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Bob Patterson

[rebel-builders] inner floor...

Post by Bob Patterson » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:30 am

Hi Jean !

ABSOLUTELY !!! It makes a box beam out of the lower fuselage,
and greatly increases strength !

The rear floor has been standard since the beginning - somehow,
a rumour started that it was optional, and unnecessary - NOT TRUE !!
There are a couple of Rebels flying without it - a close look will
show the errors in that choice !
.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Friday 03 March 2006 01:11 pm, Jean Poirier wrote:
Should I put a inner floor in rear fuselage area?

Except for sleeping.... For a structural purpose, is it a good thing?
...

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Post by jean.poirier » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:30 am

Thanks

JEan
On Fri Mar 3 14:45 , Bob Patterson <beep@sympatico.ca> sent:
Hi Jean !

ABSOLUTELY !!! It makes a box beam out of the lower fuselage,
and greatly increases strength !

The rear floor has been standard since the beginning - somehow,
a rumour started that it was optional, and unnecessary - NOT TRUE !!
There are a couple of Rebels flying without it - a close look will
show the errors in that choice !
.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
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Should I put a inner floor in rear fuselage area?

Except for sleeping.... For a structural purpose, is it a good thing?
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[rebel-builders] inner floor...

Post by Jim Cole » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:30 am

Actually Bob I think the rumour started with the manual.
The one I have says that if you're going Ultralight you can leave it out
- but I'm with you it's such a small weight increase that the structural
benefits would far out weigh the weight saving.

Cheers
Jim
Rebel 333

ps - just got the mark reserved from Transport Canada C-GWOC - it has a
special meaning for us
Wayne Ouellette Cole - Wayne started the kit and passed away last
March.



Bob Patterson wrote:
Hi Jean !

ABSOLUTELY !!! It makes a box beam out of the lower fuselage,
and greatly increases strength !

The rear floor has been standard since the beginning - somehow,
a rumour started that it was optional, and unnecessary - NOT TRUE !!
There are a couple of Rebels flying without it - a close look will
show the errors in that choice !
.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Friday 03 March 2006 01:11 pm, Jean Poirier wrote:

Should I put a inner floor in rear fuselage area?

Except for sleeping.... For a structural purpose, is it a good thing?
...

Jean
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Wayne G. O'Shea

[rebel-builders] inner floor...

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:30 am

Yes..as Jim points out the "rumour" is in the manual and it IS optional. I
haven't seen any concerns without it being back there in 912 powered
machines (rear floor skin/channels/corner wraps are not supplied by MAM for
"light" Rebels). However..that said... the rear floor makes for VERY easy
maintance, ELT access, battery access, pulley access etc. Gives you a place
to sleep if you end up weathered in on some back country lake as well. As
Bob points out it does add some strength...mainly from the inside corner
wraps strengthening things considerably. Hard landing loads however compress
the top Fus-70's (10's in the manual) and this remains the week point to
abuse whether the rear floor is in or not.

Nice marks Jim! Good to know the fella isn't forgotten!

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Cole" <jcole@rangroup.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] inner floor...

Actually Bob I think the rumour started with the manual.
The one I have says that if you're going Ultralight you can leave it out
- but I'm with you it's such a small weight increase that the structural
benefits would far out weigh the weight saving.

Cheers
Jim
Rebel 333

ps - just got the mark reserved from Transport Canada C-GWOC - it has a
special meaning for us
Wayne Ouellette Cole - Wayne started the kit and passed away last
March.



Bob Patterson wrote:
Hi Jean !

ABSOLUTELY !!! It makes a box beam out of the lower fuselage,
and greatly increases strength !

The rear floor has been standard since the beginning - somehow,
a rumour started that it was optional, and unnecessary - NOT TRUE !!
There are a couple of Rebels flying without it - a close look will
show the errors in that choice !
.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Friday 03 March 2006 01:11 pm, Jean Poirier wrote:

Should I put a inner floor in rear fuselage area?

Except for sleeping.... For a structural purpose, is it a good thing?
...

Jean
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Steven Sloan

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Post by Steven Sloan » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:30 am

Bob


What should we be looking for ( Damage ? ) on the Rebels without the aft floor. It was my understanding that the aft floor was not supplied with the Ultralight kit.

Steve Sloan
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Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] inner floor...



Hi Jean !

ABSOLUTELY !!! It makes a box beam out of the lower fuselage,
and greatly increases strength !

The rear floor has been standard since the beginning - somehow,
a rumour started that it was optional, and unnecessary - NOT TRUE !!
There are a couple of Rebels flying without it - a close look will
show the errors in that choice !
.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Friday 03 March 2006 01:11 pm, Jean Poirier wrote:
Should I put a inner floor in rear fuselage area?

Except for sleeping.... For a structural purpose, is it a good thing?
...

Jean
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Steven Sloan

[rebel-builders] inner floor...

Post by Steven Sloan » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:30 am

Bob & Wayne

Thank's for both of your reply's. My AULA Rebel kit was supplied in early 1996 without the aft floor. Now with over six years of flying on the airframe, four of them on amphib floats the airframe still looks like new with no crack's or creases.
I do make every effort not to abuse or push the structural limits, however it has seen many hard off airport/rough dirt strips when it was on wheels and rough water take off & landings that would make a beaver pilot cringe.
I have the battery, ELt and the hyd power pack mounted in the aft part of the tail cone, and for maintenance I have a removeable plywood bench that fits over the fuselage frames and spreads part of the load on to the bottom skins.
In closeing, it has been stated that the aft floor does not weigh much, however on my airframe it would have
increased the empty weight about 2 1/2 percent. That's equal to 3 plus gal of fuel or a good portion of the aircraft electrical system or my survival kit.

Steve Sloan


--- Original Message -----
From: Wayne G. O'Shea<mailto:oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com<mailto:rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] inner floor...


It's not supplied by MAM Steve (with AULA's anyhow) and it's not necessary
in any of them! The Rebel I shipped to Maui had a 118Hp Lyco in it and no
rear floor with no ill effects. I keep contending the upper Cabin to cone
corner wraps are the weak point of compression when on wheels and
considering what I have returned to a flying airplane from bits and pieces
(from both wheels and float aircraft) I'm sticking to it. In total wrecks
I've not seen an issue of where the inner floor, or lack there of, was a
blessing or a hindrance.

Wayne
.
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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com<mailto:rebel-builders@dcsol.com>>
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] inner floor...

Bob


What should we be looking for ( Damage ? ) on the Rebels without the aft
floor. It was my understanding that the aft floor was not supplied with the
Ultralight kit.
Steve Sloan
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To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com<mailto:rebel-builders@dcsol.com<mailto:rebel-builders@dcsol.com<mailto:rebel-builders@dcsol.com>>
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] inner floor...



Hi Jean !

ABSOLUTELY !!! It makes a box beam out of the lower fuselage,
and greatly increases strength !

The rear floor has been standard since the beginning - somehow,
a rumour started that it was optional, and unnecessary - NOT TRUE !!
There are a couple of Rebels flying without it - a close look will
show the errors in that choice !
.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Friday 03 March 2006 01:11 pm, Jean Poirier wrote:
Should I put a inner floor in rear fuselage area?

Except for sleeping.... For a structural purpose, is it a good thing?
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Jean
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Walter Klatt

[rebel-builders] inner floor...

Post by Walter Klatt » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:30 am

Hey, Steve, can't argue about anything the way you've built your plane. It
is still the fastest Rebel that I know both on wheels and amphibs, and with
just 125 hp.

Had a beautiful day here in today, and just got back from some nice flying
on my Rebel out to Harrison.

Will this be the year, Steve, we get you to come across the border into
Canada?

Walter

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Sloan
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 3:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] inner floor...

Bob & Wayne

Thank's for both of your reply's. My AULA Rebel kit was supplied in early
1996 without the aft floor. Now with over six years of flying on the
airframe, four of them on amphib floats the airframe still looks like new
with no crack's or creases.
I do make every effort not to abuse or push the structural limits, however
it has seen many hard off airport/rough dirt strips when it was on wheels
and rough water take off & landings that would make a beaver pilot cringe.
I have the battery, ELt and the hyd power pack mounted in the aft part of
the tail cone, and for maintenance I have a removeable plywood bench that
fits over the fuselage frames and spreads part of the load on to the bottom
skins.
In closeing, it has been stated that the aft floor does not weigh much,
however on my airframe it would have
increased the empty weight about 2 1/2 percent. That's equal to 3 plus gal
of fuel or a good portion of the aircraft electrical system or my survival
kit.

Steve Sloan


--- Original Message -----
From: Wayne G. O'Shea<mailto:oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com<mailto:rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] inner floor...


It's not supplied by MAM Steve (with AULA's anyhow) and it's not necessary
in any of them! The Rebel I shipped to Maui had a 118Hp Lyco in it and no
rear floor with no ill effects. I keep contending the upper Cabin to cone
corner wraps are the weak point of compression when on wheels and
considering what I have returned to a flying airplane from bits and pieces
(from both wheels and float aircraft) I'm sticking to it. In total wrecks
I've not seen an issue of where the inner floor, or lack there of, was a
blessing or a hindrance.

Wayne
.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Sloan" <Rebelee4@msn.com<mailto:Rebelee4@msn.com>>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com<mailto:rebel-builders@dcsol.com>>
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] inner floor...

Bob


What should we be looking for ( Damage ? ) on the Rebels without the aft
floor. It was my understanding that the aft floor was not supplied with
the
Ultralight kit.
Steve Sloan
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob
Patterson<mailto:beep@sympatico.ca<mailto:beep@sympatico.ca>>
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rebel-builders@dcsol.com<mailto:rebel-builders@dcsol.com<mailto:rebel-builde
rs@dcsol.com<mailto:rebel-builders@dcsol.com>>
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] inner floor...



Hi Jean !

ABSOLUTELY !!! It makes a box beam out of the lower fuselage,
and greatly increases strength !

The rear floor has been standard since the beginning - somehow,
a rumour started that it was optional, and unnecessary - NOT TRUE !!
There are a couple of Rebels flying without it - a close look will
show the errors in that choice !
.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Friday 03 March 2006 01:11 pm, Jean Poirier wrote:
Should I put a inner floor in rear fuselage area?

Except for sleeping.... For a structural purpose, is it a good
thing?
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Jean
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Post by bransom » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:30 am

I think MAM says adding the inner floor is 6 to 7 lbs worth. Either the floor
adds a lot more than 7 lbs, or I'm otherwise confused by the 2.5% number.
What's the deal here?
Thanks,
-Ben/ 496R
Bob & Wayne

Thank's for both of your reply's. My AULA Rebel kit was supplied in early
1996 without the aft floor. Now with over six years of flying on the airframe,
four of them on amphib floats the airframe still looks like new with no crack's
or creases.
I do make every effort not to abuse or push the structural limits, however
it has seen many hard off airport/rough dirt strips when it was on wheels and
rough water take off & landings that would make a beaver pilot cringe.
I have the battery, ELt and the hyd power pack mounted in the aft part of
the tail cone, and for maintenance I have a removeable plywood bench that
fits over the fuselage frames and spreads part of the load on to the bottom
skins.
In closeing, it has been stated that the aft floor does not weigh much,
however on my airframe it would have
increased the empty weight about 2 1/2 percent. That's equal to 3 plus gal
of fuel or a good portion of the aircraft electrical system or my survival kit.
Steve Sloan


--- Original Message -----
From: Wayne G. O'Shea<mailto:oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com<mailto:rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] inner floor...


It's not supplied by MAM Steve (with AULA's anyhow) and it's not
necessary
in any of them! The Rebel I shipped to Maui had a 118Hp Lyco in it and no
rear floor with no ill effects. I keep contending the upper Cabin to cone
corner wraps are the weak point of compression when on wheels and
considering what I have returned to a flying airplane from bits and pieces
(from both wheels and float aircraft) I'm sticking to it. In total wrecks
I've not seen an issue of where the inner floor, or lack there of, was a
blessing or a hindrance.

Wayne
.
----- Original Message -----
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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com<mailto:rebel-builders@dcsol.com>>
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] inner floor...

Bob


What should we be looking for ( Damage ? ) on the Rebels without the
aft
floor. It was my understanding that the aft floor was not supplied with the
Ultralight kit.
Steve Sloan
----- Original Message -----
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Patterson<mailto:beep@sympatico.ca<mailto:beep@sympatico.ca>>
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builders@dcsol.com<mailto:rebel-builders@dcsol.com<mailto:rebel-
builders@dcsol.com>>
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] inner floor...



Hi Jean !

ABSOLUTELY !!! It makes a box beam out of the lower fuselage,
and greatly increases strength !

The rear floor has been standard since the beginning - somehow,
a rumour started that it was optional, and unnecessary - NOT TRUE !!
There are a couple of Rebels flying without it - a close look will
show the errors in that choice !
.....bobp

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Steven Sloan

[rebel-builders] inner floor...

Post by Steven Sloan » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:31 am

Ben

I used 15 to 16 lbs which is based on the measurements of the floor structure that is installed on a friends Rebel that is nearing completion. My Rebel origionally weighted just under 700 lbs with a A-65 for power.The point I was trying to make is think about every oz or lb that your are adding to the Rebel. Even a 1 percent increase based on 6 to 7 lbs is significant.

Steve Sloan
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I think MAM says adding the inner floor is 6 to 7 lbs worth. Either the floor
adds a lot more than 7 lbs, or I'm otherwise confused by the 2.5% number.
What's the deal here?
Thanks,
-Ben/ 496R
Bob & Wayne

Thank's for both of your reply's. My AULA Rebel kit was supplied in early
1996 without the aft floor. Now with over six years of flying on the airframe,
four of them on amphib floats the airframe still looks like new with no crack's
or creases.
I do make every effort not to abuse or push the structural limits, however
it has seen many hard off airport/rough dirt strips when it was on wheels and
rough water take off & landings that would make a beaver pilot cringe.
I have the battery, ELt and the hyd power pack mounted in the aft part of
the tail cone, and for maintenance I have a removeable plywood bench that
fits over the fuselage frames and spreads part of the load on to the bottom
skins.
In closeing, it has been stated that the aft floor does not weigh much,
however on my airframe it would have
increased the empty weight about 2 1/2 percent. That's equal to 3 plus gal
of fuel or a good portion of the aircraft electrical system or my survival kit.
Steve Sloan


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To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com<mailto:rebel-builders@dcsol.com<mailto:rebel-builders@dcsol.com<mailto:rebel-builders@dcsol.com>>
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] inner floor...


It's not supplied by MAM Steve (with AULA's anyhow) and it's not
necessary
in any of them! The Rebel I shipped to Maui had a 118Hp Lyco in it and no
rear floor with no ill effects. I keep contending the upper Cabin to cone
corner wraps are the weak point of compression when on wheels and
considering what I have returned to a flying airplane from bits and pieces
(from both wheels and float aircraft) I'm sticking to it. In total wrecks
I've not seen an issue of where the inner floor, or lack there of, was a
blessing or a hindrance.

Wayne
.
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Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] inner floor...

Bob


What should we be looking for ( Damage ? ) on the Rebels without the
aft
floor. It was my understanding that the aft floor was not supplied with the
Ultralight kit.
Steve Sloan
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Hi Jean !

ABSOLUTELY !!! It makes a box beam out of the lower fuselage,
and greatly increases strength !

The rear floor has been standard since the beginning - somehow,
a rumour started that it was optional, and unnecessary - NOT TRUE !!
There are a couple of Rebels flying without it - a close look will
show the errors in that choice !
.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Friday 03 March 2006 01:11 pm, Jean Poirier wrote:
Should I put a inner floor in rear fuselage area?

Except for sleeping.... For a structural purpose, is it a good thing?
...

Jean
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eric.r

[rebel-builders] inner floor...

Post by eric.r » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:31 am

On wheels ... what about the amphibs? where is the stress there? I am
building on amphibs, and probably will never install the spring gear although I
will definitely install all suggested doublers, etc. (just in case)
On 3/3/2006 8:42 PM, oifa@irishfield.on.ca wrote to rebel-builders:

-> It's not supplied by MAM Steve (with AULA's anyhow) and it's not
necessary
-> in any of them! The Rebel I shipped to Maui had a 118Hp Lyco in it and no
-> rear floor with no ill effects. I keep contending the upper Cabin to cone
-> corner wraps are the weak point of compression when on wheels and
-> considering what I have returned to a flying airplane from bits and pieces
-> (from both wheels and float aircraft) I'm sticking to it. In total wrecks
-> I've not seen an issue of where the inner floor, or lack there of, was a
-> blessing or a hindrance.
->
-> Wayne
-> .
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: "Steven Sloan" <Rebelee4@msn.com>
-> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 9:08 PM
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] inner floor...
->
->
-> > Bob
-> >
-> >
-> > What should we be looking for ( Damage ? ) on the Rebels without the
aft
-> floor. It was my understanding that the aft floor was not supplied with the
-> Ultralight kit.
-> >
-> > Steve Sloan
-> > ----- Original Message -----
-> > From: Bob Patterson<mailto:beep@sympatico.ca>
-> > To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com<mailto:rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 11:45 AM
-> > Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] inner floor...
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> > Hi Jean !
-> >
-> > ABSOLUTELY !!! It makes a box beam out of the lower fuselage,
-> > and greatly increases strength !
-> >
-> > The rear floor has been standard since the beginning - somehow,
-> > a rumour started that it was optional, and unnecessary - NOT TRUE !!
-> > There are a couple of Rebels flying without it - a close look will
-> > show the errors in that choice !
-> > .....bobp
-> >
-> > -------------------------------orig.-------------------------
-> > On Friday 03 March 2006 01:11 pm, Jean Poirier wrote:
-> > > Should I put a inner floor in rear fuselage area?
-> > >
-> > > Except for sleeping.... For a structural purpose, is it a good thing?
-> > > ...
-> > >
-> > > Jean
-> > > Rebel747R
-> > >
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Wayne G. O'Shea

[rebel-builders] inner floor...

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:31 am

Of course when on floats the lower Fus-33 wrap behind the rear float attach
point becomes the compression point and the upper Fus-10 (70) gets a chance
to stretch it's buckles back out from when you were on wheels! :O)

That said...yes I have seen some damaged Fus-33's behind the rear attach
points......but not before the floats needed to be thrown away too! If you
are not going to do the floor on a full gross Rebel I would be tempted to
channel and inner wrap at minimum the one bulkhead span directly behind the
lower float points. That would be a floor channel and a side panel channel
with a curved skin joining them,,,the float point bulkhead and the next
bulkhead back. Not absolutely necessary....but I think I could make enough
difference in the load path/ability of the area to let you away with a
couple not so perfect landings.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: <eric.r@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] inner floor...

On wheels ... what about the amphibs? where is the stress there? I am
building on amphibs, and probably will never install the spring gear
although I
will definitely install all suggested doublers, etc. (just in case)
On 3/3/2006 8:42 PM, oifa@irishfield.on.ca wrote to rebel-builders:

-> It's not supplied by MAM Steve (with AULA's anyhow) and it's not
necessary
-> in any of them! The Rebel I shipped to Maui had a 118Hp Lyco in it and
no
-> rear floor with no ill effects. I keep contending the upper Cabin to
cone
-> corner wraps are the weak point of compression when on wheels and
-> considering what I have returned to a flying airplane from bits and
pieces
-> (from both wheels and float aircraft) I'm sticking to it. In total
wrecks
-> I've not seen an issue of where the inner floor, or lack there of, was
a
-> blessing or a hindrance.
->
-> Wayne
-> .
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: "Steven Sloan" <Rebelee4@msn.com>
-> To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 9:08 PM
-> Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] inner floor...
->
->
-> > Bob
-> >
-> >
-> > What should we be looking for ( Damage ? ) on the Rebels without the
aft
-> floor. It was my understanding that the aft floor was not supplied with
the
-> Ultralight kit.
-> >
-> > Steve Sloan
-> > ----- Original Message -----
-> > From: Bob Patterson<mailto:beep@sympatico.ca>
-> > To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com<mailto:rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
-> > Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 11:45 AM
-> > Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] inner floor...
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> > Hi Jean !
-> >
-> > ABSOLUTELY !!! It makes a box beam out of the lower fuselage,
-> > and greatly increases strength !
-> >
-> > The rear floor has been standard since the beginning - somehow,
-> > a rumour started that it was optional, and unnecessary - NOT TRUE
!!
-> > There are a couple of Rebels flying without it - a close look will
-> > show the errors in that choice !
-> > .....bobp
-> >
-> > -------------------------------orig.-------------------------
-> > On Friday 03 March 2006 01:11 pm, Jean Poirier wrote:
-> > > Should I put a inner floor in rear fuselage area?
-> > >
-> > > Except for sleeping.... For a structural purpose, is it a good
thing?
-> > > ...
-> > >
-> > > Jean
-> > > Rebel747R
-> > >
-> > >
-> > >
-> >
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Ken

[rebel-builders] inner floor...

Post by Ken » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:13 am

Hi Jean

I don't think there is anything wrong with rivetting very close to the
ST-31 radius as long as you are not actually drilling into the radius. I
would rather have the rivets close to the radius than not have enough
edge distance with the channel reversed. I will leave it to the factory
or someone else to say whether it is OK to install the ST31 facing
outside. The ST-31 on the other side of the corner wraps (on the side
of the fuselage) are pointed towards the corner though so one would
think that if is OK there then it is perhaps OK on the bottom too??

KEN



Jean Poirier wrote:
Hello,

Today is the first day back in the shop since may... good feeling!

I am on section 12.2 "INNER FLOOR CHANNEL INSTALLATION". The manual ask
for "the channels at the side should face inward and butt up to the flanges
of FUS-23-2 (bottom skin). I will try to explain my problem with my %$(&
english!

The outside corner wrap is already cleeco to the bottom skin with 3/32" as
per manual. If I put the channel (ST-31) facing inside, the line of rivet
of bottom skin and corner wrap will be, in my opinion, to close of the ST-31
radius. Should the rivet be for outside corner wrap/bottom skin/ST-31
channel all together? If so, could I put ST-31 facing outside (much
easier to center wiht the line of rivets already done). Did I made
something wrong?

Jean
Rebel 747R




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apoulsen

[rebel-builders] inner floor...

Post by apoulsen » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:13 am

Jean,

I turned the ST31 flange facing out and back drilled like you're thinking.
Worked for me...

Allen Poulsen
786R

And your English is a lot better than my French

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Poirier" <jean.poirier@oxyportneuf.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 12:45 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] inner floor...

Hello,

Today is the first day back in the shop since may... good feeling!

I am on section 12.2 "INNER FLOOR CHANNEL INSTALLATION". The manual ask
for "the channels at the side should face inward and butt up to the
flanges
of FUS-23-2 (bottom skin). I will try to explain my problem with my %$(&
english!

The outside corner wrap is already cleeco to the bottom skin with 3/32" as
per manual. If I put the channel (ST-31) facing inside, the line of
rivet
of bottom skin and corner wrap will be, in my opinion, to close of the
ST-31
radius. Should the rivet be for outside corner wrap/bottom skin/ST-31
channel all together? If so, could I put ST-31 facing outside (much
easier to center wiht the line of rivets already done). Did I made
something wrong?

Jean
Rebel 747R





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