Rebel Run to Sun 'n Fun

[Bob Patterson]

Hi Brian !

Just heard from somebody at the club that you're back !
How's the airplane look - sharp, I'll bet !!!

What's wrong with the prop ??? Thought you got a new
Sensenich ... 74 x 58 ??

Clive is flying the Zenith, J 'n J have a 172, Ken's brother
has a Grumman Tiger, and I'll fly the Rebel - unpainted, I guess (sigh) !!
We all cruise in the 110 - 120+ mph range... speed isn't a big thing
on these trips anyway, as the legs aren't long, and there's lots of
time - usually have to wait for weather anyway. Not sure how many
others might join in ...

Hope you can make it - surely there's time for another prop !

(It's looking like we won't get away until Thursday at best ..)


....bobp

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At 04:01 PM 3/24/02 -0500, you wrote:

Hi Bob

What aircraft are the other folks flying i.e. speedwise? My Rebel is laid
up with a lousy prop so I am out of it.

Brian #328R

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Patterson [mailto:bob.patterson@canrem.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 11:30 PM

Subject: Rebel Run to Sun 'n Fun



Hi everybody !!

Finally got this route put together - thanks to Clive
(Yellow Bird) for most of the info !!

AIRPORT IDENT freq hdg
------- ----- ---- ---

Brampton CNC3 123.3
Ele 900 08-26 2500 15-33 3500

St Thomas CVQS 122.7 230
Ele 776 5050/2640/2640 (Fly over ...

Chatham A/P ____ _____
(Fly over ... head South over Pelee

Pelee Island _____ _____
(Fly over - only cross the lake if the VIS
is good - you need a horizon !! There are
airports on most of the islands along the way.
(If vis is bad, either WAIT, or cross at
Port Huron (St. Clair Co.), and detour around
Detroit ....)
OHIO
====
Sandusky (Griffing) SKY 123.0
Ele 580 09-27 3559 18-36 2593 Stop for Customs ! (419) 625-0022 <- check
#

MT Vernon (KNOX CO) 4I3 123.05
Ele 1192 10-28 5001 (possible enroute stop only - slightly off course)

PARR (Zanesville) 42I 122.8
Ele 790 10-28 3100 This is a definite stop - RON if timing suits.
Be sure to visit Paul Workman at Ohio Aircraft
Interiors - he has a nice shop on the field,
and has done all kinds of upholstery and
complete aircraft restorations. A real nice guy !
He can help you get to Super 8, or wherever he
suggests.

Zanesville Muni ZZV 123.0
Ele 900 04-22 5000 16-34 4999 (Use only if Parr isn't possible)

West Virginia
=============
Jackson co (Ravenswood) I18 122.8
Ele 758 04-22 4001 (Fly over, to the east .. head south to Beckley, WV
Easy to spot - next to tall aluminum smelter
chimney.

Raleigh Co Muni(Beckley) BKW 123.0
Ele 2504 01-19 6750 10-28 5000 Fly over - toward Mt. Airey
(could be RON .. On top of a mountain !)

Mercer co (Bluefield) BLF 122.9
(Friendly RON, if necessary. Nice photos in lounge.)

New River Valley (Dublin) PSK 122.7
Ele 2105 06-24 6201 (Fly over - this will lead you through the
Appalachian Mountains in a valley. Definitely
smoother... )

Twin co (Galax/Hillsville) HLX 122.8
(Fly over - follow highway from New River Valley)

North Carolina
==============
Mt. Airey (Surrey Co.) ___ _____
(Aim for here from Beckley - good spot to stop
for fuel, if necessary)

Wilkes co (North Wilkesboro) UKF 122.7
Ele 1300 01-19 5500 (Fly over - usually 90 degree crosswinds !)

Morganton Lenoir MRN 122.7
Ele 1270 03-21 4500 (Fly over ...
(Friendly RON - use car, as towns are 20 miles or so !)
Turn South here ... and over Shelby

Shelby Muni EHO 122.8
Ele 847 05-23 4598 (Keep heading South over Newberry ...

South Carolina
==============
Newberry EOE _____
(Turn South-West ... toward Thomson
- easy navigating - cross long lake ! )
Georgia
=======
Thomson (McDuffie Co.) TH6 _____
(Possible fuel stop ... aim west ..

Kaolin (Sandersville) OK2 _____ Not a stop.
(Aim WEST of this airport - to clear MOA,
then turn South toward ....

Telfair-Wheeler (McRae) MOW _____
(Fly over, straight South

Douglas, GA DQH _____
(Definite RON - friendly FBO, Super 8 across road,
decent restaurants too. Harless Aviation
were part of the Greenland Expedition - lots
of souvenirs to see in office. City now runs
fuel. Nice pilot lounge.

From Douglas, go West, then straight South,
towards Suwanee, FL. - down the west side of
Moody 2 (N & S ) MOA and EAST of Moody AFB
Restricted Area ! Lots of jets - keep your
heading !! This is the only tight spot on
the trip - and no sweat if the areas aren't
active ... (you can go <straight> from Douglas
if they're open !)
Florida
=======
Suwanee (Live Oak) 24J ______ (Fly over ...
(Home of a Rebel .. Phil & Sandy McKenzie -
say Hi if you stop ..

Ocala Taylor OCF 123.0
Ele 89 18-36 6907 08-26 3010 (Great fuel stop - strongly suggest
a fill-up here, as it's a long way
to LAL. Nice lounge. Possible RON -
be careful after dark in town, though.

Zepher Hills ZPH _____
(possible aiming point, but inside TRSA)

Winter Haven (Gilbert Field) GIF ______
(another aiming point - follow abandoned RR track across
the swamp. B & B next to field. Very friendly people.
Could be RON if late, or good spot to fill up before
facing traffic at Lakeland.

Lakeland LAL 124.5
(Be sure to get the arrival procedures from :
www.sun-n-fun.org & watch for traffic !!

....... And you're at Sun 'n Fun !!

Tentative start time Mon. or Tue. - ideally arrive on Thursday (4th)
or Friday (or Saturday ..). The weather can settle in for days at
a time - don't try to push it, especially south of Zanesville, to
the north end of Florida. There can be lots of fog - usually gone
in a day. Watch for afternoon thunderstorms in FL.

The idea of this route is to get east of the mountains at a
low spot, as (mostly) the weather comes in from the west and follows
up the west side of the mountains. They're not very big, compared to
The Rocks, but they can generate some pretty ferocious wave turbulence !
This route has served us well for over 10 years, coming & going, although
others may have different preferences ....

It looks like Anna will not be able to come because of work
schedules, and my Rebel still isn't in the paint shop - BUT ....
we might still make it !! I am definitely planning on flying out
to BC before the Ramble, to get my amphibs installed, so that is
another possible adventure, if anyone wants to fly along !! :-)

Please drop us a note, or phone (905-457-5238) if you have
any questions about the trip ! Hope we can get a fair sized group !

.....bobp & Anna

PS
So far: Yellow Bird, J & J, and Ken Lehman .... any more ??

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[klehman]

Hi
It is looking like a 4 April departure target for us as well. Mike's
Grumman Traveller is CF RRO, blue and white. We are thinking of trying
Guelph to IAG (Niagra Falls) for customs.
Ken

Bob Patterson wrote:

snip

Hi Brian !

Just heard from somebody at the club that you're back !
How's the airplane look - sharp, I'll bet !!!

What's wrong with the prop ??? Thought you got a new
Sensenich ... 74 x 58 ??

Clive is flying the Zenith, J 'n J have a 172, Ken's brother
has a Grumman Tiger, and I'll fly the Rebel - unpainted, I guess (sigh) !!
We all cruise in the 110 - 120+ mph range... speed isn't a big thing
on these trips anyway, as the legs aren't long, and there's lots of
time - usually have to wait for weather anyway. Not sure how many
others might join in ...

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[Bob Patterson]

Thanks Curt !!

I'm passing this on to the list, in case anyone is going that
way. I appreciate the reminder, because I usually pass a couple of
those plants in southern Ohio on my way, too !!

I'll keep a little extra distance, to avoid the escort ! :-)

....bobp

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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 09:17:40 EST
Subject: Re: Rebel Run to Sun 'n Fun
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Hey Bob, If you do the Detroit detour, beware of the Nuke plant south of det
on the river. The warnings have been on and off, so unless you want a F-16
escort stay 2-3 miles away and don't delay in the area. Curt

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[Bob Patterson]

Thanks for the update Ken ! Lots going on right now - it looks
like the Murphy BBQ is ON for the Monday night, at Lakeland South,
as before !! More to follow ...

There's lots of traffic around Niagara Falls, and customs
might be busier, and the countyside's a bit rough getting back over
toward Zanesville ...... but, if you've got a transponder and the
time, I guess it's another route.

Still not sure what I'll be doing - there's even a <tiny>
chance I might be flying a Super Rebel to S 'n F !!! :-)
(Strange things sometimes happen - if you wish hard enough !! ;-) )

.....bobp

----------------------------------orig.-------------------------------
At 08:08 AM 3/25/02 -0500, you wrote:

Hi
It is looking like a 4 April departure target for us as well. Mike's
Grumman Traveller is CF RRO, blue and white. We are thinking of trying
Guelph to IAG (Niagra Falls) for customs.
Ken

Bob Patterson wrote:

snip

Hi Brian !

Just heard from somebody at the club that you're back !
How's the airplane look - sharp, I'll bet !!!

What's wrong with the prop ??? Thought you got a new
Sensenich ... 74 x 58 ??

Clive is flying the Zenith, J 'n J have a 172, Ken's brother
has a Grumman Tiger, and I'll fly the Rebel - unpainted, I guess (sigh) !!
We all cruise in the 110 - 120+ mph range... speed isn't a big thing
on these trips anyway, as the legs aren't long, and there's lots of
time - usually have to wait for weather anyway. Not sure how many
others might join in ...

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[klehman]

Never did meet up with anyone else but thought I'd give a quick report
on our adventure in Mike's Grumman Traveller. Bob's route was helpful
for planning but the only place we actually got to on his list was Ocala
Fla.

Guelph to Niagra Falls on Friday 5 april. Local snow showers at IAG and
about $3.00gal for fuel (ouch). Headed for New London Virginia but got
quite rough over the hills for an hour or so til the clouds broke up
enough that we were able to get on top. New London was interesting with
a downhill strip to the South and prevailing wind from the North. As per
local custom we took off downhill despite the wind. Cheapest gas of the
trip with self serve mogas at about $1.30. Friendly helpful very casual
FBO. No problem camping if we had stayed.

Headed for Baxley Ga. (just short of Douglas). Real southern hospitality
there. Lil gave us the key for the courtesy van and we "camped"
overnight. 24hr. self serve 100ll at $1.70 with a credit card reader on
the pump. Normally $1.90 but discounted for sun n fun. By stopping at
Baxley instead of Douglas we were E. of the restricted zone to the South
next morning. The hotel at Douglas was full anyway.

Sat. morning made a fuel and breakfast stop in Ocala ($2.85gal I think
but there was some sun n fun discount on the weekend in Ocala and LAL)
and then we were in LAL by noon where the controllers tried hard to
sucker us into a landing event by turning us onto base about halfway
down the runway. Then tried to sucker us into turning off the runway at
high speed. There were at least three landing "events" on Sat. (as well
as a fatal one on Fri). Very entertaining to sit and watch arrivals
while listening to the tower. In 2000 the spectators were even holding
up cards at OSK grading the arrivals from 1 to 10!

Camped at end of runway 09? and saw the bottom of some interesting
airplanes go by.

Saw the blue SR2500 with the car tires on it but never saw anyone to
confirm the MAM builder's dinner. We ended up at a most excellant
compground BBQ (for Subaru engine guys) that night hosted by Dave Stroud
from Ottawa.

Left LAL early on Wed as a large front and thunderstorms were starting
to close off Northern Fla. Fueled and had breakfast again in Ocala and
checked weather carefully. Got almost to Telfair Wheeler before the
weather forced us back to Baxley. Lil insisted on throwing lunch on the
BBQ for us. Headed up to Haversham co. Ga. about 70 mi NE of Atlanta
where the sun was shining again. Again treated to more royal hospitality
by Jim at the FBO. Courtesy car and mogas at about $1.65. "Camped" on
the field.

Expected morning sunshine turned out to be rainy MVFR next morning in
upslope conditions with an E. wind. We delayed a bit and eventually
headed West towards Chattanooga. After a half hour we rounded the SW tip
of the hills and headed north as the weather picked up. Climbed high to
get out of the bumps and thermals downwind (NW) of the hills. Past
Knoxville to Ashland Boyd co. for lunch. Courtesy car was out but only
about 5 min walk to good quality local takeout food. 100ll was
reasonable at about $2.35. Portsmouth with an onfield restaurant was
another recommended option about 15 mi NW of Ashland.

Overflew Sandusky and cleared customs in London at about 6 pm. on thurs.
Amazingly we had at least some tailwind for every leg of the entire
trip.

Ken


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