Auto Pilot Questions

[Rick Harper]

Hey guys .....

The silence re my question about the Navaid Autopilot / Wings leveller is DEAFENING !

( does this mean that NO-ONE has fitted one to a Rebel ??? )

Rick & Wendy Harper
541R

[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Sorry Rick, I use my left knee on the stick, for a wing leveller (when I want to play with my wife's knee), instead of flying the plane by hand! You guys, with autopilot, must want to get right into the back seat/cargo area!!!!! :>)

Cheers,
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Harper (rjwh@ozemail.com.au)
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com (murphy-rebel@dcsol.com)
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 3:56 AM
Subject: Auto Pilot Questions


Hey guys .....

The silence re my question about the Navaid Autopilot / Wings leveller is DEAFENING !

( does this mean that NO-ONE has fitted one to a Rebel ??? )

Rick & Wendy Harper
541R

[Legeorgen]

Rick,

I had a wing leveler in a Mooney once. It was handy for cross country, especially when you had to take a leak and wanted to do it in one G. Sorry, I can't help you with the auto pilot. But I've never flown a Bonanza either.

Bruce G

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[Al & Deb Paxhia]

I have a Navaid on the SR and it uses the capstan drive. I would contact Navaid and ask them for the names of the Rebel installations. If your looking at the push tube installation another source of info is the RV gang they seem to be the major installer of the unit. Both of the RV installations I've seen use the push tube.
Good luck,
Al
"Moose" N526AP

----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Harper (rjwh@ozemail.com.au)
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com (murphy-rebel@dcsol.com)
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 12:56 AM
Subject: Auto Pilot Questions


Hey guys .....

The silence re my question about the Navaid Autopilot / Wings leveller is DEAFENING !

( does this mean that NO-ONE has fitted one to a Rebel ??? )

Rick & Wendy Harper
541R

[klehman]

Rick
Take a look in the archives, I'm sure this has been discussed. I believe
I've seen it done with the servo behind the flap mixer arm and a push
rod up to the mixer.
Ken





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[Mike Kimball]

How's it work for you? When I tried to find out about an S-Tek for the SR there were a huge amount of questions. Apparently, there are many different servo speeds to choose from depending on the airplane you are installing the autopilot in. Does Navaid use the same speed servo for all applications? Is it fast enough, or too fast (twitchy) in the SR? Is it adjustable? It takes 6 wires for an S-Tek servo and only three for the Navaid. The servos are driven completely differently. I ran seven wires so that I would have the option and a spare. I think I would like to go ahead and use the Navaid to save money and then I'll have extra wires for cabin lights which I forgot to plan for.

Mike Kimball
SR#044

-----Original Message-----
From: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com [mailto:murphy-rebel@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Al & Deb Paxhia
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 7:38 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Auto Pilot Questions


I have a Navaid on the SR and it uses the capstan drive. I would contact Navaid and ask them for the names of the Rebel installations. If your looking at the push tube installation another source of info is the RV gang they seem to be the major installer of the unit. Both of the RV installations I've seen use the push tube.
Good luck,
Al
"Moose" N526AP

----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Harper (rjwh@ozemail.com.au)
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com (murphy-rebel@dcsol.com)
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 12:56 AM
Subject: Auto Pilot Questions


Hey guys .....

The silence re my question about the Navaid Autopilot / Wings leveller is DEAFENING !

( does this mean that NO-ONE has fitted one to a Rebel ??? )

Rick & Wendy Harper
541R

[Al & Deb Paxhia]

The autopilot is working, but there is a problem. The standard turn rate indicator is a set of LED's they are out of calibration and give a false reading in a left turn. I'm unable to get enough adjustment from the calibration procedure. Other than the turn coordinator mode there are three modes. The first is a wing leveler, does the job, no problems. There is a trim knob that is used to make turns. The second mode is following a course set in the GPS. I have the Navaid coupled to a Gamin Pilot III hand held. Works well, slow at first but after 5 mins or so right on. I have not tried to increase the course deviation setting in the GPS, but that will make the autopilot track faster. The last mode is following a heading, I have not tested that.
The autopilot tests so far have been done when I get bored doing the stuff I should be doing.
This airplane is a dream to fly. Most of the testing so far is with about 800 lb. of load (2500 lb. gross). Takeoff roll is short, on gear tail up before throttle is full in. I tend to push forward hard to get practice in a takeoff roll. She goes up like an elevator in less than 500 ft. Normal takeoff is two notches of flaps, but will takeoff in flap reflex position and at full flaps.
My home airport is 1950 ft and lined with trees on all sides, my first few days of landing here were three to one, that is three go-arounds for each landing. Today it was three landings and no go-arounds. The problem I'm having is power adjustment and stabilizing my approach. I seem to get heavy handed with the throttle but every day things get better. As a new tailwheel pilot the transition has been better that I thought it would be. Watching me land is not pretty but I do stay with it until the wheels stop turning.
Al
"Moose" N526AP
----- Original Message -----

From: Mike Kimball (mkimball@gci.net)
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com (murphy-rebel@dcsol.com)
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 4:05 PM
Subject: RE: Auto Pilot Questions


How's it work for you? When I tried to find out about an S-Tek for the SR there were a huge amount of questions. Apparently, there are many different servo speeds to choose from depending on the airplane you are installing the autopilot in. Does Navaid use the same speed servo for all applications? Is it fast enough, or too fast (twitchy) in the SR? Is it adjustable? It takes 6 wires for an S-Tek servo and only three for the Navaid. The servos are driven completely differently. I ran seven wires so that I would have the option and a spare. I think I would like to go ahead and use the Navaid to save money and then I'll have extra wires for cabin lights which I forgot to plan for.

Mike Kimball
SR#044

-----Original Message-----
From: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com [mailto:murphy-rebel@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Al & Deb Paxhia
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 7:38 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Auto Pilot Questions


I have a Navaid on the SR and it uses the capstan drive. I would contact Navaid and ask them for the names of the Rebel installations. If your looking at the push tube installation another source of info is the RV gang they seem to be the major installer of the unit. Both of the RV installations I've seen use the push tube.
Good luck,
Al
"Moose" N526AP

----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Harper (rjwh@ozemail.com.au)
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com (murphy-rebel@dcsol.com)
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 12:56 AM
Subject: Auto Pilot Questions


Hey guys .....

The silence re my question about the Navaid Autopilot / Wings leveller is DEAFENING !

( does this mean that NO-ONE has fitted one to a Rebel ??? )

Rick & Wendy Harper
541R

[BCROSS2160]

Hello There

No. I know of two Rebels with the Navaid. Arnold in Edmonton, Alberta & Brian in Brampton.

B #328R


At 05:56 PM 5/5/02 +1000, you wrote:

Hey guys .....

The silence re my question about the Navaid Autopilot / Wings leveller is DEAFENING !

( does this mean that NO-ONE has fitted one to a Rebel ??? )

Rick & Wendy Harper
541R

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[Rick Harper]

WOW ....Any chance of finding out if they are on the net ...or a phone number ???

Thanks

Rick & Wendy

Subject: Re: Auto Pilot Questions


Hello There

No. I know of two Rebels with the Navaid. Arnold in Edmonton, Alberta & Brian in Brampton.

B #328R


At 05:56 PM 5/5/02 +1000, you wrote:

Hey guys .....

The silence re my question about the Navaid Autopilot / Wings leveller is DEAFENING !

( does this mean that NO-ONE has fitted one to a Rebel ??? )

Rick & Wendy Harper
541R

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[Terry Dazey]

Here you go Rick:
http://www.navaid-devices.com/index.htm

I don't have any experience with the Navaid Device "wing leveler", but I have several Long-EZ Pals that have the units installed on their bombers. Comments is that they like them very much. If you have ever tried to jot down communication from ATC, take a leak or fold a chart in flight (in an EZ), then I can imagine one of these devices would be great.
For the past 5 years, I have been threatening install one on my EZ. However, with the Rebel project at hand, I think I will wait till later. Ha! Maybe next year.
Have fun!
Your Pilot Pal,
Terry Dazey
Rebel 662

Rick Harper wrote:

WOW ....Any chance of finding out if they are on the net ...or a phone number ??? Thanks Rick & Wendy

[brian amendala]

I put one on my rebel and it works good....Brian....what are your questions?

Sorry Rick, I use my left knee on the stick, for a wing leveller (when I
want to play with my wife's knee), instead of flying the plane by hand! You
guys, with autopilot, must want to get right into the back seat/cargo
area!!!!! :>)

Cheers,
Wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Harper
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 3:56 AM
Subject: Auto Pilot Questions


Hey guys .....

The silence re my question about the Navaid Autopilot / Wings leveller
is DEAFENING !

( does this mean that NO-ONE has fitted one to a Rebel ??? )

Rick & Wendy Harper
541R

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[Rick Harper]

G'day Brian !

I read your other e-mail where you said you put it under the aileron torque tube (I gather you mean the one running down the left hand side of the pilot seat ..yes ?)

Are you able to scan & send ANY photos ?!?!?!?!?!? (a picture really IS worth a million words in cases like these :-)

Many Thanks

Rick & Wendy Harper
541R

Subject: Re: Auto Pilot Questions


I put one on my rebel and it works good....Brian....what are your questions?

Sorry Rick, I use my left knee on the stick, for a wing leveller (when I
want to play with my wife's knee), instead of flying the plane by hand! You
guys, with autopilot, must want to get right into the back seat/cargo
area!!!!! :>)

Cheers,
Wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Harper
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com (murphy-rebel@dcsol.com)
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 3:56 AM
Subject: Auto Pilot Questions


Hey guys .....

The silence re my question about the Navaid Autopilot / Wings leveller
is DEAFENING !

( does this mean that NO-ONE has fitted one to a Rebel ??? )

Rick & Wendy Harper
541R

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[Rick Harper]

G'day Brian !

Do you have ANY photos of your servo & the way you mounted it ?????
(that you could e-mail me).....

Would you mind giving me your phone number so I can ring and speak to you ....?
(and WHAT TIME is best to ring you ?) ....also WHERE are you, so I can figure out the time difference !

We are off on a BIG trip in two & a half weeks...and I'd r..e..a...l...l..y.. like to make this whole thing happen before we go if possible :-)

Many Thanks

Rick & Wendy Harper
16 Tor rd, Dee Why
N.S.W. Australia 2099
Ph: 02 9971 7889
O'seas: 612 9971 7889
Mbl: 0416 041 007
O'seas: 61416 041 007

----- Original Message -----
From: brian amendala (solongez@hotmail.com)
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com (murphy-rebel@dcsol.com)
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: Auto Pilot Questions


I put one on my rebel and it works good....Brian....what are your questions?

Sorry Rick, I use my left knee on the stick, for a wing leveller (when I
want to play with my wife's knee), instead of flying the plane by hand! You
guys, with autopilot, must want to get right into the back seat/cargo
area!!!!! :>)

Cheers,
Wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Harper
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com (murphy-rebel@dcsol.com)
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 3:56 AM
Subject: Auto Pilot Questions


Hey guys .....

The silence re my question about the Navaid Autopilot / Wings leveller
is DEAFENING !

( does this mean that NO-ONE has fitted one to a Rebel ??? )

Rick & Wendy Harper
541R

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[Rick Harper]

G'day Al !

Do you have ANY photos of the installation of the servo motor ??? (that you could e-mail me ) ....a picture is worth a MILLION words in cases like these ! :-)

Many Thanks

Rick & Wendy Harper
16 Tor rd, Dee Why
N.S.W. Australia 2099
Ph: 02 9971 7889
O'seas: 612 9971 7889
Mbl: 0416 041 007
O'seas: 61416 041 007

----- Original Message -----
From: Al & Deb Paxhia (paxhia2@attbi.com)
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com (murphy-rebel@dcsol.com)
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: Auto Pilot Questions


The autopilot is working, but there is a problem. The standard turn rate indicator is a set of LED's they are out of calibration and give a false reading in a left turn. I'm unable to get enough adjustment from the calibration procedure. Other than the turn coordinator mode there are three modes. The first is a wing leveler, does the job, no problems. There is a trim knob that is used to make turns. The second mode is following a course set in the GPS. I have the Navaid coupled to a Gamin Pilot III hand held. Works well, slow at first but after 5 mins or so right on. I have not tried to increase the course deviation setting in the GPS, but that will make the autopilot track faster. The last mode is following a heading, I have not tested that.
The autopilot tests so far have been done when I get bored doing the stuff I should be doing.
This airplane is a dream to fly. Most of the testing so far is with about 800 lb. of load (2500 lb. gross). Takeoff roll is short, on gear tail up before throttle is full in. I tend to push forward hard to get practice in a takeoff roll. She goes up like an elevator in less than 500 ft. Normal takeoff is two notches of flaps, but will takeoff in flap reflex position and at full flaps.
My home airport is 1950 ft and lined with trees on all sides, my first few days of landing here were three to one, that is three go-arounds for each landing. Today it was three landings and no go-arounds. The problem I'm having is power adjustment and stabilizing my approach. I seem to get heavy handed with the throttle but every day things get better. As a new tailwheel pilot the transition has been better that I thought it would be. Watching me land is not pretty but I do stay with it until the wheels stop turning.
Al
"Moose" N526AP
----- Original Message -----

From: Mike Kimball (mkimball@gci.net)
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com (murphy-rebel@dcsol.com)
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 4:05 PM
Subject: RE: Auto Pilot Questions


How's it work for you? When I tried to find out about an S-Tek for the SR there were a huge amount of questions. Apparently, there are many different servo speeds to choose from depending on the airplane you are installing the autopilot in. Does Navaid use the same speed servo for all applications? Is it fast enough, or too fast (twitchy) in the SR? Is it adjustable? It takes 6 wires for an S-Tek servo and only three for the Navaid. The servos are driven completely differently. I ran seven wires so that I would have the option and a spare. I think I would like to go ahead and use the Navaid to save money and then I'll have extra wires for cabin lights which I forgot to plan for.

Mike Kimball
SR#044

-----Original Message-----
From: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com [mailto:murphy-rebel@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Al & Deb Paxhia
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 7:38 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Auto Pilot Questions


I have a Navaid on the SR and it uses the capstan drive. I would contact Navaid and ask them for the names of the Rebel installations. If your looking at the push tube installation another source of info is the RV gang they seem to be the major installer of the unit. Both of the RV installations I've seen use the push tube.
Good luck,
Al
"Moose" N526AP

----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Harper (rjwh@ozemail.com.au)
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com (murphy-rebel@dcsol.com)
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 12:56 AM
Subject: Auto Pilot Questions


Hey guys .....

The silence re my question about the Navaid Autopilot / Wings leveller is DEAFENING !

( does this mean that NO-ONE has fitted one to a Rebel ??? )

Rick & Wendy Harper
541R