Rivets

rebelair · Post by **rebelair** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:56 pm

Hi There

I had a look at that article a while ago as well and was impressed by
Zenair's quality control. Michael, if I were you, I would go ahead and buy
the aircraft as it is a fantastic airplane. But simply order the kit
without the rivets, obtaining a suitable discount, & then buy the rivets
from Zenair or discuss your rivet purchase with your local Textron Avdel
salesgroup. We have one close by here in Brampton & I found them very
helpful. It was great to actually see information about a product we use so
much of i.e. the 1/8" rivet RV 1410's.

My thoughts any way. You will love the Rebel.

Brian #328R

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From: MWKlsy@aol.com [mailto:MWKlsy@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:35 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re:Rivets

Hi:
As I am a person who so far has not purchased a Murphy Rebel or Elite kit,
I am truly amazed of the level of support that is exchanged here. My goal in
a kit is to build an amphibious, Subaru (EJ-22) powered plane. I think one
of
these planes would do a superb job. My decision is getting easier by the
day.
One of the selling points is the companies stance of using the Avex blind
rivit to ease the construction. I agree..........when they work like they
should. That doesn't seem to be the case at the moment, and I plan to hold
off on a purchase until this is resolved. I too would not be a "Happy
Camper"
if my new kit were supplied with fasteners that did not perform as
advertised.
I have just read a very interesting article written by Chris Heintz. Some
of you have probably already read this. It has some very good information on
blind rivits. The link is:
<A
HREF="http://www.zenithair.com/kit-data/ht-86 ... ">Aircraft
Construction,
Riveted Joints (Part 1 of 2)</A>
Oh, yes......one question........please...... Lets see.........20,000
fasteners for the airframe. And how many for the 1800 amphibs? Thanks in
advance.

sincerely,
Michael Kelsey
Lake
Stevens,Wa
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rebelair · Post by **rebelair** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:56 pm

Hi Ken

Just read your email after sending out identical thoughts. I though the
local pricing of the rivets from Avdel was very good. Sure beats the price
in Aircraft Spruce!

Best Regards

Brian #328R

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Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 12:40 PM
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Subject: Re: Rivets

Michael

Think I have about eleven thousand rivets for the 1800 amphib floats. These
are
tank or sealed rivets and have not been a problem that I'm aware of. The MAM
factory built floats seem to have amazingly good pricing these days though.

You could probably order the Rebel kit without the rivets rather than delay.
About cdn $48. per thousand from Avdel in Toronto. (about US$32.) Believe
Stanfield NC is the American headquarters but think there are numerous
outlets.
www.avdelcherrytextron.com
Ordering without the rivets, or on condition of Avdel/Mattic rivets being
supplied, might speed up a resolution and/or reduce your wait for a kit.

I'm one of several here also hoping to fly with the Ej22 engine.

Ken

MWKlsy@aol.com wrote:

Hi:
As I am a person who so far has not purchased a Murphy Rebel or Elite

kit,

I am truly amazed of the level of support that is exchanged here. My goal

in

a kit is to build an amphibious, Subaru (EJ-22) powered plane. I think one

of

these planes would do a superb job. My decision is getting easier by the

day.

One of the selling points is the companies stance of using the Avex

blind

rivit to ease the construction. I agree..........when they work like they
should. That doesn't seem to be the case at the moment, and I plan to hold
off on a purchase until this is resolved. I too would not be a "Happy

Camper"

if my new kit were supplied with fasteners that did not perform as

advertised.

I have just read a very interesting article written by Chris Heintz.

Some

of you have probably already read this. It has some very good information

on

blind rivits. The link is:
<A
HREF="http://www.zenithair.com/kit-data/ht-86 ... ">Aircraft

Construction,

Riveted Joints (Part 1 of 2)</A>
Oh, yes......one question........please...... Lets see.........20,000
fasteners for the airframe. And how many for the 1800 amphibs? Thanks in
advance.

sincerely,

Michael Kelsey
Lake
Stevens,Wa

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Wayne G. O'Shea · Post by **Wayne G. O'Shea** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:56 pm

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Ian,

Yes, when Rivets Unlimited's stuff was first introduced it worked fairly
good. I built a single wing a few years back when they first changed to RU
as a supplier and they worked fine. If you find that the rivets you have go
into the holes fairly easy(by hand), they are not the bad rivets that RU has
started to produce lately (last 2 years or so) that must be forced into the
holes with the gun 90% of the time.

If you are having problems with the ones you have though (depending who is
paying for the shipping to/from Kangaroo Land) definitely trade them in for
new ones.

Blue skies,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

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From: Ian Donaldson <allsure@primus.com.au>
To: (Murphy Rebel Builders List) <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Sunday, June 04, 2000 8:25 AM
Subject: Rivets

G'day

I am using Rivets Unlimited in the construction of my Rebel and only
very occasionally does one break leaving only a small part of the
mandrel visible.

Can I assume that these rivets are OK, and that the construction already
done to be safe?

Regards

Ian Donaldson

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Bob Patterson · Post by **Bob Patterson** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:56 pm

Yes ! It seems the quality control problem is very erratic, and
several aircraft have been completed, like you, with very few problems !

.....bobp

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G'day

I am using Rivets Unlimited in the construction of my Rebel and only
very occasionally does one break leaving only a small part of the
mandrel visible.

Can I assume that these rivets are OK, and that the construction already
done to be safe?

Regards

Ian Donaldson

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Ian Donaldson · Post by **Ian Donaldson** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:56 pm

G'day

I am using Rivets Unlimited in the construction of my Rebel and only
very occasionally does one break leaving only a small part of the
mandrel visible.

Can I assume that these rivets are OK, and that the construction already
done to be safe?

Regards

Ian Donaldson

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Roger & Alice Hoffman · Post by **Roger & Alice Hoffman** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:56 pm

I've had all my RV-1410's replaced by MAM. They asked me to ship them to the
company's U.S. address in Sumas, Washington. Since this was a U.S. business
address, United Parcel Service guaranteed 2 day delivery at 'UPS Ground'
rates. I tracked it via internet and it did arrive at Sumas in two days.

Doing it this way avoided A LOT of paperwork with UPS. It also avoided a lot
of extra shipping charges. Using MAM's U.S. address, the UPS Ground rate
was less than twenty dollars. That included insurance on the replacement
value for 8,427 rivets. Weight of my package was just under 20 pounds. I had
been quoted in excess of fifty dollars, had I shipped it directly to
Chilliwack.

For some reason though, Elaine told me they would not ship the replacement
rivets until they received my shipment at MAM in Chilliwack. It took several
days for my package to get cleared through Customs. I did not understand why
they wanted to do it this way, because it certainly delayed my progress.

Elaine let me know when they shipped the new rivets, and I had them in about
three days. That was the quickest delivery I had ever had from MAM. Overall,
I was very pleased with the whole process. Yes, it cost me twenty bucks, but
I just closed my vertical stabilizer and I have to say it was well worth it
to have not one rivet "break proud", as Wayne O'Shea likes to say.

Roger Hoffman #687R
Eugene, OR USA

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carol51 · Post by **carol51** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:16 pm

Hi Wayne:

Your fus 31 to fin spar calls for 1612 rivets.I do not have 1612 rivets.
Would you please tell me what others I can use?

Thanks
REBEL 505

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Wayne G. O'Shea · Post by **Wayne G. O'Shea** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:16 pm

I did not type the service bulletin instructions posted on MAM's site, or
draw the doubler for the SB. I only pressed MAM to issue the SB after
repeatedly finding cracked bulkheads or sheared rivets in this area on
customers Rebels. I don't put the relief's in the corners at the tab (as
shown in the SB), as they are not needed to bend a tab up in one direction
(unlike the original bulkhead that has flanges up and down). They also just
give a place to start a crack again!

The rivets should say RV1613 to match what you already have supplied in your
kit.

Regard,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

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Hi Wayne:

Your fus 31 to fin spar calls for 1612 rivets.I do not have 1612 rivets.
Would you please tell me what others I can use?

Thanks
REBEL 505

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carol51 · Post by **carol51** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:16 pm

Hi Wayne:

I did not mean to infer that you wrote the SB.Thank you for the information
and tip as to not having to drill a relief.

All's going well

Regards

REBEL 505

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tjpackard · Post by **tjpackard** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:21 pm

Does anyone have any RV 1619 rivets they want to sell or trade for RV
1613's? I can get by with 100 or so, but would be willing to purchase or
trade for more.

Tom Packard
tjpackard@mmm.com
phone 651-736-9594
SR 043 N111TP

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Ralph Baker · Post by **Ralph Baker** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:52 am

Jean,
They are similar to women. Just because one may look like another you can bet they don't function the same. If you pull a pop rivet by itself you will see the mandrel just pulls down inside the barrel, expanding it. If you pull an Avex you will see the barrel shortens first, expands slightly and only then does the mandrel pull down inside the barrel. Pull a mandrel from each and you will see the pop mandrel is like a finishing nail while the avex has a flat underside (like a mushroom). That is why the Avex shortens first and the pop doesn't.

The advantage is that the Avex expands to completely fill that carefully drilled hole and tends to pull the sheets tighter, the pop doesn't Pop rivets are fine for building Porta Potties (take a look next time) but please use Avex for airplanes.
Regards,
Ralph Baker

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The Halls · Post by **The Halls** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:06 pm

Hi; Iwonder if anyone out there would happen to have eight #5606 stainless rivets. I,ll gladly pay . It seems like too small an order for avdell. Thanks Bob

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TRU-FORM · Post by **TRU-FORM** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:37 pm

Do we know where Murphy gets there rivets ie: Larger sizes 1613

Thanks

Kelly M. Ewing
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