and spinners they are really nice and are a very good
-> -> price
-> -> also. I joke that all of the planes that I build have a Van-Murphy fire
-> wall
-> ->
-> -> forward package
-> ->
-> -> Sean
-> -> On 10/10/2007 4:02 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-builders:
-> ->
-> -> -> You mention Van's air filters. Does Van's sell a carb heat box for the
-> -> 360
-> -> -> that would fit the Murphy cowl and what would the part number
be? I
-> -> have
-> -> -> their catalogue, but couldn't find that item.
-> -> ->
-> -> -> Also I am thinking of taking the lazy route and buying Van's
baffles,
-> -> too.
-> -> -> The ones for the RV 6, 7, et al are part number BAF-6-360. Are
these
-> the
-> -> -> right ones?
-> -> ->
-> -> -> Also, where is the best place to get a good stainless steel exhaust
-> for
-> -> the
-> -> -> 360? I assume it is probably the same as for the 320?
-> -> ->
-> -> -> Walter
-> -> ->
-> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On
-> Behalf
-> -> Of
-> -> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:20 PM
-> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> -> Subject: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> -> ->
-> -> -> All Elite kits have been delivered with an airbox that fits an 360
-> carb
-> -> but
-> -> -> the
-> -> -> airfilter is to small. I can't remeber the name of the person that I
-> -> spoke
-> -> -> to at
-> -> -> Bracket but I was told that an 0-360 needs a minimum of 27
square
-> -> inchs of
-> -> -> filter surface. If the supplied airbox is used it will fail in about
-> 25
-> -> -> hours of
-> -> -> use this is do to the carb heat door vibrating from the engine trying
-> to
-> -> -> draw
-> -> -> air from the back side of the door. The first Elite I built for Bob
-> Fry
-> -> had
-> -> -> the
-> -> -> standard filter and ran like crap at full power while belching black
-> -> smoke.
-> -> -> Pulling the filter resulted in almost 200 RPM increase at full
-> throttle.
-> -> I
-> -> -> modified the box for a larger filter (not easy) now I just put Vans
-> air
-> -> -> filters
-> -> -> on and get it over with. Bob's plane is running a 76-56 prop and
-> pulled
-> -> 2460
-> -> -> static at an OAT of about 90 this past summer. Bob cruises at 103
kts.
->
-> at
-> ->
-> -> -> 2480. This is an XP-360 with one Lightspeed. And it is still for sale
-> -> take
-> -> -> advantage of the Canuck Buck and buy it today
-> -> ->
-> -> -> Sean White
-> -> ->
-> -> ->
-> -> ->
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[robert@montanasky.us]

Sean,

The VAN's website shows a few air boxes for O-360's. Which one did you
use? ... and was there any issues in rigging up carb heat?

Bob 612e

Original Message:
-----------------
From: kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:32:23 -0900
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter


No you must cut out the blade openings to many differents blades for one
cut out
Sean

On 10/11/2007 4:39 AM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-builders:

-> So these are fiberglass spinners? Are the blade cut-outs done?
->
-> Walter
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf
Of
-> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:35 PM
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
->
-> The vans bulkheads are prepunched for the prop bolts but you need to
put
-> the dome attach scerws in this is easy beause you can see right through
the
-> fiberglass spinner to drill the holes
->
-> Sean
->
->
-> 10/10/2007 5:26 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-builders:
->
-> -> Do the Vans spinners come all cut out and holes drilled for prop
bolts?
-> My
-> -> last one I did from scratch with the Murphy kit, and it was a lot of
-> work. I
-> -> was happy with the final result, but like I said, I am getting real
lazy
-> now
-> -> the second time around, and just want to get it back in the air ASAP.
-> ->
-> -> Walter
-> ->
-> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On
Behalf
-> Of
-> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:24 PM
-> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> ->
-> -> Hi Walter
-> ->
-> -> The Vans airbox for the 360 carb or up draft fuel injection will
work. It
-> -> needs
-> -> a little trim and a bit of glass work but will fit the Murphy cowl
I've
-> done
-> ->
-> -> three of them now and they seem to hang together just fine. I also
use
-> Vans
-> -> tThrottle bracket and spinners they are really nice and are a very
good
-> -> price
-> -> also. I joke that all of the planes that I build have a Van-Murphy
fire
-> wall
-> ->
-> -> forward package
-> ->
-> -> Sean
-> -> On 10/10/2007 4:02 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-builders:
-> ->
-> -> -> You mention Van's air filters. Does Van's sell a carb heat box for
the
-> -> 360
-> -> -> that would fit the Murphy cowl and what would the part number
be? I
-> -> have
-> -> -> their catalogue, but couldn't find that item.
-> -> ->
-> -> -> Also I am thinking of taking the lazy route and buying Van's
baffles,
-> -> too.
-> -> -> The ones for the RV 6, 7, et al are part number BAF-6-360. Are
these
-> the
-> -> -> right ones?
-> -> ->
-> -> -> Also, where is the best place to get a good stainless steel exhaust
-> for
-> -> the
-> -> -> 360? I assume it is probably the same as for the 320?
-> -> ->
-> -> -> Walter
-> -> ->
-> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On
-> Behalf
-> -> Of
-> -> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:20 PM
-> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> -> Subject: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> -> ->
-> -> -> All Elite kits have been delivered with an airbox that fits an 360
-> carb
-> -> but
-> -> -> the
-> -> -> airfilter is to small. I can't remeber the name of the person that
I
-> -> spoke
-> -> -> to at
-> -> -> Bracket but I was told that an 0-360 needs a minimum of 27
square
-> -> inchs of
-> -> -> filter surface. If the supplied airbox is used it will fail in
about
-> 25
-> -> -> hours of
-> -> -> use this is do to the carb heat door vibrating from the engine
trying
-> to
-> -> -> draw
-> -> -> air from the back side of the door. The first Elite I built for Bob
-> Fry
-> -> had
-> -> -> the
-> -> -> standard filter and ran like crap at full power while belching
black
-> -> smoke.
-> -> -> Pulling the filter resulted in almost 200 RPM increase at full
-> throttle.
-> -> I
-> -> -> modified the box for a larger filter (not easy) now I just put Vans
-> air
-> -> -> filters
-> -> -> on and get it over with. Bob's plane is running a 76-56 prop and
-> pulled
-> -> 2460
-> -> -> static at an OAT of about 90 this past summer. Bob cruises at 103
kts.
->
-> at
-> ->
-> -> -> 2480. This is an XP-360 with one Lightspeed. And it is still for
sale
-> -> take
-> -> -> advantage of the Canuck Buck and buy it today
-> -> ->
-> -> -> Sean White
-> -> ->
-> -> ->
-> -> ->
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[Walter Klatt]

I checked into this and ended up talking to Tom Glaze at ACS. They needed
500 orders to get that 1058 price, but unfortunately they have only about
100 right now, and likely won't make it to 200 by tomorrow.

While this radio has some nice features, I noticed that it only has 5 watt
transmit output. I thought most had 7 and some have 10.

Some of the places I fly in the mountains here, I am often out of range with
transmit. I can hear a long ways, but can't talk to them.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of John W
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 5:51 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter

Walter

Vans Group Buy on Icom 210 closes the 12th Oct
1058.oo is the estimate.
go to Vans Airforce the forum under Icom 210
here are the links .


http://www.vansairforce.com/community/s ... hp?t=21312

http://www.vansairforce.com/community/s ... hp?t=17563




--- Walter Klatt <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca> wrote:

Yeah, I will have to go through all that cowl and
cooling stuff one more
time. I know you guys out east like the metal cowls.
Despite the pain to get
the fiberglass one off and on, I still prefer the
looks.

I think you get better cooling too on the metal
cowls because your inlets
are bigger. If you recall, that is what finally
fixed mine, and I didn't
have to change them much either. But that resulted
in 50 degrees cooler.

But in any case, where do you get this fiberglass
plenum? Will it fit the
speed cowl?

I did find the part number for the carb heat box.
Van's calls it an airbox,
which is why I missed it initially.

I will also be installing a new radio. Any
recommendations? I want one that
has a high power transmit, and will not give me any
grief with noise, either
antenna RF or from the electrics. I am pretty happy
with the rest of my
instruments. With my new LS EI, I will also have a
display that shows the
engine map and timing advance, which should be
interesting. It even has the
option of a knob to adjust your timing advance, but
I don't think I will
push my luck with that one.

Another question for the XP360. Is the carb offset
to the pilot side, and is
there a special speed cowl option from Murphy for
this? My engine is an A4M.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Patterson
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:53 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter


Hi John ! (and Walter ...) ;-)

Ralph Baker has aready been through this whole
exercise
with his Elite - emails are in the archives. You
can search
by SENDER ...and... KEYWORD in the BODY ...

He used the Vans airbox & baffles (it's a big
round filter !)
and a Vans 'snorkel' fitting glassed onto the bottom
front of the
'speed cowl' - a very nice looking installation. He
wanted
foolproof alternate air, which the Vans setup gives
-
by a spring-loaded door .... plus the large paper
filter.

Ralph must be travelling, or he'd have chimed in
-
maybe we can get him to post a few pics to the FILES
section ...

BTW Walter - Pierre used the molded fiberglass
plenum for his
XP - it ducts ALL of the air in and down through the
cylinders.
Absolutely NO cooling problems ! Only disadvantage
is -
you have to take it off to get at the spark plugs
...
Of course, he did have a great 4 door metal cowling
with
a large exit chute at the bottom.... (and the Thorp
T-18
nosebowl - $80 from Aircraft Spruce ...)

--
......bobp
http://www.prosumers.ca

http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com

http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com

http://apatterson2.ordermygift.com

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------

On Thursday 11 October 2007 00:48, John W wrote:

Tks Bob will be interested to know .
Ive started throwing stuff out to lighten up

already.

Big difference between 2050 and 2200 in

performance.

Put a new element in the Bracket today gotta

figure

out how to open it up without wrecking the

cowling.

--- Robert Andrews <robert@montanasky.us> wrote:

John,

Just measured the Bracket BA-4106 filter ... 5"

x

5.5" or 27.5 sq.in. But
this isn't the sq in of exposed filter ... its

the

outside dimensions of the
filter which includes the metal frame. The
dimensions for the exposed
filter at the front are 3.75" x 4.25" or only

15.9

sq. in. ... a tad bit
short of the 27 sq. in. Sean mentions as the min
required. Wonder if 612e
needs a filter "mod" also. Looking forward to

doing

the mentioned run-up
test with and again without the filter.

John - don't know what 612e weighs. A lot of

work's

been done since it last
flew ... to include the amphib hydraulics. I'll

be

weighing it soon ...
will let you know.

Bob 612e

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
John W
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 5:05 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders]

EliteProp&airfilter

Thanks Sean, Clear to me waht the problem is.
I have noted my carb heat control is making

metal

,ready to fail no doubt. How do I get more air

in

there
without a major mod?

Tks

--- kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com wrote:

airbox

name of

minimum

it

from
Elite

power

easy)

now

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Vans P/N FAB-360/540 fits all 0-360 with a carb

Sean

On 10/11/2007 12:42 PM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Sean,
->
-> The VAN's website shows a few air boxes for O-360's. Which one did you
-> use? ... and was there any issues in rigging up carb heat?
->
-> Bob 612e
->
-> Original Message:
-> -----------------
-> From: kitplane_solutionsol.com
-> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:32:23 -0900
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
->
->
-> No you must cut out the blade openings to many differents blades for one
-> cut out
-> Sean
->
-> On 10/11/2007 4:39 AM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-builders:
->
-> -> So these are fiberglass spinners? Are the blade cut-outs done?
-> ->
-> -> Walter
-> ->
-> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On
Behalf
-> Of
-> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:35 PM
-> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> ->
-> -> The vans bulkheads are prepunched for the prop bolts but you need to
-> put
-> -> the dome attach scerws in this is easy beause you can see right
through
-> the
-> -> fiberglass spinner to drill the holes
-> ->
-> -> Sean
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> 10/10/2007 5:26 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-builders:
-> ->
-> -> -> Do the Vans spinners come all cut out and holes drilled for prop
-> bolts?
-> -> My
-> -> -> last one I did from scratch with the Murphy kit, and it was a lot of
-> -> work. I
-> -> -> was happy with the final result, but like I said, I am getting real
-> lazy
-> -> now
-> -> -> the second time around, and just want to get it back in the air
ASAP.
-> -> ->
-> -> -> Walter
-> -> ->
-> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On
-> Behalf
-> -> Of
-> -> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:24 PM
-> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> -> ->
-> -> -> Hi Walter
-> -> ->
-> -> -> The Vans airbox for the 360 carb or up draft fuel injection will
-> work. It
-> -> -> needs
-> -> -> a little trim and a bit of glass work but will fit the Murphy cowl
-> I've
-> -> done
-> -> ->
-> -> -> three of them now and they seem to hang together just fine. I also
-> use
-> -> Vans
-> -> -> tThrottle bracket and spinners they are really nice and are a very
-> good
-> -> -> price
-> -> -> also. I joke that all of the planes that I build have a Van-Murphy
-> fire
-> -> wall
-> -> ->
-> -> -> forward package
-> -> ->
-> -> -> Sean
-> -> -> On 10/10/2007 4:02 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-
builders:
-> -> ->
-> -> -> -> You mention Van's air filters. Does Van's sell a carb heat box for
-> the
-> -> -> 360
-> -> -> -> that would fit the Murphy cowl and what would the part number
-> be? I
-> -> -> have
-> -> -> -> their catalogue, but couldn't find that item.
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> Also I am thinking of taking the lazy route and buying Van's
-> baffles,
-> -> -> too.
-> -> -> -> The ones for the RV 6, 7, et al are part number BAF-6-360. Are
-> these
-> -> the
-> -> -> -> right ones?
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> Also, where is the best place to get a good stainless steel
exhaust
-> -> for
-> -> -> the
-> -> -> -> 360? I assume it is probably the same as for the 320?
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> Walter
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> -> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]
On
-> -> Behalf
-> -> -> Of
-> -> -> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> -> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:20 PM
-> -> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> -> -> Subject: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> All Elite kits have been delivered with an airbox that fits an 360
-> -> carb
-> -> -> but
-> -> -> -> the
-> -> -> -> airfilter is to small. I can't remeber the name of the person that
-> I
-> -> -> spoke
-> -> -> -> to at
-> -> -> -> Bracket but I was told that an 0-360 needs a minimum of 27
-> square
-> -> -> inchs of
-> -> -> -> filter surface. If the supplied airbox is used it will fail in
-> about
-> -> 25
-> -> -> -> hours of
-> -> -> -> use this is do to the carb heat door vibrating from the engine
-> trying
-> -> to
-> -> -> -> draw
-> -> -> -> air from the back side of the door. The first Elite I built for Bob
-> -> Fry
-> -> -> had
-> -> -> -> the
-> -> -> -> standard filter and ran like crap at full power while belching
-> black
-> -> -> smoke.
-> -> -> -> Pulling the filter resulted in almost 200 RPM increase at full
-> -> throttle.
-> -> -> I
-> -> -> -> modified the box for a larger filter (not easy) now I just put
Vans
-> -> air
-> -> -> -> filters
-> -> -> -> on and get it over with. Bob's plane is running a 76-56 prop
and
-> -> pulled
-> -> -> 2460
-> -> -> -> static at an OAT of about 90 this past summer. Bob cruises at
103
-> kts.
-> ->
-> -> at
-> -> ->
-> -> -> -> 2480. This is an XP-360 with one Lightspeed. And it is still for
-> sale
-> -> -> take
-> -> -> -> advantage of the Canuck Buck and buy it today
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> Sean White
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> ->
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[kitplane_solutions]

No that is a the original two piece Elite cowl that had a lot of rework done
around the air box. I have since figured out how to put the airbox in without
an extra 50 hours of glass work but it sure looked cool

Sean

On 10/12/2007 4:22 PM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:

->
-> Just curious, are this pics of a rebel cowl modified to work with a VANS air
-> box?
->
-> www.aacnet.com/elite/cowl-1.jpg
->
-> www.aacnet.com/elite/cowl-3.jpg
->
-> Bob 612e
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
-> WALTER KLATT
-> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 2:37 PM
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: Re: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
->
->
-> Yes, they are. Email me offline if you want to sell it.
->
-> Walter
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: Robert Johnson <bestofbo@cogeco.ca>
-> Date: Friday, October 12, 2007 2:01 pm
-> Subject: Re: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
->
-> > Hi Walter: I have a dynafocal mount for an O320 - are they the
-> > same?? Bob J
-> > ----- Original Message -----
-> > From: "WALTER KLATT" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
-> > To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 4:37 PM
-> > Subject: Re: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> >
-> >
-> > > Sounds very good.
-> > >
-> > > Now I also need a new speed cowl and a dynafocal mount. Anyone
-> > have one of
-> > > these they don't need?
-> > >
-> > > Walter
-> > >
-> > > ----- Original Message -----
-> > > From: kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> > > Date: Friday, October 12, 2007 12:57 pm
-> > > Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> > > To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > >
-> > >> It does come with all the bits to assemble the door but you will
-> > >> need a 2"
-> > >> flange to attach the scat hose to your heat muff. Vans also
-> > >> includes a
-> > >> alternate air door kit to bypass the filter as the normal setup
-> > >> filters both
-> > >> warm and cold air. The original bypass door was held close by a
-> > >> magnet and
-> > >> was to open itself if the filter plugged but was found to open
-> > >> when ever it
-> > >> felt like it. They now have a cable operated door in its place.
-> > >> You do not have
-> > >> to install this door if you are not flying in heavy snow or
-> > >> freezing rain as it is
-> > >> olny there in case you pack the air filter full of ice and snow
-> > >> important if you
-> > >> fly a lot of IFR. If you are ever in dought just pull the carb
-> > >> heat on as it is
-> > >> also filtered you can even use it on the ground.
-> > >>
-> > >> Sean
-> > >> On 10/12/2007 10:18 AM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-
-> > builders:>>
-> > >> -> Does it come with the carb heat gate or is this separate?
-> > >> ->
-> > >> -> Walter
-> > >> ->
-> > >> -> -----Original Message-----
-> > >> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On
-> > >> Behalf
-> > >> Of
-> > >> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> > >> -> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 7:29 PM
-> > >> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > >> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> > >> ->
-> > >> -> Vans P/N FAB-360/540 fits all 0-360 with a carb
-> > >> ->
-> > >> -> Sean
-> > >> ->
-> > >> -> On 10/11/2007 12:42 PM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to
-> > rebel-
-> > >> builders:->
-> > >> -> -> Sean,
-> > >> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> The VAN's website shows a few air boxes for O-360's.
-> > >> Which one did
-> > >> you
-> > >> -> -> use? ... and was there any issues in rigging up carb heat?
-> > >> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> Bob 612e
-> > >> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> Original Message:
-> > >> -> -> -----------------
-> > >> -> -> From: kitplane_solutionsol.com
-> > >> -> -> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:32:23 -0900
-> > >> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > >> -> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> > >> -> ->
-> > >> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> No you must cut out the blade openings to many differents
-> > >> blades for
-> > >> one
-> > >> -> -> cut out
-> > >> -> -> Sean
-> > >> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> On 10/11/2007 4:39 AM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to
-> > rebel-
-> > >> builders:
-> > >> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> So these are fiberglass spinners? Are the blade cut-
-> > >> outs done?
-> > >> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> Walter
-> > >> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> > >> -> -> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-> > >> [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On
-> > >> -> Behalf
-> > >> -> -> Of
-> > >> -> -> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> > >> -> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:35 PM
-> > >> -> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > >> -> -> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> > >> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> The vans bulkheads are prepunched for the prop bolts
-> > >> but you
-> > >> need to
-> > >> -> -> put
-> > >> -> -> -> the dome attach scerws in this is easy beause you can
-> > >> see right
-> > >> -> through
-> > >> -> -> the
-> > >> -> -> -> fiberglass spinner to drill the holes
-> > >> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> Sean
-> > >> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> 10/10/2007 5:26 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to
-> > rebel-
-> > >> builders:-> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> Do the Vans spinners come all cut out and holes
-> > >> drilled for prop
-> > >> -> -> bolts?
-> > >> -> -> -> My
-> > >> -> -> -> -> last one I did from scratch with the Murphy kit, and
-> > >> it was a lot
-> > >> -> of
-> > >> -> -> -> work. I
-> > >> -> -> -> -> was happy with the final result, but like I said, I
-> > >> am getting real
-> > >> -> -> lazy
-> > >> -> -> -> now
-> > >> -> -> -> -> the second time around, and just want to get it back
-> > >> in the air
-> > >> -> ASAP.
-> > >> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> Walter
-> > >> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> > >> -> -> -> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-> > >> [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]
-> > >> On
-> > >> -> -> Behalf
-> > >> -> -> -> Of
-> > >> -> -> -> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> > >> -> -> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:24 PM
-> > >> -> -> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > >> -> -> -> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> > >> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> Hi Walter
-> > >> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> The Vans airbox for the 360 carb or up draft fuel
-> > >> injection will
-> > >> -> -> work. It
-> > >> -> -> -> -> needs
-> > >> -> -> -> -> a little trim and a bit of glass work but will fit
-> > >> the Murphy cowl
-> > >> -> -> I've
-> > >> -> -> -> done
-> > >> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> three of them now and they seem to hang together
-> > >> just fine. I
-> > >> also
-> > >> -> -> use
-> > >> -> -> -> Vans
-> > >> -> -> -> -> tThrottle bracket and spinners they are really nice
-> > >> and are a very
-> > >> -> -> good
-> > >> -> -> -> -> price
-> > >> -> -> -> -> also. I joke that all of the planes that I build
-> > >> have a Van-Murphy
-> > >> -> -> fire
-> > >> -> -> -> wall
-> > >> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> forward package
-> > >> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> Sean
-> > >> -> -> -> -> On 10/10/2007 4:02 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote
to
-> > >> rebel-
-> > >> -> builders:
-> > >> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> You mention Van's air filters. Does Van's sell a
-> > >> carb heat box
-> > >> -> for
-> > >> -> -> the
-> > >> -> -> -> -> 360
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> that would fit the Murphy cowl and what would the
-> > >> part
-> > >> number
-> > >> -> -> be? I
-> > >> -> -> -> -> have
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> their catalogue, but couldn't find that item.
-> > >> -> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> Also I am thinking of taking the lazy route and
-> > >> buying Van's
-> > >> -> -> baffles,
-> > >> -> -> -> -> too.
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> The ones for the RV 6, 7, et al are part number
-> > >> BAF-6-360.
-> > >> Are
-> > >> -> -> these
-> > >> -> -> -> the
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> right ones?
-> > >> -> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> Also, where is the best place to get a good
-> > >> stainless steel
-> > >> -> exhaust
-> > >> -> -> -> for
-> > >> -> -> -> -> the
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> 360? I assume it is probably the same as for
-> > the 320?
-> > >> -> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> Walter
-> > >> -> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-> > >> [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]
-> > >> -> On
-> > >> -> -> -> Behalf
-> > >> -> -> -> -> Of
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:20 PM
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> Subject: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> > >> -> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> All Elite kits have been delivered with an airbox
-> > >> that fits an
-> > >> -> 360
-> > >> -> -> -> carb
-> > >> -> -> -> -> but
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> the
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> airfilter is to small. I can't remeber the name
-> > >> of the person
-> > >> -> that
-> > >> -> -> I
-> > >> -> -> -> -> spoke
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> to at
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> Bracket but I was told that an 0-360 needs a
-> > >> minimum of
-> > >> 27
-> > >> -> -> square
-> > >> -> -> -> -> inchs of
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> filter surface. If the supplied airbox is used it
-> > >> will fail in
-> > >> -> -> about
-> > >> -> -> -> 25
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> hours of
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> use this is do to the carb heat door vibrating
-> > >> from the engine
-> > >> -> -> trying
-> > >> -> -> -> to
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> draw
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> air from the back side of the door. The first
-> > >> Elite I built for
-> > >> -> Bob
-> > >> -> -> -> Fry
-> > >> -> -> -> -> had
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> the
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> standard filter and ran like crap at full power
-> > >> while belching
-> > >> -> -> black
-> > >> -> -> -> -> smoke.
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> Pulling the filter resulted in almost 200 RPM
-> > >> increase at full
-> > >> -> -> -> throttle.
-> > >> -> -> -> -> I
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> modified the box for a larger filter (not easy)
-> > >> now I just put
-> > >> -> Vans
-> > >> -> -> -> air
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> filters
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> on and get it over with. Bob's plane is
-> > running a
-> > >> 76-56 prop
-> > >> -> and
-> > >> -> -> -> pulled
-> > >> -> -> -> -> 2460
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> static at an OAT of about 90 this past summer.
-> > >> Bob cruises
-> > >> at
-> > >> -> 103
-> > >> -> -> kts.
-> > >> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> at
-> > >> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> 2480. This is an XP-360 with one Lightspeed. And
-> > >> it is still
-> > >> for
-> > >> -> -> sale
-> > >> -> -> -> -> take
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> advantage of the Canuck Buck and buy it today
-> > >> -> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> Sean White
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[Robert Andrews]

Roger. Checked the archives for a picture of a VANS air box install ... no
joy. Any chance you could upload a few? Sean, your experience and lessons
learned with this is most appreciated.

Cheers, Bob 612e

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 9:45 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter


No that is a the original two piece Elite cowl that had a lot of rework done
around the air box. I have since figured out how to put the airbox in
without
an extra 50 hours of glass work but it sure looked cool

Sean

On 10/12/2007 4:22 PM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:

->
-> Just curious, are this pics of a rebel cowl modified to work with a VANS
air
-> box?
->
-> www.aacnet.com/elite/cowl-1.jpg
->
-> www.aacnet.com/elite/cowl-3.jpg
->
-> Bob 612e
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
-> WALTER KLATT
-> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 2:37 PM
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: Re: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
->
->
-> Yes, they are. Email me offline if you want to sell it.
->
-> Walter
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: Robert Johnson <bestofbo@cogeco.ca>
-> Date: Friday, October 12, 2007 2:01 pm
-> Subject: Re: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
->
-> > Hi Walter: I have a dynafocal mount for an O320 - are they the
-> > same?? Bob J
-> > ----- Original Message -----
-> > From: "WALTER KLATT" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
-> > To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 4:37 PM
-> > Subject: Re: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> >
-> >
-> > > Sounds very good.
-> > >
-> > > Now I also need a new speed cowl and a dynafocal mount. Anyone
-> > have one of
-> > > these they don't need?
-> > >
-> > > Walter
-> > >
-> > > ----- Original Message -----
-> > > From: kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> > > Date: Friday, October 12, 2007 12:57 pm
-> > > Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> > > To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > >
-> > >> It does come with all the bits to assemble the door but you will
-> > >> need a 2"
-> > >> flange to attach the scat hose to your heat muff. Vans also
-> > >> includes a
-> > >> alternate air door kit to bypass the filter as the normal setup
-> > >> filters both
-> > >> warm and cold air. The original bypass door was held close by a
-> > >> magnet and
-> > >> was to open itself if the filter plugged but was found to open
-> > >> when ever it
-> > >> felt like it. They now have a cable operated door in its place.
-> > >> You do not have
-> > >> to install this door if you are not flying in heavy snow or
-> > >> freezing rain as it is
-> > >> olny there in case you pack the air filter full of ice and snow
-> > >> important if you
-> > >> fly a lot of IFR. If you are ever in dought just pull the carb
-> > >> heat on as it is
-> > >> also filtered you can even use it on the ground.
-> > >>
-> > >> Sean
-> > >> On 10/12/2007 10:18 AM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-
-> > builders:>>
-> > >> -> Does it come with the carb heat gate or is this separate?
-> > >> ->
-> > >> -> Walter
-> > >> ->
-> > >> -> -----Original Message-----
-> > >> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On
-> > >> Behalf
-> > >> Of
-> > >> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> > >> -> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 7:29 PM
-> > >> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > >> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> > >> ->
-> > >> -> Vans P/N FAB-360/540 fits all 0-360 with a carb
-> > >> ->
-> > >> -> Sean
-> > >> ->
-> > >> -> On 10/11/2007 12:42 PM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to
-> > rebel-
-> > >> builders:->
-> > >> -> -> Sean,
-> > >> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> The VAN's website shows a few air boxes for O-360's.
-> > >> Which one did
-> > >> you
-> > >> -> -> use? ... and was there any issues in rigging up carb heat?
-> > >> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> Bob 612e
-> > >> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> Original Message:
-> > >> -> -> -----------------
-> > >> -> -> From: kitplane_solutionsol.com
-> > >> -> -> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:32:23 -0900
-> > >> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > >> -> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> > >> -> ->
-> > >> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> No you must cut out the blade openings to many differents
-> > >> blades for
-> > >> one
-> > >> -> -> cut out
-> > >> -> -> Sean
-> > >> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> On 10/11/2007 4:39 AM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to
-> > rebel-
-> > >> builders:
-> > >> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> So these are fiberglass spinners? Are the blade cut-
-> > >> outs done?
-> > >> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> Walter
-> > >> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> > >> -> -> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-> > >> [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On
-> > >> -> Behalf
-> > >> -> -> Of
-> > >> -> -> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> > >> -> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:35 PM
-> > >> -> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > >> -> -> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> > >> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> The vans bulkheads are prepunched for the prop bolts
-> > >> but you
-> > >> need to
-> > >> -> -> put
-> > >> -> -> -> the dome attach scerws in this is easy beause you can
-> > >> see right
-> > >> -> through
-> > >> -> -> the
-> > >> -> -> -> fiberglass spinner to drill the holes
-> > >> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> Sean
-> > >> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> 10/10/2007 5:26 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to
-> > rebel-
-> > >> builders:-> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> Do the Vans spinners come all cut out and holes
-> > >> drilled for prop
-> > >> -> -> bolts?
-> > >> -> -> -> My
-> > >> -> -> -> -> last one I did from scratch with the Murphy kit, and
-> > >> it was a lot
-> > >> -> of
-> > >> -> -> -> work. I
-> > >> -> -> -> -> was happy with the final result, but like I said, I
-> > >> am getting real
-> > >> -> -> lazy
-> > >> -> -> -> now
-> > >> -> -> -> -> the second time around, and just want to get it back
-> > >> in the air
-> > >> -> ASAP.
-> > >> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> Walter
-> > >> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> > >> -> -> -> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-> > >> [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]
-> > >> On
-> > >> -> -> Behalf
-> > >> -> -> -> Of
-> > >> -> -> -> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> > >> -> -> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:24 PM
-> > >> -> -> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > >> -> -> -> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> > >> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> Hi Walter
-> > >> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> The Vans airbox for the 360 carb or up draft fuel
-> > >> injection will
-> > >> -> -> work. It
-> > >> -> -> -> -> needs
-> > >> -> -> -> -> a little trim and a bit of glass work but will fit
-> > >> the Murphy cowl
-> > >> -> -> I've
-> > >> -> -> -> done
-> > >> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> three of them now and they seem to hang together
-> > >> just fine. I
-> > >> also
-> > >> -> -> use
-> > >> -> -> -> Vans
-> > >> -> -> -> -> tThrottle bracket and spinners they are really nice
-> > >> and are a very
-> > >> -> -> good
-> > >> -> -> -> -> price
-> > >> -> -> -> -> also. I joke that all of the planes that I build
-> > >> have a Van-Murphy
-> > >> -> -> fire
-> > >> -> -> -> wall
-> > >> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> forward package
-> > >> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> Sean
-> > >> -> -> -> -> On 10/10/2007 4:02 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote
to
-> > >> rebel-
-> > >> -> builders:
-> > >> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> You mention Van's air filters. Does Van's sell a
-> > >> carb heat box
-> > >> -> for
-> > >> -> -> the
-> > >> -> -> -> -> 360
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> that would fit the Murphy cowl and what would the
-> > >> part
-> > >> number
-> > >> -> -> be? I
-> > >> -> -> -> -> have
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> their catalogue, but couldn't find that item.
-> > >> -> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> Also I am thinking of taking the lazy route and
-> > >> buying Van's
-> > >> -> -> baffles,
-> > >> -> -> -> -> too.
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> The ones for the RV 6, 7, et al are part number
-> > >> BAF-6-360.
-> > >> Are
-> > >> -> -> these
-> > >> -> -> -> the
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> right ones?
-> > >> -> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> Also, where is the best place to get a good
-> > >> stainless steel
-> > >> -> exhaust
-> > >> -> -> -> for
-> > >> -> -> -> -> the
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> 360? I assume it is probably the same as for
-> > the 320?
-> > >> -> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> Walter
-> > >> -> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-> > >> [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]
-> > >> -> On
-> > >> -> -> -> Behalf
-> > >> -> -> -> -> Of
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:20 PM
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> Subject: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> > >> -> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> All Elite kits have been delivered with an airbox
-> > >> that fits an
-> > >> -> 360
-> > >> -> -> -> carb
-> > >> -> -> -> -> but
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> the
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> airfilter is to small. I can't remeber the name
-> > >> of the person
-> > >> -> that
-> > >> -> -> I
-> > >> -> -> -> -> spoke
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> to at
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> Bracket but I was told that an 0-360 needs a
-> > >> minimum of
-> > >> 27
-> > >> -> -> square
-> > >> -> -> -> -> inchs of
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> filter surface. If the supplied airbox is used it
-> > >> will fail in
-> > >> -> -> about
-> > >> -> -> -> 25
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> hours of
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> use this is do to the carb heat door vibrating
-> > >> from the engine
-> > >> -> -> trying
-> > >> -> -> -> to
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> draw
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> air from the back side of the door. The first
-> > >> Elite I built for
-> > >> -> Bob
-> > >> -> -> -> Fry
-> > >> -> -> -> -> had
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> the
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> standard filter and ran like crap at full power
-> > >> while belching
-> > >> -> -> black
-> > >> -> -> -> -> smoke.
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> Pulling the filter resulted in almost 200 RPM
-> > >> increase at full
-> > >> -> -> -> throttle.
-> > >> -> -> -> -> I
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> modified the box for a larger filter (not easy)
-> > >> now I just put
-> > >> -> Vans
-> > >> -> -> -> air
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> filters
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> on and get it over with. Bob's plane is
-> > running a
-> > >> 76-56 prop
-> > >> -> and
-> > >> -> -> -> pulled
-> > >> -> -> -> -> 2460
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> static at an OAT of about 90 this past summer.
-> > >> Bob cruises
-> > >> at
-> > >> -> 103
-> > >> -> -> kts.
-> > >> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> at
-> > >> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> 2480. This is an XP-360 with one Lightspeed. And
-> > >> it is still
-> > >> for
-> > >> -> -> sale
-> > >> -> -> -> -> take
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> advantage of the Canuck Buck and buy it today
-> > >> -> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> Sean White
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[Robert Andrews]

Just curious, are this pics of a rebel cowl modified to work with a VANS air
box?

www.aacnet.com/elite/cowl-1.jpg

www.aacnet.com/elite/cowl-3.jpg

Bob 612e

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
WALTER KLATT
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 2:37 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter


Yes, they are. Email me offline if you want to sell it.

Walter

----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Johnson <bestofbo@cogeco.ca>
Date: Friday, October 12, 2007 2:01 pm
Subject: Re: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com

Hi Walter: I have a dynafocal mount for an O320 - are they the
same?? Bob J
----- Original Message -----
From: "WALTER KLATT" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter

Sounds very good.

Now I also need a new speed cowl and a dynafocal mount. Anyone

have one of

these they don't need?

Walter

----- Original Message -----
From: kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
Date: Friday, October 12, 2007 12:57 pm
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com

It does come with all the bits to assemble the door but you will
need a 2"
flange to attach the scat hose to your heat muff. Vans also
includes a
alternate air door kit to bypass the filter as the normal setup
filters both
warm and cold air. The original bypass door was held close by a
magnet and
was to open itself if the filter plugged but was found to open
when ever it
felt like it. They now have a cable operated door in its place.
You do not have
to install this door if you are not flying in heavy snow or
freezing rain as it is
olny there in case you pack the air filter full of ice and snow
important if you
fly a lot of IFR. If you are ever in dought just pull the carb
heat on as it is
also filtered you can even use it on the ground.

Sean
On 10/12/2007 10:18 AM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-

builders:>>

-> Does it come with the carb heat gate or is this separate?
->
-> Walter
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On
Behalf
Of
-> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 7:29 PM
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
->
-> Vans P/N FAB-360/540 fits all 0-360 with a carb
->
-> Sean
->
-> On 10/11/2007 12:42 PM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to

rebel-

builders:->
-> -> Sean,
-> ->
-> -> The VAN's website shows a few air boxes for O-360's.
Which one did
you
-> -> use? ... and was there any issues in rigging up carb heat?
-> ->
-> -> Bob 612e
-> ->
-> -> Original Message:
-> -> -----------------
-> -> From: kitplane_solutionsol.com
-> -> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:32:23 -0900
-> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> No you must cut out the blade openings to many differents
blades for
one
-> -> cut out
-> -> Sean
-> ->
-> -> On 10/11/2007 4:39 AM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to

rebel-

builders:
-> ->
-> -> -> So these are fiberglass spinners? Are the blade cut-
outs done?
-> -> ->
-> -> -> Walter
-> -> ->
-> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On
-> Behalf
-> -> Of
-> -> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:35 PM
-> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> -> ->
-> -> -> The vans bulkheads are prepunched for the prop bolts
but you
need to
-> -> put
-> -> -> the dome attach scerws in this is easy beause you can
see right
-> through
-> -> the
-> -> -> fiberglass spinner to drill the holes
-> -> ->
-> -> -> Sean
-> -> ->
-> -> ->
-> -> -> 10/10/2007 5:26 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to

rebel-

builders:-> -> ->
-> -> -> -> Do the Vans spinners come all cut out and holes
drilled for prop
-> -> bolts?
-> -> -> My
-> -> -> -> last one I did from scratch with the Murphy kit, and
it was a lot
-> of
-> -> -> work. I
-> -> -> -> was happy with the final result, but like I said, I
am getting real
-> -> lazy
-> -> -> now
-> -> -> -> the second time around, and just want to get it back
in the air
-> ASAP.
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> Walter
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> -> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]
On
-> -> Behalf
-> -> -> Of
-> -> -> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> -> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:24 PM
-> -> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> -> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> Hi Walter
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> The Vans airbox for the 360 carb or up draft fuel
injection will
-> -> work. It
-> -> -> -> needs
-> -> -> -> a little trim and a bit of glass work but will fit
the Murphy cowl
-> -> I've
-> -> -> done
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> three of them now and they seem to hang together
just fine. I
also
-> -> use
-> -> -> Vans
-> -> -> -> tThrottle bracket and spinners they are really nice
and are a very
-> -> good
-> -> -> -> price
-> -> -> -> also. I joke that all of the planes that I build
have a Van-Murphy
-> -> fire
-> -> -> wall
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> forward package
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> Sean
-> -> -> -> On 10/10/2007 4:02 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to
rebel-
-> builders:
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> You mention Van's air filters. Does Van's sell a
carb heat box
-> for
-> -> the
-> -> -> -> 360
-> -> -> -> -> that would fit the Murphy cowl and what would the
part
number
-> -> be? I
-> -> -> -> have
-> -> -> -> -> their catalogue, but couldn't find that item.
-> -> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> Also I am thinking of taking the lazy route and
buying Van's
-> -> baffles,
-> -> -> -> too.
-> -> -> -> -> The ones for the RV 6, 7, et al are part number
BAF-6-360.
Are
-> -> these
-> -> -> the
-> -> -> -> -> right ones?
-> -> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> Also, where is the best place to get a good
stainless steel
-> exhaust
-> -> -> for
-> -> -> -> the
-> -> -> -> -> 360? I assume it is probably the same as for

the 320?

-> -> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> Walter
-> -> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> -> -> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]
-> On
-> -> -> Behalf
-> -> -> -> Of
-> -> -> -> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> -> -> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:20 PM
-> -> -> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> -> -> -> Subject: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> -> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> All Elite kits have been delivered with an airbox
that fits an
-> 360
-> -> -> carb
-> -> -> -> but
-> -> -> -> -> the
-> -> -> -> -> airfilter is to small. I can't remeber the name
of the person
-> that
-> -> I
-> -> -> -> spoke
-> -> -> -> -> to at
-> -> -> -> -> Bracket but I was told that an 0-360 needs a
minimum of
27
-> -> square
-> -> -> -> inchs of
-> -> -> -> -> filter surface. If the supplied airbox is used it
will fail in
-> -> about
-> -> -> 25
-> -> -> -> -> hours of
-> -> -> -> -> use this is do to the carb heat door vibrating
from the engine
-> -> trying
-> -> -> to
-> -> -> -> -> draw
-> -> -> -> -> air from the back side of the door. The first
Elite I built for
-> Bob
-> -> -> Fry
-> -> -> -> had
-> -> -> -> -> the
-> -> -> -> -> standard filter and ran like crap at full power
while belching
-> -> black
-> -> -> -> smoke.
-> -> -> -> -> Pulling the filter resulted in almost 200 RPM
increase at full
-> -> -> throttle.
-> -> -> -> I
-> -> -> -> -> modified the box for a larger filter (not easy)
now I just put
-> Vans
-> -> -> air
-> -> -> -> -> filters
-> -> -> -> -> on and get it over with. Bob's plane is

running a

76-56 prop
-> and
-> -> -> pulled
-> -> -> -> 2460
-> -> -> -> -> static at an OAT of about 90 this past summer.
Bob cruises
at
-> 103
-> -> kts.
-> -> ->
-> -> -> at
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> 2480. This is an XP-360 with one Lightspeed. And
it is still
for
-> -> sale
-> -> -> -> take
-> -> -> -> -> advantage of the Canuck Buck and buy it today
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[Walter Klatt]

Does it come with the carb heat gate or is this separate?

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 7:29 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter

Vans P/N FAB-360/540 fits all 0-360 with a carb

Sean

On 10/11/2007 12:42 PM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Sean,
->
-> The VAN's website shows a few air boxes for O-360's. Which one did you
-> use? ... and was there any issues in rigging up carb heat?
->
-> Bob 612e
->
-> Original Message:
-> -----------------
-> From: kitplane_solutionsol.com
-> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:32:23 -0900
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
->
->
-> No you must cut out the blade openings to many differents blades for one
-> cut out
-> Sean
->
-> On 10/11/2007 4:39 AM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-builders:
->
-> -> So these are fiberglass spinners? Are the blade cut-outs done?
-> ->
-> -> Walter
-> ->
-> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On
Behalf
-> Of
-> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:35 PM
-> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> ->
-> -> The vans bulkheads are prepunched for the prop bolts but you need to
-> put
-> -> the dome attach scerws in this is easy beause you can see right
through
-> the
-> -> fiberglass spinner to drill the holes
-> ->
-> -> Sean
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> 10/10/2007 5:26 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-builders:
-> ->
-> -> -> Do the Vans spinners come all cut out and holes drilled for prop
-> bolts?
-> -> My
-> -> -> last one I did from scratch with the Murphy kit, and it was a lot
of
-> -> work. I
-> -> -> was happy with the final result, but like I said, I am getting real
-> lazy
-> -> now
-> -> -> the second time around, and just want to get it back in the air
ASAP.
-> -> ->
-> -> -> Walter
-> -> ->
-> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On
-> Behalf
-> -> Of
-> -> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:24 PM
-> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> -> ->
-> -> -> Hi Walter
-> -> ->
-> -> -> The Vans airbox for the 360 carb or up draft fuel injection will
-> work. It
-> -> -> needs
-> -> -> a little trim and a bit of glass work but will fit the Murphy cowl
-> I've
-> -> done
-> -> ->
-> -> -> three of them now and they seem to hang together just fine. I also
-> use
-> -> Vans
-> -> -> tThrottle bracket and spinners they are really nice and are a very
-> good
-> -> -> price
-> -> -> also. I joke that all of the planes that I build have a Van-Murphy
-> fire
-> -> wall
-> -> ->
-> -> -> forward package
-> -> ->
-> -> -> Sean
-> -> -> On 10/10/2007 4:02 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-
builders:
-> -> ->
-> -> -> -> You mention Van's air filters. Does Van's sell a carb heat box
for
-> the
-> -> -> 360
-> -> -> -> that would fit the Murphy cowl and what would the part number
-> be? I
-> -> -> have
-> -> -> -> their catalogue, but couldn't find that item.
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> Also I am thinking of taking the lazy route and buying Van's
-> baffles,
-> -> -> too.
-> -> -> -> The ones for the RV 6, 7, et al are part number BAF-6-360. Are
-> these
-> -> the
-> -> -> -> right ones?
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> Also, where is the best place to get a good stainless steel
exhaust
-> -> for
-> -> -> the
-> -> -> -> 360? I assume it is probably the same as for the 320?
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> Walter
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> -> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]
On
-> -> Behalf
-> -> -> Of
-> -> -> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> -> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:20 PM
-> -> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> -> -> Subject: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> All Elite kits have been delivered with an airbox that fits an
360
-> -> carb
-> -> -> but
-> -> -> -> the
-> -> -> -> airfilter is to small. I can't remeber the name of the person
that
-> I
-> -> -> spoke
-> -> -> -> to at
-> -> -> -> Bracket but I was told that an 0-360 needs a minimum of 27
-> square
-> -> -> inchs of
-> -> -> -> filter surface. If the supplied airbox is used it will fail in
-> about
-> -> 25
-> -> -> -> hours of
-> -> -> -> use this is do to the carb heat door vibrating from the engine
-> trying
-> -> to
-> -> -> -> draw
-> -> -> -> air from the back side of the door. The first Elite I built for
Bob
-> -> Fry
-> -> -> had
-> -> -> -> the
-> -> -> -> standard filter and ran like crap at full power while belching
-> black
-> -> -> smoke.
-> -> -> -> Pulling the filter resulted in almost 200 RPM increase at full
-> -> throttle.
-> -> -> I
-> -> -> -> modified the box for a larger filter (not easy) now I just put
Vans
-> -> air
-> -> -> -> filters
-> -> -> -> on and get it over with. Bob's plane is running a 76-56 prop
and
-> -> pulled
-> -> -> 2460
-> -> -> -> static at an OAT of about 90 this past summer. Bob cruises at
103
-> kts.
-> ->
-> -> at
-> -> ->
-> -> -> -> 2480. This is an XP-360 with one Lightspeed. And it is still for
-> sale
-> -> -> take
-> -> -> -> advantage of the Canuck Buck and buy it today
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> Sean White
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> ->
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[kitplane_solutions]

It does come with all the bits to assemble the door but you will need a 2"
flange to attach the scat hose to your heat muff. Vans also includes a
alternate air door kit to bypass the filter as the normal setup filters both
warm and cold air. The original bypass door was held close by a magnet and
was to open itself if the filter plugged but was found to open when ever it
felt like it. They now have a cable operated door in its place. You do not have
to install this door if you are not flying in heavy snow or freezing rain as it is
olny there in case you pack the air filter full of ice and snow important if you
fly a lot of IFR. If you are ever in dought just pull the carb heat on as it is
also filtered you can even use it on the ground.

Sean
On 10/12/2007 10:18 AM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Does it come with the carb heat gate or is this separate?
->
-> Walter
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf
Of
-> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 7:29 PM
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
->
-> Vans P/N FAB-360/540 fits all 0-360 with a carb
->
-> Sean
->
-> On 10/11/2007 12:42 PM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:
->
-> -> Sean,
-> ->
-> -> The VAN's website shows a few air boxes for O-360's. Which one did
you
-> -> use? ... and was there any issues in rigging up carb heat?
-> ->
-> -> Bob 612e
-> ->
-> -> Original Message:
-> -> -----------------
-> -> From: kitplane_solutionsol.com
-> -> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:32:23 -0900
-> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> No you must cut out the blade openings to many differents blades for
one
-> -> cut out
-> -> Sean
-> ->
-> -> On 10/11/2007 4:39 AM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-
builders:
-> ->
-> -> -> So these are fiberglass spinners? Are the blade cut-outs done?
-> -> ->
-> -> -> Walter
-> -> ->
-> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On
-> Behalf
-> -> Of
-> -> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:35 PM
-> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> -> ->
-> -> -> The vans bulkheads are prepunched for the prop bolts but you
need to
-> -> put
-> -> -> the dome attach scerws in this is easy beause you can see right
-> through
-> -> the
-> -> -> fiberglass spinner to drill the holes
-> -> ->
-> -> -> Sean
-> -> ->
-> -> ->
-> -> -> 10/10/2007 5:26 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-builders:
-> -> ->
-> -> -> -> Do the Vans spinners come all cut out and holes drilled for prop
-> -> bolts?
-> -> -> My
-> -> -> -> last one I did from scratch with the Murphy kit, and it was a lot
-> of
-> -> -> work. I
-> -> -> -> was happy with the final result, but like I said, I am getting real
-> -> lazy
-> -> -> now
-> -> -> -> the second time around, and just want to get it back in the air
-> ASAP.
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> Walter
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> -> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]
On
-> -> Behalf
-> -> -> Of
-> -> -> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> -> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:24 PM
-> -> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> -> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> Hi Walter
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> The Vans airbox for the 360 carb or up draft fuel injection will
-> -> work. It
-> -> -> -> needs
-> -> -> -> a little trim and a bit of glass work but will fit the Murphy cowl
-> -> I've
-> -> -> done
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> three of them now and they seem to hang together just fine. I
also
-> -> use
-> -> -> Vans
-> -> -> -> tThrottle bracket and spinners they are really nice and are a very
-> -> good
-> -> -> -> price
-> -> -> -> also. I joke that all of the planes that I build have a Van-Murphy
-> -> fire
-> -> -> wall
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> forward package
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> Sean
-> -> -> -> On 10/10/2007 4:02 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-
-> builders:
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> You mention Van's air filters. Does Van's sell a carb heat box
-> for
-> -> the
-> -> -> -> 360
-> -> -> -> -> that would fit the Murphy cowl and what would the part
number
-> -> be? I
-> -> -> -> have
-> -> -> -> -> their catalogue, but couldn't find that item.
-> -> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> Also I am thinking of taking the lazy route and buying Van's
-> -> baffles,
-> -> -> -> too.
-> -> -> -> -> The ones for the RV 6, 7, et al are part number BAF-6-360.
Are
-> -> these
-> -> -> the
-> -> -> -> -> right ones?
-> -> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> Also, where is the best place to get a good stainless steel
-> exhaust
-> -> -> for
-> -> -> -> the
-> -> -> -> -> 360? I assume it is probably the same as for the 320?
-> -> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> Walter
-> -> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> -> -> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]
-> On
-> -> -> Behalf
-> -> -> -> Of
-> -> -> -> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> -> -> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:20 PM
-> -> -> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> -> -> -> Subject: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> -> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> All Elite kits have been delivered with an airbox that fits an
-> 360
-> -> -> carb
-> -> -> -> but
-> -> -> -> -> the
-> -> -> -> -> airfilter is to small. I can't remeber the name of the person
-> that
-> -> I
-> -> -> -> spoke
-> -> -> -> -> to at
-> -> -> -> -> Bracket but I was told that an 0-360 needs a minimum of
27
-> -> square
-> -> -> -> inchs of
-> -> -> -> -> filter surface. If the supplied airbox is used it will fail in
-> -> about
-> -> -> 25
-> -> -> -> -> hours of
-> -> -> -> -> use this is do to the carb heat door vibrating from the engine
-> -> trying
-> -> -> to
-> -> -> -> -> draw
-> -> -> -> -> air from the back side of the door. The first Elite I built for
-> Bob
-> -> -> Fry
-> -> -> -> had
-> -> -> -> -> the
-> -> -> -> -> standard filter and ran like crap at full power while belching
-> -> black
-> -> -> -> smoke.
-> -> -> -> -> Pulling the filter resulted in almost 200 RPM increase at full
-> -> -> throttle.
-> -> -> -> I
-> -> -> -> -> modified the box for a larger filter (not easy) now I just put
-> Vans
-> -> -> air
-> -> -> -> -> filters
-> -> -> -> -> on and get it over with. Bob's plane is running a 76-56 prop
-> and
-> -> -> pulled
-> -> -> -> 2460
-> -> -> -> -> static at an OAT of about 90 this past summer. Bob cruises
at
-> 103
-> -> kts.
-> -> ->
-> -> -> at
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> 2480. This is an XP-360 with one Lightspeed. And it is still
for
-> -> sale
-> -> -> -> take
-> -> -> -> -> advantage of the Canuck Buck and buy it today
-> -> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> Sean White
-> -> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> ->
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[WALTER KLATT]

Sounds very good.

Now I also need a new speed cowl and a dynafocal mount. Anyone have one of these they don't need?

Walter

----- Original Message -----
From: kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
Date: Friday, October 12, 2007 12:57 pm
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com

It does come with all the bits to assemble the door but you will
need a 2"
flange to attach the scat hose to your heat muff. Vans also
includes a
alternate air door kit to bypass the filter as the normal setup
filters both
warm and cold air. The original bypass door was held close by a
magnet and
was to open itself if the filter plugged but was found to open
when ever it
felt like it. They now have a cable operated door in its place.
You do not have
to install this door if you are not flying in heavy snow or
freezing rain as it is
olny there in case you pack the air filter full of ice and snow
important if you
fly a lot of IFR. If you are ever in dought just pull the carb
heat on as it is
also filtered you can even use it on the ground.

Sean
On 10/12/2007 10:18 AM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Does it come with the carb heat gate or is this separate?
->
-> Walter
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On
Behalf
Of
-> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 7:29 PM
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
->
-> Vans P/N FAB-360/540 fits all 0-360 with a carb
->
-> Sean
->
-> On 10/11/2007 12:42 PM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-
builders:->
-> -> Sean,
-> ->
-> -> The VAN's website shows a few air boxes for O-360's.
Which one did
you
-> -> use? ... and was there any issues in rigging up carb heat?
-> ->
-> -> Bob 612e
-> ->
-> -> Original Message:
-> -> -----------------
-> -> From: kitplane_solutionsol.com
-> -> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:32:23 -0900
-> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> No you must cut out the blade openings to many differents
blades for
one
-> -> cut out
-> -> Sean
-> ->
-> -> On 10/11/2007 4:39 AM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-
builders:
-> ->
-> -> -> So these are fiberglass spinners? Are the blade cut-
outs done?
-> -> ->
-> -> -> Walter
-> -> ->
-> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On
-> Behalf
-> -> Of
-> -> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:35 PM
-> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> -> ->
-> -> -> The vans bulkheads are prepunched for the prop bolts
but you
need to
-> -> put
-> -> -> the dome attach scerws in this is easy beause you can
see right
-> through
-> -> the
-> -> -> fiberglass spinner to drill the holes
-> -> ->
-> -> -> Sean
-> -> ->
-> -> ->
-> -> -> 10/10/2007 5:26 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-
builders:-> -> ->
-> -> -> -> Do the Vans spinners come all cut out and holes
drilled for prop
-> -> bolts?
-> -> -> My
-> -> -> -> last one I did from scratch with the Murphy kit, and
it was a lot
-> of
-> -> -> work. I
-> -> -> -> was happy with the final result, but like I said, I
am getting real
-> -> lazy
-> -> -> now
-> -> -> -> the second time around, and just want to get it back
in the air
-> ASAP.
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> Walter
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> -> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]
On
-> -> Behalf
-> -> -> Of
-> -> -> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> -> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:24 PM
-> -> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> -> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> Hi Walter
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> The Vans airbox for the 360 carb or up draft fuel
injection will
-> -> work. It
-> -> -> -> needs
-> -> -> -> a little trim and a bit of glass work but will fit
the Murphy cowl
-> -> I've
-> -> -> done
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> three of them now and they seem to hang together
just fine. I
also
-> -> use
-> -> -> Vans
-> -> -> -> tThrottle bracket and spinners they are really nice
and are a very
-> -> good
-> -> -> -> price
-> -> -> -> also. I joke that all of the planes that I build
have a Van-Murphy
-> -> fire
-> -> -> wall
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> forward package
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> Sean
-> -> -> -> On 10/10/2007 4:02 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to
rebel-
-> builders:
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> You mention Van's air filters. Does Van's sell a
carb heat box
-> for
-> -> the
-> -> -> -> 360
-> -> -> -> -> that would fit the Murphy cowl and what would the
part
number
-> -> be? I
-> -> -> -> have
-> -> -> -> -> their catalogue, but couldn't find that item.
-> -> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> Also I am thinking of taking the lazy route and
buying Van's
-> -> baffles,
-> -> -> -> too.
-> -> -> -> -> The ones for the RV 6, 7, et al are part number
BAF-6-360.
Are
-> -> these
-> -> -> the
-> -> -> -> -> right ones?
-> -> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> Also, where is the best place to get a good
stainless steel
-> exhaust
-> -> -> for
-> -> -> -> the
-> -> -> -> -> 360? I assume it is probably the same as for the 320?
-> -> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> Walter
-> -> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> -> -> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]
-> On
-> -> -> Behalf
-> -> -> -> Of
-> -> -> -> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> -> -> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:20 PM
-> -> -> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> -> -> -> Subject: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> -> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> All Elite kits have been delivered with an airbox
that fits an
-> 360
-> -> -> carb
-> -> -> -> but
-> -> -> -> -> the
-> -> -> -> -> airfilter is to small. I can't remeber the name
of the person
-> that
-> -> I
-> -> -> -> spoke
-> -> -> -> -> to at
-> -> -> -> -> Bracket but I was told that an 0-360 needs a
minimum of
27
-> -> square
-> -> -> -> inchs of
-> -> -> -> -> filter surface. If the supplied airbox is used it
will fail in
-> -> about
-> -> -> 25
-> -> -> -> -> hours of
-> -> -> -> -> use this is do to the carb heat door vibrating
from the engine
-> -> trying
-> -> -> to
-> -> -> -> -> draw
-> -> -> -> -> air from the back side of the door. The first
Elite I built for
-> Bob
-> -> -> Fry
-> -> -> -> had
-> -> -> -> -> the
-> -> -> -> -> standard filter and ran like crap at full power
while belching
-> -> black
-> -> -> -> smoke.
-> -> -> -> -> Pulling the filter resulted in almost 200 RPM
increase at full
-> -> -> throttle.
-> -> -> -> I
-> -> -> -> -> modified the box for a larger filter (not easy)
now I just put
-> Vans
-> -> -> air
-> -> -> -> -> filters
-> -> -> -> -> on and get it over with. Bob's plane is running a
76-56 prop
-> and
-> -> -> pulled
-> -> -> -> 2460
-> -> -> -> -> static at an OAT of about 90 this past summer.
Bob cruises
at
-> 103
-> -> kts.
-> -> ->
-> -> -> at
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> 2480. This is an XP-360 with one Lightspeed. And
it is still
for
-> -> sale
-> -> -> -> take
-> -> -> -> -> advantage of the Canuck Buck and buy it today
-> -> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> Sean White
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[Robert Johnson]

Hi Walter: I have a dynafocal mount for an O320 - are they the same?? Bob J
----- Original Message -----
From: "WALTER KLATT" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter

Sounds very good.

Now I also need a new speed cowl and a dynafocal mount. Anyone have one of
these they don't need?

Walter

----- Original Message -----
From: kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
Date: Friday, October 12, 2007 12:57 pm
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com

It does come with all the bits to assemble the door but you will
need a 2"
flange to attach the scat hose to your heat muff. Vans also
includes a
alternate air door kit to bypass the filter as the normal setup
filters both
warm and cold air. The original bypass door was held close by a
magnet and
was to open itself if the filter plugged but was found to open
when ever it
felt like it. They now have a cable operated door in its place.
You do not have
to install this door if you are not flying in heavy snow or
freezing rain as it is
olny there in case you pack the air filter full of ice and snow
important if you
fly a lot of IFR. If you are ever in dought just pull the carb
heat on as it is
also filtered you can even use it on the ground.

Sean
On 10/12/2007 10:18 AM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-builders:

-> Does it come with the carb heat gate or is this separate?
->
-> Walter
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On
Behalf
Of
-> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 7:29 PM
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
->
-> Vans P/N FAB-360/540 fits all 0-360 with a carb
->
-> Sean
->
-> On 10/11/2007 12:42 PM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-
builders:->
-> -> Sean,
-> ->
-> -> The VAN's website shows a few air boxes for O-360's.
Which one did
you
-> -> use? ... and was there any issues in rigging up carb heat?
-> ->
-> -> Bob 612e
-> ->
-> -> Original Message:
-> -> -----------------
-> -> From: kitplane_solutionsol.com
-> -> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:32:23 -0900
-> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> No you must cut out the blade openings to many differents
blades for
one
-> -> cut out
-> -> Sean
-> ->
-> -> On 10/11/2007 4:39 AM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-
builders:
-> ->
-> -> -> So these are fiberglass spinners? Are the blade cut-
outs done?
-> -> ->
-> -> -> Walter
-> -> ->
-> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On
-> Behalf
-> -> Of
-> -> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:35 PM
-> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> -> ->
-> -> -> The vans bulkheads are prepunched for the prop bolts
but you
need to
-> -> put
-> -> -> the dome attach scerws in this is easy beause you can
see right
-> through
-> -> the
-> -> -> fiberglass spinner to drill the holes
-> -> ->
-> -> -> Sean
-> -> ->
-> -> ->
-> -> -> 10/10/2007 5:26 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-
builders:-> -> ->
-> -> -> -> Do the Vans spinners come all cut out and holes
drilled for prop
-> -> bolts?
-> -> -> My
-> -> -> -> last one I did from scratch with the Murphy kit, and
it was a lot
-> of
-> -> -> work. I
-> -> -> -> was happy with the final result, but like I said, I
am getting real
-> -> lazy
-> -> -> now
-> -> -> -> the second time around, and just want to get it back
in the air
-> ASAP.
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> Walter
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> -> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]
On
-> -> Behalf
-> -> -> Of
-> -> -> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> -> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:24 PM
-> -> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> -> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> Hi Walter
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> The Vans airbox for the 360 carb or up draft fuel
injection will
-> -> work. It
-> -> -> -> needs
-> -> -> -> a little trim and a bit of glass work but will fit
the Murphy cowl
-> -> I've
-> -> -> done
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> three of them now and they seem to hang together
just fine. I
also
-> -> use
-> -> -> Vans
-> -> -> -> tThrottle bracket and spinners they are really nice
and are a very
-> -> good
-> -> -> -> price
-> -> -> -> also. I joke that all of the planes that I build
have a Van-Murphy
-> -> fire
-> -> -> wall
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> forward package
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> Sean
-> -> -> -> On 10/10/2007 4:02 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to
rebel-
-> builders:
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> You mention Van's air filters. Does Van's sell a
carb heat box
-> for
-> -> the
-> -> -> -> 360
-> -> -> -> -> that would fit the Murphy cowl and what would the
part
number
-> -> be? I
-> -> -> -> have
-> -> -> -> -> their catalogue, but couldn't find that item.
-> -> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> Also I am thinking of taking the lazy route and
buying Van's
-> -> baffles,
-> -> -> -> too.
-> -> -> -> -> The ones for the RV 6, 7, et al are part number
BAF-6-360.
Are
-> -> these
-> -> -> the
-> -> -> -> -> right ones?
-> -> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> Also, where is the best place to get a good
stainless steel
-> exhaust
-> -> -> for
-> -> -> -> the
-> -> -> -> -> 360? I assume it is probably the same as for the 320?
-> -> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> Walter
-> -> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> -> -> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]
-> On
-> -> -> Behalf
-> -> -> -> Of
-> -> -> -> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> -> -> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:20 PM
-> -> -> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> -> -> -> Subject: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> -> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> All Elite kits have been delivered with an airbox
that fits an
-> 360
-> -> -> carb
-> -> -> -> but
-> -> -> -> -> the
-> -> -> -> -> airfilter is to small. I can't remeber the name
of the person
-> that
-> -> I
-> -> -> -> spoke
-> -> -> -> -> to at
-> -> -> -> -> Bracket but I was told that an 0-360 needs a
minimum of
27
-> -> square
-> -> -> -> inchs of
-> -> -> -> -> filter surface. If the supplied airbox is used it
will fail in
-> -> about
-> -> -> 25
-> -> -> -> -> hours of
-> -> -> -> -> use this is do to the carb heat door vibrating
from the engine
-> -> trying
-> -> -> to
-> -> -> -> -> draw
-> -> -> -> -> air from the back side of the door. The first
Elite I built for
-> Bob
-> -> -> Fry
-> -> -> -> had
-> -> -> -> -> the
-> -> -> -> -> standard filter and ran like crap at full power
while belching
-> -> black
-> -> -> -> smoke.
-> -> -> -> -> Pulling the filter resulted in almost 200 RPM
increase at full
-> -> -> throttle.
-> -> -> -> I
-> -> -> -> -> modified the box for a larger filter (not easy)
now I just put
-> Vans
-> -> -> air
-> -> -> -> -> filters
-> -> -> -> -> on and get it over with. Bob's plane is running a
76-56 prop
-> and
-> -> -> pulled
-> -> -> -> 2460
-> -> -> -> -> static at an OAT of about 90 this past summer.
Bob cruises
at
-> 103
-> -> kts.
-> -> ->
-> -> -> at
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> 2480. This is an XP-360 with one Lightspeed. And
it is still
for
-> -> sale
-> -> -> -> take
-> -> -> -> -> advantage of the Canuck Buck and buy it today
-> -> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> Sean White
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[WALTER KLATT]

Yes, they are. Email me offline if you want to sell it.

Walter

----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Johnson <bestofbo@cogeco.ca>
Date: Friday, October 12, 2007 2:01 pm
Subject: Re: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com

Hi Walter: I have a dynafocal mount for an O320 - are they the
same?? Bob J
----- Original Message -----
From: "WALTER KLATT" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter

Sounds very good.

Now I also need a new speed cowl and a dynafocal mount. Anyone

have one of

these they don't need?

Walter

----- Original Message -----
From: kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
Date: Friday, October 12, 2007 12:57 pm
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com

It does come with all the bits to assemble the door but you will
need a 2"
flange to attach the scat hose to your heat muff. Vans also
includes a
alternate air door kit to bypass the filter as the normal setup
filters both
warm and cold air. The original bypass door was held close by a
magnet and
was to open itself if the filter plugged but was found to open
when ever it
felt like it. They now have a cable operated door in its place.
You do not have
to install this door if you are not flying in heavy snow or
freezing rain as it is
olny there in case you pack the air filter full of ice and snow
important if you
fly a lot of IFR. If you are ever in dought just pull the carb
heat on as it is
also filtered you can even use it on the ground.

Sean
On 10/12/2007 10:18 AM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-

builders:>>

-> Does it come with the carb heat gate or is this separate?
->
-> Walter
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On
Behalf
Of
-> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 7:29 PM
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
->
-> Vans P/N FAB-360/540 fits all 0-360 with a carb
->
-> Sean
->
-> On 10/11/2007 12:42 PM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to

rebel-

builders:->
-> -> Sean,
-> ->
-> -> The VAN's website shows a few air boxes for O-360's.
Which one did
you
-> -> use? ... and was there any issues in rigging up carb heat?
-> ->
-> -> Bob 612e
-> ->
-> -> Original Message:
-> -> -----------------
-> -> From: kitplane_solutionsol.com
-> -> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:32:23 -0900
-> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> ->
-> ->
-> -> No you must cut out the blade openings to many differents
blades for
one
-> -> cut out
-> -> Sean
-> ->
-> -> On 10/11/2007 4:39 AM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to

rebel-

builders:
-> ->
-> -> -> So these are fiberglass spinners? Are the blade cut-
outs done?
-> -> ->
-> -> -> Walter
-> -> ->
-> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On
-> Behalf
-> -> Of
-> -> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:35 PM
-> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> -> ->
-> -> -> The vans bulkheads are prepunched for the prop bolts
but you
need to
-> -> put
-> -> -> the dome attach scerws in this is easy beause you can
see right
-> through
-> -> the
-> -> -> fiberglass spinner to drill the holes
-> -> ->
-> -> -> Sean
-> -> ->
-> -> ->
-> -> -> 10/10/2007 5:26 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to

rebel-

builders:-> -> ->
-> -> -> -> Do the Vans spinners come all cut out and holes
drilled for prop
-> -> bolts?
-> -> -> My
-> -> -> -> last one I did from scratch with the Murphy kit, and
it was a lot
-> of
-> -> -> work. I
-> -> -> -> was happy with the final result, but like I said, I
am getting real
-> -> lazy
-> -> -> now
-> -> -> -> the second time around, and just want to get it back
in the air
-> ASAP.
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> Walter
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> -> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]
On
-> -> Behalf
-> -> -> Of
-> -> -> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> -> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:24 PM
-> -> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> -> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> Hi Walter
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> The Vans airbox for the 360 carb or up draft fuel
injection will
-> -> work. It
-> -> -> -> needs
-> -> -> -> a little trim and a bit of glass work but will fit
the Murphy cowl
-> -> I've
-> -> -> done
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> three of them now and they seem to hang together
just fine. I
also
-> -> use
-> -> -> Vans
-> -> -> -> tThrottle bracket and spinners they are really nice
and are a very
-> -> good
-> -> -> -> price
-> -> -> -> also. I joke that all of the planes that I build
have a Van-Murphy
-> -> fire
-> -> -> wall
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> forward package
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> Sean
-> -> -> -> On 10/10/2007 4:02 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to
rebel-
-> builders:
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> You mention Van's air filters. Does Van's sell a
carb heat box
-> for
-> -> the
-> -> -> -> 360
-> -> -> -> -> that would fit the Murphy cowl and what would the
part
number
-> -> be? I
-> -> -> -> have
-> -> -> -> -> their catalogue, but couldn't find that item.
-> -> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> Also I am thinking of taking the lazy route and
buying Van's
-> -> baffles,
-> -> -> -> too.
-> -> -> -> -> The ones for the RV 6, 7, et al are part number
BAF-6-360.
Are
-> -> these
-> -> -> the
-> -> -> -> -> right ones?
-> -> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> Also, where is the best place to get a good
stainless steel
-> exhaust
-> -> -> for
-> -> -> -> the
-> -> -> -> -> 360? I assume it is probably the same as for

the 320?

-> -> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> Walter
-> -> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> -> -> -> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]
-> On
-> -> -> Behalf
-> -> -> -> Of
-> -> -> -> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> -> -> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:20 PM
-> -> -> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> -> -> -> -> Subject: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> -> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> All Elite kits have been delivered with an airbox
that fits an
-> 360
-> -> -> carb
-> -> -> -> but
-> -> -> -> -> the
-> -> -> -> -> airfilter is to small. I can't remeber the name
of the person
-> that
-> -> I
-> -> -> -> spoke
-> -> -> -> -> to at
-> -> -> -> -> Bracket but I was told that an 0-360 needs a
minimum of
27
-> -> square
-> -> -> -> inchs of
-> -> -> -> -> filter surface. If the supplied airbox is used it
will fail in
-> -> about
-> -> -> 25
-> -> -> -> -> hours of
-> -> -> -> -> use this is do to the carb heat door vibrating
from the engine
-> -> trying
-> -> -> to
-> -> -> -> -> draw
-> -> -> -> -> air from the back side of the door. The first
Elite I built for
-> Bob
-> -> -> Fry
-> -> -> -> had
-> -> -> -> -> the
-> -> -> -> -> standard filter and ran like crap at full power
while belching
-> -> black
-> -> -> -> smoke.
-> -> -> -> -> Pulling the filter resulted in almost 200 RPM
increase at full
-> -> -> throttle.
-> -> -> -> I
-> -> -> -> -> modified the box for a larger filter (not easy)
now I just put
-> Vans
-> -> -> air
-> -> -> -> -> filters
-> -> -> -> -> on and get it over with. Bob's plane is

running a

76-56 prop
-> and
-> -> -> pulled
-> -> -> -> 2460
-> -> -> -> -> static at an OAT of about 90 this past summer.
Bob cruises
at
-> 103
-> -> kts.
-> -> ->
-> -> -> at
-> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> 2480. This is an XP-360 with one Lightspeed. And
it is still
for
-> -> sale
-> -> -> -> take
-> -> -> -> -> advantage of the Canuck Buck and buy it today
-> -> -> -> ->
-> -> -> -> -> Sean White
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[Robert Andrews]

Thanks for uploading the pics Sean ... their worth 1000 words and more.
Looks like the air box inlet is bigger then would be for a VANS installation
... no mods to the lower cowl .. true?

Bob 612e



-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Robert Andrews
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 9:21 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter


Roger. Checked the archives for a picture of a VANS air box install ... no
joy. Any chance you could upload a few? Sean, your experience and lessons
learned with this is most appreciated.

Cheers, Bob 612e

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 9:45 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter


No that is a the original two piece Elite cowl that had a lot of rework done
around the air box. I have since figured out how to put the airbox in
without
an extra 50 hours of glass work but it sure looked cool

Sean

On 10/12/2007 4:22 PM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to rebel-builders:

->
-> Just curious, are this pics of a rebel cowl modified to work with a VANS
air
-> box?
->
-> www.aacnet.com/elite/cowl-1.jpg
->
-> www.aacnet.com/elite/cowl-3.jpg
->
-> Bob 612e
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
-> WALTER KLATT
-> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 2:37 PM
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: Re: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
->
->
-> Yes, they are. Email me offline if you want to sell it.
->
-> Walter
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: Robert Johnson <bestofbo@cogeco.ca>
-> Date: Friday, October 12, 2007 2:01 pm
-> Subject: Re: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
->
-> > Hi Walter: I have a dynafocal mount for an O320 - are they the
-> > same?? Bob J
-> > ----- Original Message -----
-> > From: "WALTER KLATT" <Walter.Klatt@shaw.ca>
-> > To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 4:37 PM
-> > Subject: Re: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> >
-> >
-> > > Sounds very good.
-> > >
-> > > Now I also need a new speed cowl and a dynafocal mount. Anyone
-> > have one of
-> > > these they don't need?
-> > >
-> > > Walter
-> > >
-> > > ----- Original Message -----
-> > > From: kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> > > Date: Friday, October 12, 2007 12:57 pm
-> > > Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> > > To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > >
-> > >> It does come with all the bits to assemble the door but you will
-> > >> need a 2"
-> > >> flange to attach the scat hose to your heat muff. Vans also
-> > >> includes a
-> > >> alternate air door kit to bypass the filter as the normal setup
-> > >> filters both
-> > >> warm and cold air. The original bypass door was held close by a
-> > >> magnet and
-> > >> was to open itself if the filter plugged but was found to open
-> > >> when ever it
-> > >> felt like it. They now have a cable operated door in its place.
-> > >> You do not have
-> > >> to install this door if you are not flying in heavy snow or
-> > >> freezing rain as it is
-> > >> olny there in case you pack the air filter full of ice and snow
-> > >> important if you
-> > >> fly a lot of IFR. If you are ever in dought just pull the carb
-> > >> heat on as it is
-> > >> also filtered you can even use it on the ground.
-> > >>
-> > >> Sean
-> > >> On 10/12/2007 10:18 AM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to rebel-
-> > builders:>>
-> > >> -> Does it come with the carb heat gate or is this separate?
-> > >> ->
-> > >> -> Walter
-> > >> ->
-> > >> -> -----Original Message-----
-> > >> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On
-> > >> Behalf
-> > >> Of
-> > >> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> > >> -> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 7:29 PM
-> > >> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > >> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> > >> ->
-> > >> -> Vans P/N FAB-360/540 fits all 0-360 with a carb
-> > >> ->
-> > >> -> Sean
-> > >> ->
-> > >> -> On 10/11/2007 12:42 PM, robert@montanasky.us wrote to
-> > rebel-
-> > >> builders:->
-> > >> -> -> Sean,
-> > >> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> The VAN's website shows a few air boxes for O-360's.
-> > >> Which one did
-> > >> you
-> > >> -> -> use? ... and was there any issues in rigging up carb heat?
-> > >> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> Bob 612e
-> > >> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> Original Message:
-> > >> -> -> -----------------
-> > >> -> -> From: kitplane_solutionsol.com
-> > >> -> -> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:32:23 -0900
-> > >> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > >> -> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> > >> -> ->
-> > >> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> No you must cut out the blade openings to many differents
-> > >> blades for
-> > >> one
-> > >> -> -> cut out
-> > >> -> -> Sean
-> > >> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> On 10/11/2007 4:39 AM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to
-> > rebel-
-> > >> builders:
-> > >> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> So these are fiberglass spinners? Are the blade cut-
-> > >> outs done?
-> > >> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> Walter
-> > >> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> > >> -> -> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-> > >> [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On
-> > >> -> Behalf
-> > >> -> -> Of
-> > >> -> -> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> > >> -> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:35 PM
-> > >> -> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > >> -> -> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> > >> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> The vans bulkheads are prepunched for the prop bolts
-> > >> but you
-> > >> need to
-> > >> -> -> put
-> > >> -> -> -> the dome attach scerws in this is easy beause you can
-> > >> see right
-> > >> -> through
-> > >> -> -> the
-> > >> -> -> -> fiberglass spinner to drill the holes
-> > >> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> Sean
-> > >> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> 10/10/2007 5:26 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote to
-> > rebel-
-> > >> builders:-> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> Do the Vans spinners come all cut out and holes
-> > >> drilled for prop
-> > >> -> -> bolts?
-> > >> -> -> -> My
-> > >> -> -> -> -> last one I did from scratch with the Murphy kit, and
-> > >> it was a lot
-> > >> -> of
-> > >> -> -> -> work. I
-> > >> -> -> -> -> was happy with the final result, but like I said, I
-> > >> am getting real
-> > >> -> -> lazy
-> > >> -> -> -> now
-> > >> -> -> -> -> the second time around, and just want to get it back
-> > >> in the air
-> > >> -> ASAP.
-> > >> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> Walter
-> > >> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> > >> -> -> -> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-> > >> [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]
-> > >> On
-> > >> -> -> Behalf
-> > >> -> -> -> Of
-> > >> -> -> -> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> > >> -> -> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:24 PM
-> > >> -> -> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > >> -> -> -> -> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> > >> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> Hi Walter
-> > >> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> The Vans airbox for the 360 carb or up draft fuel
-> > >> injection will
-> > >> -> -> work. It
-> > >> -> -> -> -> needs
-> > >> -> -> -> -> a little trim and a bit of glass work but will fit
-> > >> the Murphy cowl
-> > >> -> -> I've
-> > >> -> -> -> done
-> > >> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> three of them now and they seem to hang together
-> > >> just fine. I
-> > >> also
-> > >> -> -> use
-> > >> -> -> -> Vans
-> > >> -> -> -> -> tThrottle bracket and spinners they are really nice
-> > >> and are a very
-> > >> -> -> good
-> > >> -> -> -> -> price
-> > >> -> -> -> -> also. I joke that all of the planes that I build
-> > >> have a Van-Murphy
-> > >> -> -> fire
-> > >> -> -> -> wall
-> > >> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> forward package
-> > >> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> Sean
-> > >> -> -> -> -> On 10/10/2007 4:02 PM, walter.klatt@shaw.ca wrote
to
-> > >> rebel-
-> > >> -> builders:
-> > >> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> You mention Van's air filters. Does Van's sell a
-> > >> carb heat box
-> > >> -> for
-> > >> -> -> the
-> > >> -> -> -> -> 360
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> that would fit the Murphy cowl and what would the
-> > >> part
-> > >> number
-> > >> -> -> be? I
-> > >> -> -> -> -> have
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> their catalogue, but couldn't find that item.
-> > >> -> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> Also I am thinking of taking the lazy route and
-> > >> buying Van's
-> > >> -> -> baffles,
-> > >> -> -> -> -> too.
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> The ones for the RV 6, 7, et al are part number
-> > >> BAF-6-360.
-> > >> Are
-> > >> -> -> these
-> > >> -> -> -> the
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> right ones?
-> > >> -> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> Also, where is the best place to get a good
-> > >> stainless steel
-> > >> -> exhaust
-> > >> -> -> -> for
-> > >> -> -> -> -> the
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> 360? I assume it is probably the same as for
-> > the 320?
-> > >> -> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> Walter
-> > >> -> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> -----Original Message-----
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
-> > >> [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]
-> > >> -> On
-> > >> -> -> -> Behalf
-> > >> -> -> -> -> Of
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> kitplane_solutions@dcsol.com
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:20 PM
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> Subject: [rebel-builders] EliteProp&airfilter
-> > >> -> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> All Elite kits have been delivered with an airbox
-> > >> that fits an
-> > >> -> 360
-> > >> -> -> -> carb
-> > >> -> -> -> -> but
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> the
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> airfilter is to small. I can't remeber the name
-> > >> of the person
-> > >> -> that
-> > >> -> -> I
-> > >> -> -> -> -> spoke
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> to at
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> Bracket but I was told that an 0-360 needs a
-> > >> minimum of
-> > >> 27
-> > >> -> -> square
-> > >> -> -> -> -> inchs of
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> filter surface. If the supplied airbox is used it
-> > >> will fail in
-> > >> -> -> about
-> > >> -> -> -> 25
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> hours of
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> use this is do to the carb heat door vibrating
-> > >> from the engine
-> > >> -> -> trying
-> > >> -> -> -> to
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> draw
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> air from the back side of the door. The first
-> > >> Elite I built for
-> > >> -> Bob
-> > >> -> -> -> Fry
-> > >> -> -> -> -> had
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> the
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> standard filter and ran like crap at full power
-> > >> while belching
-> > >> -> -> black
-> > >> -> -> -> -> smoke.
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> Pulling the filter resulted in almost 200 RPM
-> > >> increase at full
-> > >> -> -> -> throttle.
-> > >> -> -> -> -> I
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> modified the box for a larger filter (not easy)
-> > >> now I just put
-> > >> -> Vans
-> > >> -> -> -> air
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> filters
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> on and get it over with. Bob's plane is
-> > running a
-> > >> 76-56 prop
-> > >> -> and
-> > >> -> -> -> pulled
-> > >> -> -> -> -> 2460
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> static at an OAT of about 90 this past summer.
-> > >> Bob cruises
-> > >> at
-> > >> -> 103
-> > >> -> -> kts.
-> > >> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> at
-> > >> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> 2480. This is an XP-360 with one Lightspeed. And
-> > >> it is still
-> > >> for
-> > >> -> -> sale
-> > >> -> -> -> -> take
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> advantage of the Canuck Buck and buy it today
-> > >> -> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> -> Sean White
-> > >> -> -> -> -> ->
-> > >> -> -> -> -> ->
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