Super rebel prop length

[Mike's Email]

I'm trying to size a three bladed prop for the Super Rebel. Anybody know the distance from the center of the prop to the ground in a level attitude? What's the general rule of thumb for how far the prop tip should be from the ground? No closer than a foot? More? Any flying SRs out there that can tell me what they used? I keep hearing big, slow turning props is the way to go. That true? Use the biggest blade you can? Redline at say 2400 and cruise at maybe 2000-2100? Seems like I remember seeing something like 1800 rpm on the demonstrator when Robin set it up for me to fly around.

Mike Kimball
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[Peter & Monica]

We are using a 300 horsepower lycoming (i0540 k1g5d) and purchased a new
McCauley three blade specifically for this model of engine. I think the
diameter is 76 or 78.

peter k
SR003





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Subject: Super rebel prop length


I'm trying to size a three bladed prop for the Super Rebel. Anybody know
the distance from the center of the prop to the ground in a level attitude?
What's the general rule of thumb for how far the prop tip should be from the
ground? No closer than a foot? More? Any flying SRs out there that can
tell me what they used? I keep hearing big, slow turning props is the way
to go. That true? Use the biggest blade you can? Redline at say 2400 and
cruise at maybe 2000-2100? Seems like I remember seeing something like 1800
rpm on the demonstrator when Robin set it up for me to fly around.

Mike Kimball
SR#044

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[Don Boardman]

Mike writes:

I keep hearing big, slow turning props is the way to go.
That true? Use the biggest blade you can?
Mike Kimball
SR#044

Randy and I will be turning a 102" MT three blade on our 400 HP M-14.
We had a choice of 96" or 102".

The consensus of those asked seemed to be ... 102" better off the water and
climb. A bit slower at top end verses the 96". The MT people recommended the
102" indicating that at the speeds we are flying the extra drag of the
longer prop is not really a factor.

Regards,
Don Boardman
& Partner, Randy Bowers
Super Moose #130 M-14PF 400HP, MT-prop, Aerocet 3500 amphibs, Rome, NY





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[Mike Kimball]

Thanks for the reply. I had my eye on MT props but was concerned about
their website indicating a max 350HP for their props. Obviously, their
website is not up to date on all their products or specs. Do you know if
your prop can handle more than 400HP?

Mike Kimball
SR#044

-----Original Message-----
From: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com [mailto:murphy-rebel@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Don Boardman
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 3:20 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Super rebel prop length

Mike writes:

I keep hearing big, slow turning props is the way to go.
That true? Use the biggest blade you can?
Mike Kimball
SR#044

Randy and I will be turning a 102" MT three blade on our 400 HP M-14.
We had a choice of 96" or 102".

The consensus of those asked seemed to be ... 102" better off the water and
climb. A bit slower at top end verses the 96". The MT people recommended the
102" indicating that at the speeds we are flying the extra drag of the
longer prop is not really a factor.

Regards,
Don Boardman
& Partner, Randy Bowers
Super Moose #130 M-14PF 400HP, MT-prop, Aerocet 3500 amphibs, Rome, NY



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[Don Boardman]

Mike,

The manual indicates that the series of props that includes mine are
designed for engines up to 420 HP.

From: Mike Kimball <mkimball@gci.net>
Reply-To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 17:59:11 -0900
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Super rebel prop length

Thanks for the reply. I had my eye on MT props but was concerned about
their website indicating a max 350HP for their props. Obviously, their
website is not up to date on all their products or specs. Do you know if
your prop can handle more than 400HP?

Mike Kimball
SR#044

-----Original Message-----
From: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com [mailto:murphy-rebel@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Don Boardman
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 3:20 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Super rebel prop length

Mike writes:

I keep hearing big, slow turning props is the way to go.
That true? Use the biggest blade you can?
Mike Kimball
SR#044

Randy and I will be turning a 102" MT three blade on our 400 HP M-14.
We had a choice of 96" or 102".

The consensus of those asked seemed to be ... 102" better off the water and
climb. A bit slower at top end verses the 96". The MT people recommended the
102" indicating that at the speeds we are flying the extra drag of the
longer prop is not really a factor.

Regards,
Don Boardman
& Partner, Randy Bowers
Super Moose #130 M-14PF 400HP, MT-prop, Aerocet 3500 amphibs, Rome, NY



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[mike.davis]

Hey Mike... it looks like you were only looking at their Electric CS
props... as you can see from the tables below their Hydraulic CS props are
not only available bigger, but at much higher horse power ratings.

Mike

3-Blade Hydraulic Constant Speed Propellers

Model No. max. Diameter max. Power max. RPM
MTV-3* 250 cm / 98.4 in 450 HP 2700
MTV-6 175 cm / 68.9 in 160 HP 2800
MTV-9 260 cm / 102.4 in 600 HP 2800
MTV-12 192 cm / 75.6 in 300 HP 2800

3-Blade Electric Constant Speed Propellers

Model No. max. Diameter max. Power max. RPM
MTV-7 175 cm / 68.9 in 160 HP 2800
MTV-18 192 cm / 75.6 in 260 HP 2800
MTV-23 200 cm / 78.7 in 350 HP 2700

"Mike Kimball" <mkimball@gci.net> wrote in message
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Thanks for the reply. I had my eye on MT props but was concerned about
their website indicating a max 350HP for their props. Obviously, their
website is not up to date on all their products or specs. Do you know if
your prop can handle more than 400HP?

Mike Kimball
SR#044

-----Original Message-----
From: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com [mailto:murphy-rebel@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Don Boardman
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 3:20 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Super rebel prop length

Mike writes:

I keep hearing big, slow turning props is the way to go.
That true? Use the biggest blade you can?
Mike Kimball
SR#044

Randy and I will be turning a 102" MT three blade on our 400 HP M-14.
We had a choice of 96" or 102".

The consensus of those asked seemed to be ... 102" better off the water

and

climb. A bit slower at top end verses the 96". The MT people recommended

the

102" indicating that at the speeds we are flying the extra drag of the
longer prop is not really a factor.

Regards,
Don Boardman
& Partner, Randy Bowers
Super Moose #130 M-14PF 400HP, MT-prop, Aerocet 3500 amphibs, Rome, NY

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[Mike Kimball]

Dang - Don't want a hydraulic. Need an electric both to keep weight and
cost down and because of the PSRU choices (again keeping weight and cost
down).

Mike Kimball

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mike.davis@dcsol.com
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 8:32 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Super rebel prop length

Hey Mike... it looks like you were only looking at their Electric CS
props... as you can see from the tables below their Hydraulic CS props are
not only available bigger, but at much higher horse power ratings.

Mike

3-Blade Hydraulic Constant Speed Propellers

Model No. max. Diameter max. Power max. RPM
MTV-3* 250 cm / 98.4 in 450 HP 2700
MTV-6 175 cm / 68.9 in 160 HP 2800
MTV-9 260 cm / 102.4 in 600 HP 2800
MTV-12 192 cm / 75.6 in 300 HP 2800

3-Blade Electric Constant Speed Propellers

Model No. max. Diameter max. Power max. RPM
MTV-7 175 cm / 68.9 in 160 HP 2800
MTV-18 192 cm / 75.6 in 260 HP 2800
MTV-23 200 cm / 78.7 in 350 HP 2700

"Mike Kimball" <mkimball@gci.net> wrote in message
news:000901c27e2d$fe089a80$0900a8c0@mikespc...

Thanks for the reply. I had my eye on MT props but was concerned about
their website indicating a max 350HP for their props. Obviously, their
website is not up to date on all their products or specs. Do you know if
your prop can handle more than 400HP?

Mike Kimball
SR#044

-----Original Message-----
From: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com [mailto:murphy-rebel@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Don Boardman
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 3:20 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Super rebel prop length

Mike writes:

I keep hearing big, slow turning props is the way to go.
That true? Use the biggest blade you can?
Mike Kimball
SR#044

Randy and I will be turning a 102" MT three blade on our 400 HP M-14.
We had a choice of 96" or 102".

The consensus of those asked seemed to be ... 102" better off the water

and

climb. A bit slower at top end verses the 96". The MT people recommended

the

102" indicating that at the speeds we are flying the extra drag of the
longer prop is not really a factor.

Regards,
Don Boardman
& Partner, Randy Bowers
Super Moose #130 M-14PF 400HP, MT-prop, Aerocet 3500 amphibs, Rome, NY

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[Rickhm at home]

Catching up on old email..... Have you looked into an IVO prop. There much
less expensive. The magnum sells for $2-3,000. They had some issues with
the Magnum 3 years ago, but all recent feedback I have gotten suggests it
is now a solid product. The difference in cost for a 2 vs 3 blade prop is
several hundred dollars. They are very popular with the air boats. They
have a "paddle" version that I think is used often there. I can't imagine
anything harder on a prop (or engine) than going 40 mph and doing a 180 on
an dime. Anyone else have any feedback on IVO?

Rick Muller
SR70

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Boardman [SMTP:dboardm3@twcny.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 8:11 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Super rebel prop length

Mike,

The manual indicates that the series of props that includes mine are
designed for engines up to 420 HP.

From: Mike Kimball <mkimball@gci.net>
Reply-To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 17:59:11 -0900
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Super rebel prop length

Thanks for the reply. I had my eye on MT props but was concerned about
their website indicating a max 350HP for their props. Obviously, their
website is not up to date on all their products or specs. Do you know if
your prop can handle more than 400HP?

Mike Kimball
SR#044

-----Original Message-----
From: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com [mailto:murphy-rebel@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Don Boardman
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 3:20 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Super rebel prop length

Mike writes:

I keep hearing big, slow turning props is the way to go.
That true? Use the biggest blade you can?
Mike Kimball
SR#044

Randy and I will be turning a 102" MT three blade on our 400 HP M-14.
We had a choice of 96" or 102".

The consensus of those asked seemed to be ... 102" better off the water

and

climb. A bit slower at top end verses the 96". The MT people recommended

the

102" indicating that at the speeds we are flying the extra drag of the
longer prop is not really a factor.

Regards,
Don Boardman
& Partner, Randy Bowers
Super Moose #130 M-14PF 400HP, MT-prop, Aerocet 3500 amphibs, Rome, NY

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[Mike Davis]

The only negative thing I've ever heard from the ultralight world is that
their "nickel" leading edge is nothing more than a thin foil tape... helps
with water erosion, but not very effective against rocks. Versus the Warp
Drive which is an actual metal leading edge molded into the blade. This may
not be nearly as important on a Rebel as it is on a pusher ultralight
though... they tend to kick up rocks on landing right into the blades.

Mike
195SR

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rickhm at home" <Rickhm@mindspring.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 7:55 AM
Subject: RE: Super rebel prop length

Catching up on old email..... Have you looked into an IVO prop. There

much

less expensive. The magnum sells for $2-3,000. They had some issues with
the Magnum 3 years ago, but all recent feedback I have gotten suggests it
is now a solid product. The difference in cost for a 2 vs 3 blade prop is
several hundred dollars. They are very popular with the air boats. They
have a "paddle" version that I think is used often there. I can't imagine
anything harder on a prop (or engine) than going 40 mph and doing a 180 on
an dime. Anyone else have any feedback on IVO?

Rick Muller
SR70

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Boardman [SMTP:dboardm3@twcny.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 8:11 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Super rebel prop length

Mike,

The manual indicates that the series of props that includes mine are
designed for engines up to 420 HP.

From: Mike Kimball <mkimball@gci.net>
Reply-To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 17:59:11 -0900
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Super rebel prop length

Thanks for the reply. I had my eye on MT props but was concerned about
their website indicating a max 350HP for their props. Obviously, their
website is not up to date on all their products or specs. Do you know

if

your prop can handle more than 400HP?

Mike Kimball
SR#044

-----Original Message-----
From: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com [mailto:murphy-rebel@dcsol.com] On Behalf

Of

Don Boardman
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 3:20 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Super rebel prop length

Mike writes:

I keep hearing big, slow turning props is the way to go.
That true? Use the biggest blade you can?
Mike Kimball
SR#044

Randy and I will be turning a 102" MT three blade on our 400 HP M-14.
We had a choice of 96" or 102".

The consensus of those asked seemed to be ... 102" better off the water

and

climb. A bit slower at top end verses the 96". The MT people recommended

the

102" indicating that at the speeds we are flying the extra drag of the
longer prop is not really a factor.

Regards,
Don Boardman
& Partner, Randy Bowers
Super Moose #130 M-14PF 400HP, MT-prop, Aerocet 3500 amphibs, Rome, NY

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[Reed, Britt/FSC Salt Lake]

I called and talked to the folks there at IVO about the Magnum (it's max
length is 76" - I was looking for a longer length for the SR3500) and they
suggested the Airboat Magnum - It does not have the tip taper and they make
it 84". They also ponted out that the square tip on the airboat prop allows
them to inlay the stainless steel - unlike the "tape" they use on the other
models (even though the website shows how to change the leading edge tape on
the Magnum Airboat) - He mentioned that the 84" square tip was perfectly
applicable to the aviation applications. He did not have a list of
"satisfied customers" using the higher horsepower stuff.

Britt - 194SR

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Davis [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 10:52 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Super rebel prop length


The only negative thing I've ever heard from the ultralight world is that
their "nickel" leading edge is nothing more than a thin foil tape... helps
with water erosion, but not very effective against rocks. Versus the Warp
Drive which is an actual metal leading edge molded into the blade. This may
not be nearly as important on a Rebel as it is on a pusher ultralight
though... they tend to kick up rocks on landing right into the blades.

Mike
195SR

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rickhm at home" <Rickhm@mindspring.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 7:55 AM
Subject: RE: Super rebel prop length

Catching up on old email..... Have you looked into an IVO prop. There

much

less expensive. The magnum sells for $2-3,000. They had some issues with
the Magnum 3 years ago, but all recent feedback I have gotten suggests it
is now a solid product. The difference in cost for a 2 vs 3 blade prop is
several hundred dollars. They are very popular with the air boats. They
have a "paddle" version that I think is used often there. I can't imagine
anything harder on a prop (or engine) than going 40 mph and doing a 180 on
an dime. Anyone else have any feedback on IVO?

Rick Muller
SR70

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Boardman [SMTP:dboardm3@twcny.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 8:11 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Super rebel prop length

Mike,

The manual indicates that the series of props that includes mine are
designed for engines up to 420 HP.

From: Mike Kimball <mkimball@gci.net>
Reply-To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 17:59:11 -0900
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Super rebel prop length

Thanks for the reply. I had my eye on MT props but was concerned about
their website indicating a max 350HP for their props. Obviously, their
website is not up to date on all their products or specs. Do you know

if

your prop can handle more than 400HP?

Mike Kimball
SR#044

-----Original Message-----
From: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com [mailto:murphy-rebel@dcsol.com] On Behalf

Of

Don Boardman
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 3:20 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Super rebel prop length

Mike writes:

I keep hearing big, slow turning props is the way to go.
That true? Use the biggest blade you can?
Mike Kimball
SR#044

Randy and I will be turning a 102" MT three blade on our 400 HP M-14.
We had a choice of 96" or 102".

The consensus of those asked seemed to be ... 102" better off the water

and

climb. A bit slower at top end verses the 96". The MT people recommended

the

102" indicating that at the speeds we are flying the extra drag of the
longer prop is not really a factor.

Regards,
Don Boardman
& Partner, Randy Bowers
Super Moose #130 M-14PF 400HP, MT-prop, Aerocet 3500 amphibs, Rome, NY

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