control rod end spacers

Jones, Michael · Post by **Jones, Michael** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:31 am

hi all

guess this question is really for Wayne since i think he posted the pics of
the rod end spaces.

i think i see you put small spacers above and below the rod end, is this to
allow the rod end to twist full without bottoming out on the bell crank or
penny wash above, by doing this the rod ends stop twisting on their threads
in the control tube, i assume this is only done at the bell crank end since
the other end of this control rod is inside the main control tube, is this
correct Wayne, if so do you recall the length of the spacers required

thank

mike#007

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Bob Patterson · Post by **Bob Patterson** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:31 am

Hi Mike !

You're right - the small spacers (cut-down washers, or tube
pieces) stop the rod-end from hitting the larger penny washers,
which would cause the whole thing to turn on the threads.

The spacers are usually added on the control column end,
where they are visible, although putting them on the other end
as well wouldn't hurt.

.....bobp

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On Wednesday 18 May 2005 01:41 pm, Jones, Michael wrote:

hi all

guess this question is really for Wayne since i think he posted the pics of
the rod end spaces.

i think i see you put small spacers above and below the rod end, is this to
allow the rod end to twist full without bottoming out on the bell crank or
penny wash above, by doing this the rod ends stop twisting on their threads
in the control tube, i assume this is only done at the bell crank end since
the other end of this control rod is inside the main control tube, is this
correct Wayne, if so do you recall the length of the spacers required

thank

mike#007

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Ken · Post by **Ken** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:31 am

Yes
Yes
and Yes ;)
Mine are I believe at most 1/8" long and made from 5/16 OD steel fuel
line tubing.
Ken

Jones, Michael wrote:

hi all

guess this question is really for Wayne since i think he posted the pics of
the rod end spaces.

i think i see you put small spacers above and below the rod end, is this to
allow the rod end to twist full without bottoming out on the bell crank or
penny wash above, by doing this the rod ends stop twisting on their threads
in the control tube, i assume this is only done at the bell crank end since
the other end of this control rod is inside the main control tube, is this
correct Wayne, if so do you recall the length of the spacers required

thank

mike#007

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Alan Hepburn · Post by **Alan Hepburn** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:31 am

A much better solution (though it costs a few bucks) is to use the ACS rod
end swivel bearing (Part No 05-01021). You also need an HF-4 bearing to go
with it. Thanks to Ralph Baker for this one.

Al Hepburn

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Jones, Michael · Post by **Jones, Michael** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:31 am

hi all

so i am picking up some bolts today and am at work already, can someone tell
me the bolt sizes for the bellcrank with these spaces or even the original
size and will get a couple of sizes but i need this info before lunch

thank

mike#007

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rickhm · Post by **rickhm** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:31 am

I must be brain dead. I cannot find the posted pictures, or I deleted the email with the reference. Can someone point me to these?

RIck Muller
SR70

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Yes
Yes
and Yes ;)
Mine are I believe at most 1/8" long and made from 5/16 OD steel fuel
line tubing.
Ken

Jones, Michael wrote:

hi all

guess this question is really for Wayne since i think he posted the pics of
the rod end spaces.

i think i see you put small spacers above and below the rod end, is this to
allow the rod end to twist full without bottoming out on the bell crank or
penny wash above, by doing this the rod ends stop twisting on their threads
in the control tube, i assume this is only done at the bell crank end since
the other end of this control rod is inside the main control tube, is this
correct Wayne, if so do you recall the length of the spacers required

thank

mike#007

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Jones, Michael · Post by **Jones, Michael** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:31 am

its under rebel and then controls section, top two pics on the list, cant
miss them, their names are totally different than any others in that section

mike#007

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Subject: Re: control rod end spacers

I must be brain dead. I cannot find the posted pictures, or I deleted the
email with the reference. Can someone point me to these?

RIck Muller
SR70

-------------- Original message --------------

Yes
Yes
and Yes ;)
Mine are I believe at most 1/8" long and made from 5/16 OD steel fuel
line tubing.
Ken

Jones, Michael wrote:

hi all

guess this question is really for Wayne since i think he posted the pics

of

the rod end spaces.

i think i see you put small spacers above and below the rod end, is this

to

allow the rod end to twist full without bottoming out on the bell crank

or

penny wash above, by doing this the rod ends stop twisting on their

threads

in the control tube, i assume this is only done at the bell crank end

since

the other end of this control rod is inside the main control tube, is

this

correct Wayne, if so do you recall the length of the spacers required

thank

mike#007

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Ralph Baker · Post by **Ralph Baker** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:31 am

When the tubular spacers ar used to minimize the rod ends turning in the
aluminum tube end fittings it is important to orient the rod ends in the
tube so they are in the same plane at each end. If this is not done
before final adjustment and locking the jam nuts there will not be a
full range of rod end motion (even with the spacers).
Ralph Baker

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Jones, Michael · Post by **Jones, Michael** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:31 am

ralph

how do you make both ends in same plan, one is vertical the other is
horizontal, i don't follow

mike

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Subject: control rod end spacers

When the tubular spacers ar used to minimize the rod ends turning in the
aluminum tube end fittings it is important to orient the rod ends in the
tube so they are in the same plane at each end. If this is not done
before final adjustment and locking the jam nuts there will not be a
full range of rod end motion (even with the spacers).
Ralph Baker

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Ralph Baker · Post by **Ralph Baker** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:31 am

Poor choice of words on my part and incorrect. What my brain was trying to
say is to set them so the maximum amount of rotational travel is available
at each end so you dont have one rod end bind in one direction and the other
bind in the opposite direction.
Mea Culpa
Ralph

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From: "Jones, Michael" <MJones@hatch.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 9:55 AM
Subject: RE: control rod end spacers

ralph

how do you make both ends in same plan, one is vertical the other is
horizontal, i don't follow

mike

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Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 9:54 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: control rod end spacers

When the tubular spacers ar used to minimize the rod ends turning in the
aluminum tube end fittings it is important to orient the rod ends in the
tube so they are in the same plane at each end. If this is not done
before final adjustment and locking the jam nuts there will not be a
full range of rod end motion (even with the spacers).
Ralph Baker

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Wayne G. O'Shea · Post by **Wayne G. O'Shea** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:32 am

Ken's got it for you Mike! See I can go away permanantly!

) I use about
3/16" to a 1/4" x 5/6" stainless brake line. It lets the rod end rotate that
extra bit needed so you can lock nut both ends of the push pull. Don't
bother playing with this until you have set your up and down stops for the
elevator.

Wayne

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Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: control rod end spacers

Yes
Yes
and Yes ;)
Mine are I believe at most 1/8" long and made from 5/16 OD steel fuel
line tubing.
Ken

Jones, Michael wrote:

hi all

guess this question is really for Wayne since i think he posted the pics

of

the rod end spaces.

i think i see you put small spacers above and below the rod end, is this

to

allow the rod end to twist full without bottoming out on the bell crank

or

penny wash above, by doing this the rod ends stop twisting on their

threads

in the control tube, i assume this is only done at the bell crank end

since

the other end of this control rod is inside the main control tube, is

this

correct Wayne, if so do you recall the length of the spacers required

thank

mike#007

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Wayne G. O'Shea · Post by **Wayne G. O'Shea** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:32 am

Only applies to the Rebel and Elite Rick...carry on! Wayne

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Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: control rod end spacers

I must be brain dead. I cannot find the posted pictures, or I deleted the

email with the reference. Can someone point me to these?

RIck Muller
SR70

-------------- Original message --------------

Yes
Yes
and Yes ;)
Mine are I believe at most 1/8" long and made from 5/16 OD steel fuel
line tubing.
Ken

Jones, Michael wrote:

hi all

guess this question is really for Wayne since i think he posted the

pics of

the rod end spaces.

i think i see you put small spacers above and below the rod end, is

this to

allow the rod end to twist full without bottoming out on the bell crank

or

penny wash above, by doing this the rod ends stop twisting on their

threads

in the control tube, i assume this is only done at the bell crank end

since

the other end of this control rod is inside the main control tube, is

this

correct Wayne, if so do you recall the length of the spacers required

thank

mike#007

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