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Wayne G. O'Shea

Rebel kit upgrades when ordering from MAM

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:22 pm

Rob, you won't get the material for the FUS-31 doubler included in the kit,
but the SB I created is just a piece of .032 and 3 x 3/16 rivets which
should be. The FUS-31 doubler can be done with a piece of .032 sheet
material also, or the easier way is to get MAM (Murphy Aircraft Mfg) to sell
you another FUS-31 to do the job with and this will leave you enough scrap
.032 to do a lot of other stuff with.

Don't know if Colleen will delete the wing tips and tail wheel from a kit or
not since the kits overall price really lowers the individual value of each
item. All you can do is ask her NICELY and if not the tail wheel can be sold
to someone with a Fisher Celebrity Bi-plane, or similar, as it works good on
one of those! List price on the wing tips is up to approx. $163Cdn each now,
so even if she took that price out for a pair it would cover your extra
material I am talking about here.

Also when ordering your kit ask for 3 x ST28 (front spar for horiz stab)
extra. This will give you the material to build the door sill areas properly
at .032 instead of with the ST-31 .020 channel. IF you won't have easy
access to raw sheet I would also suggest having MAM sell you a piece of .032
sheet about 2' x 4' to upgrade your outer Fus-25's and another piece of .040
about the same size to do your Fus-26's so you have them when the time
comes.

Regards,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

----- Original Message -----
From: <dasstolguy@dcsol.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: Scott Tail wheel

Wayne,

Thanks for the quick reply with more value added than the GST/OPT every
gave me.
Sounds like leaf spring, Scott 3200, grease, and some mods.

About the mods
THE (FUS-31 DOUBLER) "ONTARIO" TAIL WRAP MOD AS WE CALL IT AND THE SERVICE
BULLETIN FOR THE TAIL POST!

When ordering a new Rebel kit
1) Do I get the materials for a FUS-31 Doubler and tailpost service
bulletin?
If not does Murphy swap out stuff from the basic kit such as
keep the tail wheel and wing tips but give me the FUS-31 doubler and some
clecos?
Rob Sexmith
rsexmith@fuse.net



On 12/7/2001 8:26 PM, OIFA@IRISHFIELD.ON.CA wrote to MURPHY-REBEL:

-> Hi Rob! Welcome aboard!
->
-> Put my 2 cents worth below each of your line items below!
->
-> Regard,
-> Wayne G. O'Shea
-> www.irishfield.on.ca
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: <dasstolguy@dcsol.com>
-> To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 8:58 PM
-> Subject: Scott Tail wheel
->
->
-> > I am deciding on features for a Rebel kit before prices go up. The
-> mission is
-> > Intermediate bush (wheels) eventually floats; thinking 8.5-6 main
tires.
-> In
-> > the Aircraft Spruce catalog, Scott tailwheels model 3200 and 3400 are
-> offered.
-> > The catalog states that the 3400 is more heavy duty ?designed for
use
-> with
-> > tube spring mounting?.
-> >
-> > Questions:
-> > 1)
-> > Is tube spring mounting possible on a Rebel? How?
-> YES! I INSTRUCTED GEORGE FROM MAUI, THAT BOUGHT ONE OF MY REBELS, HOW
TO DO
-> SO.
-> YOU NEED TO MACHINE A PIECE TO REPLACE THE SUPPLIED MAM TAIL SPRING
RETAINER
-> PLATES AND THE HORIZONTAL STAB STRUT ATTACH ANGLE BRACKET. FROM ONE
PIECE
-> YOU CAN MACHINE A PIECE TO BOLT ONTO THE TS1'S (OR YOU COULD EVEN MAKE
IT
-> REPLACE THESE ALSO IF GOOD WITH A MILL), PICK UP THE HORIZONTAL STAB
STRUTS
-> AND HAVE A ROUND HOLE DIAMETER TO MATCH THE TAIL WHEEL MOUNT TUBE TO GO
-> THROUGH AND UP TO THE ORIGINAL TAIL SPRING ATTACH MAIN BOLT.
->
-> HONEST OPINION THOUGH IS THAT IT'S NOT WORTH THE WORK IF YOU DO THE
(FUS-31
-> DOUBLER) "ONTARIO" TAIL WRAP MOD AS WE CALL IT AND THE SERVICE BULLETIN
FOR
-> THE TAIL POST!
-> > 2)
-> > Pros cons of tube spring vs leaf spring?
-> GEORGE WANTED IT AS HE READ THAT THE ROD TAIL SPRING ABSORBS MORE
ENERGY AND
-> TRANSFERS LESS SHOCK LOAD TO THE AIRFRAME, IN SIDE LOAD CONDITIONS,
BECAUSE
-> THE ROD CAN FLEX SIDEWAYS, WHERE AS THE 1 3/4" WIDE SPRING IS NOT GOING
TO
-> FLEX IN THAT DIRECTION AND TRANSFERS ALL THE LOADS TO THE TAIL CONE.
->
-> CON IN MY OPINION IS IT'S GOING TO BE A MORE BOBBY/SWAYING RIDE
-> > 3)
-> > Pros cons of model 3200 vs 3400?
-> THE 3400 IS SEALED A LITTLE BETTER, BUT IF YOU KEEP YOUR 3200 WELL
GREASED
-> IT SHOULD KEEP THINGS FLUSHED OUT OF THE MECHANISM
-> > 4)
-> > Tips on matching tailwheel to mains?
-> WOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT IT AS THE ANGLE OF ATTACK, NO MATTER HOW STEEP YOU
GET
-> IT, IS ONLY GOING TO HINDER YOUR TAXI VIEW AND NOTHING ELSE. THE REBEL
WILL
-> DEPART FROM 3 POINT AT ANY ANGLE OF ATTACK YOU CAN GET IT TO SIT AT ON
-> TIRES. CHARLES HAD 29" X 10" ATV TIRES AND A SCOTT 3200 ON HIS. IF YOU
GO
-> LARGE TUNDRA'S YOU MIGHT WANT TO FIND A 10" TAILWHEEL FOR A BETTER VIEW
OVER
-> THE NOSE, BUT NOT NECESSARY AS THE VIEW IS GREAT FOR A TAILDRAGGER
-> > 5)
-> > Would tailwheel selection affect main gear selection ( bungee, coil,
-> spring)?
-> NO!
->
-> >
-> >
-> > Rob Sexmith
-> > Cincinnati to Killarney ON or bust
-> >
-> >
-> >
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-> **
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-> **
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Wayne G. O'Shea

Rebel kit upgrades when ordering from MAM

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:22 pm

ROB AND ALL, THIS SHOULD READ BUY AN EXTRA FUS-30 TAIL WRAP, NOT A FUS-31
THE FUS-31 IS THE PIE SHAPED PLATE THAT THE SERVICE BULLETIN ADDRESSES!
SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION!!! (where are all you guys that usually keep me in
line??)

THE "ONTARIO" DOUBLER IS ON THE FUS-30 NOT THE FUS-31

Pictures are available in the Rebel "Fuselage" section of the dscol files.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 10:14 AM
Subject: Rebel kit upgrades when ordering from MAM

Rob, you won't get the material for the FUS-31 doubler included in the
kit,
but the SB I created is just a piece of .032 and 3 x 3/16 rivets which
should be. The FUS-31 doubler can be done with a piece of .032 sheet
material also, or the easier way is to get MAM (Murphy Aircraft Mfg) to
sell
you another FUS-31 to do the job with and this will leave you enough scrap
.032 to do a lot of other stuff with.

Don't know if Colleen will delete the wing tips and tail wheel from a kit
or
not since the kits overall price really lowers the individual value of
each
item. All you can do is ask her NICELY and if not the tail wheel can be
sold
to someone with a Fisher Celebrity Bi-plane, or similar, as it works good
on
one of those! List price on the wing tips is up to approx. $163Cdn each
now,
so even if she took that price out for a pair it would cover your extra
material I am talking about here.

Also when ordering your kit ask for 3 x ST28 (front spar for horiz stab)
extra. This will give you the material to build the door sill areas
properly
at .032 instead of with the ST-31 .020 channel. IF you won't have easy
access to raw sheet I would also suggest having MAM sell you a piece of
.032
sheet about 2' x 4' to upgrade your outer Fus-25's and another piece of
.040
about the same size to do your Fus-26's so you have them when the time
comes.

Regards,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

----- Original Message -----
From: <dasstolguy@dcsol.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: Scott Tail wheel

Wayne,

Thanks for the quick reply with more value added than the GST/OPT every
gave me.
Sounds like leaf spring, Scott 3200, grease, and some mods.

About the mods
THE (FUS-31 DOUBLER) "ONTARIO" TAIL WRAP MOD AS WE CALL IT AND THE
SERVICE
BULLETIN FOR THE TAIL POST!

When ordering a new Rebel kit
1) Do I get the materials for a FUS-31 Doubler and tailpost service
bulletin?
If not does Murphy swap out stuff from the basic kit such as
keep the tail wheel and wing tips but give me the FUS-31 doubler and
some
clecos?
Rob Sexmith
rsexmith@fuse.net



On 12/7/2001 8:26 PM, OIFA@IRISHFIELD.ON.CA wrote to MURPHY-REBEL:

-> Hi Rob! Welcome aboard!
->
-> Put my 2 cents worth below each of your line items below!
->
-> Regard,
-> Wayne G. O'Shea
-> www.irishfield.on.ca
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: <dasstolguy@dcsol.com>
-> To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 8:58 PM
-> Subject: Scott Tail wheel
->
->
-> > I am deciding on features for a Rebel kit before prices go up.
The
-> mission is
-> > Intermediate bush (wheels) eventually floats; thinking 8.5-6 main
tires.
-> In
-> > the Aircraft Spruce catalog, Scott tailwheels model 3200 and 3400
are
-> offered.
-> > The catalog states that the 3400 is more heavy duty ?designed for
use
-> with
-> > tube spring mounting?.
-> >
-> > Questions:
-> > 1)
-> > Is tube spring mounting possible on a Rebel? How?
-> YES! I INSTRUCTED GEORGE FROM MAUI, THAT BOUGHT ONE OF MY REBELS, HOW
TO DO
-> SO.
-> YOU NEED TO MACHINE A PIECE TO REPLACE THE SUPPLIED MAM TAIL SPRING
RETAINER
-> PLATES AND THE HORIZONTAL STAB STRUT ATTACH ANGLE BRACKET. FROM ONE
PIECE
-> YOU CAN MACHINE A PIECE TO BOLT ONTO THE TS1'S (OR YOU COULD EVEN
MAKE
IT
-> REPLACE THESE ALSO IF GOOD WITH A MILL), PICK UP THE HORIZONTAL STAB
STRUTS
-> AND HAVE A ROUND HOLE DIAMETER TO MATCH THE TAIL WHEEL MOUNT TUBE TO
GO
-> THROUGH AND UP TO THE ORIGINAL TAIL SPRING ATTACH MAIN BOLT.
->
-> HONEST OPINION THOUGH IS THAT IT'S NOT WORTH THE WORK IF YOU DO THE
(FUS-31
-> DOUBLER) "ONTARIO" TAIL WRAP MOD AS WE CALL IT AND THE SERVICE
BULLETIN
FOR
-> THE TAIL POST!
-> > 2)
-> > Pros cons of tube spring vs leaf spring?
-> GEORGE WANTED IT AS HE READ THAT THE ROD TAIL SPRING ABSORBS MORE
ENERGY AND
-> TRANSFERS LESS SHOCK LOAD TO THE AIRFRAME, IN SIDE LOAD CONDITIONS,
BECAUSE
-> THE ROD CAN FLEX SIDEWAYS, WHERE AS THE 1 3/4" WIDE SPRING IS NOT
GOING
TO
-> FLEX IN THAT DIRECTION AND TRANSFERS ALL THE LOADS TO THE TAIL CONE.
->
-> CON IN MY OPINION IS IT'S GOING TO BE A MORE BOBBY/SWAYING RIDE
-> > 3)
-> > Pros cons of model 3200 vs 3400?
-> THE 3400 IS SEALED A LITTLE BETTER, BUT IF YOU KEEP YOUR 3200 WELL
GREASED
-> IT SHOULD KEEP THINGS FLUSHED OUT OF THE MECHANISM
-> > 4)
-> > Tips on matching tailwheel to mains?
-> WOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT IT AS THE ANGLE OF ATTACK, NO MATTER HOW STEEP
YOU
GET
-> IT, IS ONLY GOING TO HINDER YOUR TAXI VIEW AND NOTHING ELSE. THE
REBEL
WILL
-> DEPART FROM 3 POINT AT ANY ANGLE OF ATTACK YOU CAN GET IT TO SIT AT
ON
-> TIRES. CHARLES HAD 29" X 10" ATV TIRES AND A SCOTT 3200 ON HIS. IF
YOU
GO
-> LARGE TUNDRA'S YOU MIGHT WANT TO FIND A 10" TAILWHEEL FOR A BETTER
VIEW
OVER
-> THE NOSE, BUT NOT NECESSARY AS THE VIEW IS GREAT FOR A TAILDRAGGER
-> > 5)
-> > Would tailwheel selection affect main gear selection ( bungee,
coil,
-> spring)?
-> NO!
->
-> >
-> >
-> > Rob Sexmith
-> > Cincinnati to Killarney ON or bust
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> > ** To unsubscribe, send e-mail to list-server@dcsol.com with
-> **
-> > ** UNSUBSCRIBE MURPHY-REBEL in the message body on a line by
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-> **
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-> **
-> > ** To contact the list admin, e-mail mike.davis@dcsol.com
-> **
-> >
-> >
->



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Bob Patterson

Rebel kit upgrades when ordering from MAM

Post by Bob Patterson » Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:22 pm

Hi Rob !

There's no problem deleting the wing and tail tips from the
kit, or the tailwheel - I have sent in several orders for clients
that way. You don't get a great reduction in cost, as the kit represents
a 'package deal', but it gives you some money back to buy the Fife tips
and Scott tailwheel. You should order an extra FUS-30 at the same
time, as well as some extra ST-28 (about 4 pieces) to replace the
ST-31 in the door frames. You can use the leftover ST-31 under the
floor in the baggage area, and under the seats.

I recall sending in at least a couple of orders with NO gear -
they were going straight onto floats !

.....bobp

----------------------------------orig.--------------------------------
At 10:14 AM 12/8/01 -0500, you wrote:
Rob, you won't get the material for the FUS-31 doubler included in the kit,
but the SB I created is just a piece of .032 and 3 x 3/16 rivets which
should be. The FUS-31 doubler can be done with a piece of .032 sheet
material also, or the easier way is to get MAM (Murphy Aircraft Mfg) to sell
you another FUS-31 to do the job with and this will leave you enough scrap
.032 to do a lot of other stuff with.

Don't know if Colleen will delete the wing tips and tail wheel from a kit or
not since the kits overall price really lowers the individual value of each
item. All you can do is ask her NICELY and if not the tail wheel can be sold
to someone with a Fisher Celebrity Bi-plane, or similar, as it works good on
one of those! List price on the wing tips is up to approx. $163Cdn each now,
so even if she took that price out for a pair it would cover your extra
material I am talking about here.

Also when ordering your kit ask for 3 x ST28 (front spar for horiz stab)
extra. This will give you the material to build the door sill areas properly
at .032 instead of with the ST-31 .020 channel. IF you won't have easy
access to raw sheet I would also suggest having MAM sell you a piece of .032
sheet about 2' x 4' to upgrade your outer Fus-25's and another piece of .040
about the same size to do your Fus-26's so you have them when the time
comes.

Regards,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

----- Original Message -----
From: <dasstolguy@dcsol.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: Scott Tail wheel

Wayne,

Thanks for the quick reply with more value added than the GST/OPT every
gave me.
Sounds like leaf spring, Scott 3200, grease, and some mods.

About the mods
THE (FUS-31 DOUBLER) "ONTARIO" TAIL WRAP MOD AS WE CALL IT AND THE SERVICE
BULLETIN FOR THE TAIL POST!

When ordering a new Rebel kit
1) Do I get the materials for a FUS-31 Doubler and tailpost service
bulletin?
If not does Murphy swap out stuff from the basic kit such as
keep the tail wheel and wing tips but give me the FUS-31 doubler and some
clecos?
Rob Sexmith
rsexmith@fuse.net



On 12/7/2001 8:26 PM, OIFA@IRISHFIELD.ON.CA wrote to MURPHY-REBEL:

-> Hi Rob! Welcome aboard!
->
-> Put my 2 cents worth below each of your line items below!
->
-> Regard,
-> Wayne G. O'Shea
-> www.irishfield.on.ca
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: <dasstolguy@dcsol.com>
-> To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 8:58 PM
-> Subject: Scott Tail wheel
->
->
-> > I am deciding on features for a Rebel kit before prices go up. The
-> mission is
-> > Intermediate bush (wheels) eventually floats; thinking 8.5-6 main
tires.
-> In
-> > the Aircraft Spruce catalog, Scott tailwheels model 3200 and 3400 are
-> offered.
-> > The catalog states that the 3400 is more heavy duty ?designed for
use
-> with
-> > tube spring mounting?.
-> >
-> > Questions:
-> > 1)
-> > Is tube spring mounting possible on a Rebel? How?
-> YES! I INSTRUCTED GEORGE FROM MAUI, THAT BOUGHT ONE OF MY REBELS, HOW
TO DO
-> SO.
-> YOU NEED TO MACHINE A PIECE TO REPLACE THE SUPPLIED MAM TAIL SPRING
RETAINER
-> PLATES AND THE HORIZONTAL STAB STRUT ATTACH ANGLE BRACKET. FROM ONE
PIECE
-> YOU CAN MACHINE A PIECE TO BOLT ONTO THE TS1'S (OR YOU COULD EVEN MAKE
IT
-> REPLACE THESE ALSO IF GOOD WITH A MILL), PICK UP THE HORIZONTAL STAB
STRUTS
-> AND HAVE A ROUND HOLE DIAMETER TO MATCH THE TAIL WHEEL MOUNT TUBE TO GO
-> THROUGH AND UP TO THE ORIGINAL TAIL SPRING ATTACH MAIN BOLT.
->
-> HONEST OPINION THOUGH IS THAT IT'S NOT WORTH THE WORK IF YOU DO THE
(FUS-31
-> DOUBLER) "ONTARIO" TAIL WRAP MOD AS WE CALL IT AND THE SERVICE BULLETIN
FOR
-> THE TAIL POST!
-> > 2)
-> > Pros cons of tube spring vs leaf spring?
-> GEORGE WANTED IT AS HE READ THAT THE ROD TAIL SPRING ABSORBS MORE
ENERGY AND
-> TRANSFERS LESS SHOCK LOAD TO THE AIRFRAME, IN SIDE LOAD CONDITIONS,
BECAUSE
-> THE ROD CAN FLEX SIDEWAYS, WHERE AS THE 1 3/4" WIDE SPRING IS NOT GOING
TO
-> FLEX IN THAT DIRECTION AND TRANSFERS ALL THE LOADS TO THE TAIL CONE.
->
-> CON IN MY OPINION IS IT'S GOING TO BE A MORE BOBBY/SWAYING RIDE
-> > 3)
-> > Pros cons of model 3200 vs 3400?
-> THE 3400 IS SEALED A LITTLE BETTER, BUT IF YOU KEEP YOUR 3200 WELL
GREASED
-> IT SHOULD KEEP THINGS FLUSHED OUT OF THE MECHANISM
-> > 4)
-> > Tips on matching tailwheel to mains?
-> WOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT IT AS THE ANGLE OF ATTACK, NO MATTER HOW STEEP YOU
GET
-> IT, IS ONLY GOING TO HINDER YOUR TAXI VIEW AND NOTHING ELSE. THE REBEL
WILL
-> DEPART FROM 3 POINT AT ANY ANGLE OF ATTACK YOU CAN GET IT TO SIT AT ON
-> TIRES. CHARLES HAD 29" X 10" ATV TIRES AND A SCOTT 3200 ON HIS. IF YOU
GO
-> LARGE TUNDRA'S YOU MIGHT WANT TO FIND A 10" TAILWHEEL FOR A BETTER VIEW
OVER
-> THE NOSE, BUT NOT NECESSARY AS THE VIEW IS GREAT FOR A TAILDRAGGER
-> > 5)
-> > Would tailwheel selection affect main gear selection ( bungee, coil,
-> spring)?
-> NO!
->
-> >
-> >
-> > Rob Sexmith
-> > Cincinnati to Killarney ON or bust
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> > ** To unsubscribe, send e-mail to list-server@dcsol.com with
-> **
-> > ** UNSUBSCRIBE MURPHY-REBEL in the message body on a line by itself
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-> **
-> > ** To contact the list admin, e-mail mike.davis@dcsol.com
-> **
-> >
-> >
->



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