Head liner

[Legeorgen]

Just a Heads up on the head liner. My headliner melted and sagged of the ceiling in 94 degree temperatures Spokane, Washington). Has anyone experienced this? I contacted Brian at MAM and sent them some pictures. They where very interested and offered to replace the liner right away. I can't explain it. MAM is at a loss too. They have not experienced a melted headliner before. Did someone forget to add a catalyst to the plastic at molding? I'll try to post a few pictures to the list.

I am excited to fly the plane in a few weeks but not redoing the liner. It was the most thankless part of the project... working with your head tilted up and your neck chinked out of whack. It is not even possible to use the old ones for a pattern they are so deformed. MAM is standing behind their product. That has to count.

Bruce G 357R

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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

You must be the "lucky" one Bruce! Howard's Rebel is outside all summer long on his "air lift" at the lake and the headliner is still like new. His cabin roof is white and has only the 2 skylights directly above your head (as well as the eyebrows). We hit 32*C yesterday with a humidex of about 45*C and tomorrow it is to be 35*C. We are all meeting in Little Lake, Midland Ontario for Canada Day, so I will have a look at his mid afternoon when the temperature starts to soar! My Rebel also has a headliner in it with no melting problems. My non-insulated, Forest Green roofed, hanger hits well over 115*F many times per summer and I have had no problems with my headliner.

Cheers,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

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From: Legeorgen@cs.com (Legeorgen@cs.com)
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com (murphy-rebel@dcsol.com)
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: Head liner


Just a Heads up on the head liner. My headliner melted and sagged of the ceiling in 94 degree temperatures Spokane, Washington). Has anyone experienced this? I contacted Brian at MAM and sent them some pictures. They where very interested and offered to replace the liner right away. I can't explain it. MAM is at a loss too. They have not experienced a melted headliner before. Did someone forget to add a catalyst to the plastic at molding? I'll try to post a few pictures to the list.

I am excited to fly the plane in a few weeks but not redoing the liner. It was the most thankless part of the project... working with your head tilted up and your neck chinked out of whack. It is not even possible to use the old ones for a pattern they are so deformed. MAM is standing behind their product. That has to count.

Bruce G 357R

[Legeorgen]

Brian,

The headliner was a pain to install but it's light and looks terrific and I'm sure it is less work than staring from scratch. I would use it again. That is if it doesn't melt again!!!

Bruce G 357R

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[Legeorgen]

Wayne,

That's good to here you and Howard have not had problems with the head liner. I have to believe the guy who mixed the plastic must have left something out. It was very disappointing to be all done building and then discover you have another days work to repair something that was not necessary

Bruce G 357R.

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[Rick DeCiero]

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After looking at the pictures posted to the site, I would wonder if the reflective insulation that you have in the roof underneath the headliner had something to do with the melting. This may have trapped excessive heat in the roof. One way to check it out is to do some experiments on the old headliner material using an old oven.
Good luck, you'll need it
Rick D.
Legeorgen@cs.com wrote:

Wayne,
That's good to here you and Howard have not had problems with the head liner. I have to believe the guy who mixed the plastic must have left something out. It was very disappointing to be all done building and then discover you have another days work to repair something that was not necessary
Bruce G 357R.

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[Mike Davis]

MAM has the same insulation in the factory Moose with their new plastic interior... I mentioned to Robin when I saw it that Chris Gills had used the same stuff, and Robin said that's where he got the idea to use it in the factory plane.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Rick DeCiero (rsdec1@star.net)
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com (murphy-rebel@dcsol.com)
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: Head liner


Bruce,
After looking at the pictures posted to the site, I would wonder if the reflective insulation that you have in the roof underneath the headliner had something to do with the melting. This may have trapped excessive heat in the roof. One way to check it out is to do some experiments on the old headliner material using an old oven.
Good luck, you'll need it
Rick D.
Legeorgen@cs.com wrote:

Wayne,
That's good to here you and Howard have not had problems with the head liner. I have to believe the guy who mixed the plastic must have left something out. It was very disappointing to be all done building and then discover you have another days work to repair something that was not necessary
Bruce G 357R.

[Mike Davis]

Hi Brian,

Just log into the archive web site... just click on the link at the bottom
of each message if you don't have an account. Once the main page click on
"Files" at the top of the page, then click on "New Files" button when the
files page comes up. Here you will get a listing of all new files in X days
(7 by default). Once the file listing comes up, click on the file name to
see the picture.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lawson" <lawsonb@mnsi.net>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: Head liner

Hey Rick,

,How, exactly, do I access these photos you mention?

TIA

Brian Lawson,
Windsor, Ontario.





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[Legeorgen]

Hi Rick,

I have considered the reflective material might have contributed to the melting of the liner, however I find it still difficult to believe the liner could melt in 94 degree weather even if the reflective material added to the heat. I still keep the reflective in the window waiting for it to get hot again. In the mean time, MAM has offered to replace the liner and are investigating with their supplier.

Bruce G 357R

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