[rebel-builders] Tail wheel for Super Rebel or Murphy Yukon

[Drew Dalgleish]

I built one for my rebel and am very pleased with it. You can get plans
from Bob Barrows ( the bearhawk designer ) for $25 and modify it to suit
your needs.

On 06/09/2011 9:00 PM, Reid Huzzey wrote:

I am looking at purchasing the Iron Design 3.5 X 10" wheel for my kit.
I did not get the Outback Tail kit, that I purchased from Murphy Aircraft in July 2007 for $563.00, so need to find a suitable replacement. I have researched the following providers which are more money, also because some are for certified aircraft.
XP Modification 500 X 5 for $1700.00
Alaskan Bushwheel ABI-3200 4 X 8" $1025.00
ABI-3400 $1550.00
Scott 3400 similar to above
Alaska Tundra 4X4 $750

Now the Iron Design seems to be a reasonably priced option at $656.00

My stinger is 1" in diameter and the mounting is the same as the Super Rebel, and maybe the Moose.
The Iron Design stinger mount is 3/4" diameter. I could get the 3" at the wheel mount end machined down to 3/4". The angle that the rod stinger goes into the tail wheel is normally manufactured at 15 degrees. Then the king pin should be vertical or slightly toe ahead at full gross weight.

Does anyone have experience with this tailwheel?
Any one know what the angle is on the Murphy designed tail wheels?
Advice is most appreciated, better alternatives or do you think this will work?

Reid
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[snowyriver]

I have the 8" version on my rebel, it uses a flat spring. Very limited
time (4.4 hrs!!) but so far it works well with no noticed shimmy. I do
have 2 addn'l hrs taxiing with it and found that I like the handling
better with a slight slack in the chains. Craig


On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 5:00 PM , Reid Huzzey wrote:

I am looking at purchasing the Iron Design 3.5 X 10" wheel for my kit.
I did not get the Outback Tail kit, that I purchased from Murphy
Aircraft in July 2007 for $563.00, so need to find a suitable
replacement. I have researched the following providers which are more
money, also because some are for certified aircraft.
XP Modification 500 X 5 for $1700.00
Alaskan Bushwheel ABI-3200 4 X 8" $1025.00
ABI-3400 $1550.00
Scott 3400 similar to above
Alaska Tundra 4X4 $750

Now the Iron Design seems to be a reasonably priced option at $656.00

My stinger is 1" in diameter and the mounting is the same as the Super
Rebel, and maybe the Moose.
The Iron Design stinger mount is 3/4" diameter. I could get the 3" at
the wheel mount end machined down to 3/4". The angle that the rod
stinger goes into the tail wheel is normally manufactured at 15
degrees. Then the king pin should be vertical or slightly toe ahead at
full gross weight.

Does anyone have experience with this tailwheel?
Any one know what the angle is on the Murphy designed tail wheels?
Advice is most appreciated, better alternatives or do you think this
will work?

Reid Yukon # 0013






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[Bob Andrews]

Reid,

I have a heavy duty tail wheel that's never been used ... only problem is
that it's in my shop in Idaho, and I won't be back there for a few weeks.
If you haven't found a solution by then, shoot me an email ...
robert@montanasky.us ... I'll send you a picture of it, and we'll work out a
price that works for both of us.

Cheers, Bob 612e

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Huzzey
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Subject: [rebel-builders] Tail wheel for Super Rebel or Murphy Yukon

I am looking at purchasing the Iron Design 3.5 X 10" wheel for my kit.
I did not get the Outback Tail kit, that I purchased from Murphy Aircraft in
July 2007 for $563.00, so need to find a suitable replacement. I have
researched the following providers which are more money, also because some
are for certified aircraft.
XP Modification 500 X 5 for $1700.00
Alaskan Bushwheel ABI-3200 4 X 8" $1025.00
ABI-3400 $1550.00
Scott 3400 similar to above
Alaska Tundra 4X4 $750

Now the Iron Design seems to be a reasonably priced option at $656.00

My stinger is 1" in diameter and the mounting is the same as the Super
Rebel, and maybe the Moose.
The Iron Design stinger mount is 3/4" diameter. I could get the 3" at the
wheel mount end machined down to 3/4". The angle that the rod stinger goes
into the tail wheel is normally manufactured at 15 degrees. Then the king
pin should be vertical or slightly toe ahead at full gross weight.

Does anyone have experience with this tailwheel?
Any one know what the angle is on the Murphy designed tail wheels?
Advice is most appreciated, better alternatives or do you think this will
work?

Reid
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[Ted Waltman]

Reid,

I have the 3450 AK Bushwheel and really like it.

You have one more issue to think about though. The swivel-stinger mount
bolts on the Murphy installation are (IIRC) 1 3/16" center-to-center whereas
every other manufacturer that I know of (e.g. Scott, AK Bushwheel, etc) use
1 1/4" center-to-center holes. Hence if your stinger already has holes
drilled you'll have to fill them (weld?) or add bushings or (?) and redrill
them.

Ted

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Huzzey
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 7:00 PM
To: rebel-builders-d@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Tail wheel for Super Rebel or Murphy Yukon

I am looking at purchasing the Iron Design 3.5 X 10" wheel for my kit.
I did not get the Outback Tail kit, that I purchased from Murphy Aircraft in
July 2007 for $563.00, so need to find a suitable replacement. I have
researched the following providers which are more money, also because some
are for certified aircraft.
XP Modification 500 X 5 for $1700.00
Alaskan Bushwheel ABI-3200 4 X 8" $1025.00
ABI-3400 $1550.00
Scott 3400 similar to above
Alaska Tundra 4X4 $750

Now the Iron Design seems to be a reasonably priced option at $656.00

My stinger is 1" in diameter and the mounting is the same as the Super
Rebel, and maybe the Moose.
The Iron Design stinger mount is 3/4" diameter. I could get the 3" at the
wheel mount end machined down to 3/4". The angle that the rod stinger goes
into the tail wheel is normally manufactured at 15 degrees. Then the king
pin should be vertical or slightly toe ahead at full gross weight.

Does anyone have experience with this tailwheel?
Any one know what the angle is on the Murphy designed tail wheels?
Advice is most appreciated, better alternatives or do you think this will
work?

Reid
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[rhuzzey]

Thanks Ted,

My stinger is not drilled for the holes. But it is 1"diameter at the last 3" then tapers some but continues through the tail as 1".
Do you know what the normal angle for the stinger to the horizontal of the tail wheel bearing?

Reid

Sent from my iPad

On 2011-09-07, at 6:15 AM, "Ted Waltman" <ted@vafm.org> wrote:

Reid,

I have the 3450 AK Bushwheel and really like it.

You have one more issue to think about though. The swivel-stinger mount
bolts on the Murphy installation are (IIRC) 1 3/16" center-to-center whereas
every other manufacturer that I know of (e.g. Scott, AK Bushwheel, etc) use
1 1/4" center-to-center holes. Hence if your stinger already has holes
drilled you'll have to fill them (weld?) or add bushings or (?) and redrill
them.

Ted

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Reid
Huzzey
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 7:00 PM
To: rebel-builders-d@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Tail wheel for Super Rebel or Murphy Yukon

I am looking at purchasing the Iron Design 3.5 X 10" wheel for my kit.
I did not get the Outback Tail kit, that I purchased from Murphy Aircraft in
July 2007 for $563.00, so need to find a suitable replacement. I have
researched the following providers which are more money, also because some
are for certified aircraft.
XP Modification 500 X 5 for $1700.00
Alaskan Bushwheel ABI-3200 4 X 8" $1025.00
ABI-3400 $1550.00
Scott 3400 similar to above
Alaska Tundra 4X4 $750

Now the Iron Design seems to be a reasonably priced option at $656.00

My stinger is 1" in diameter and the mounting is the same as the Super
Rebel, and maybe the Moose.
The Iron Design stinger mount is 3/4" diameter. I could get the 3" at the
wheel mount end machined down to 3/4". The angle that the rod stinger goes
into the tail wheel is normally manufactured at 15 degrees. Then the king
pin should be vertical or slightly toe ahead at full gross weight.

Does anyone have experience with this tailwheel?
Any one know what the angle is on the Murphy designed tail wheels?
Advice is most appreciated, better alternatives or do you think this will
work?

Reid
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[rhuzzey]

Bob thanks,

I will consider that, do you know the diameter of the stinger mount.
What make of heavy duty tail wheel is that?
I will wait for the pictures and measurements, thanks again.

Reid


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On 2011-09-06, at 10:24 PM, "Bob Andrews" <robert@montanasky.us> wrote:

Reid,

I have a heavy duty tail wheel that's never been used ... only problem is
that it's in my shop in Idaho, and I won't be back there for a few weeks.
If you haven't found a solution by then, shoot me an email ...
robert@montanasky.us ... I'll send you a picture of it, and we'll work out a
price that works for both of us.

Cheers, Bob 612e

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Reid
Huzzey
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 6:00 PM
To: rebel-builders-d@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Tail wheel for Super Rebel or Murphy Yukon

I am looking at purchasing the Iron Design 3.5 X 10" wheel for my kit.
I did not get the Outback Tail kit, that I purchased from Murphy Aircraft in
July 2007 for $563.00, so need to find a suitable replacement. I have
researched the following providers which are more money, also because some
are for certified aircraft.
XP Modification 500 X 5 for $1700.00
Alaskan Bushwheel ABI-3200 4 X 8" $1025.00
ABI-3400 $1550.00
Scott 3400 similar to above
Alaska Tundra 4X4 $750

Now the Iron Design seems to be a reasonably priced option at $656.00

My stinger is 1" in diameter and the mounting is the same as the Super
Rebel, and maybe the Moose.
The Iron Design stinger mount is 3/4" diameter. I could get the 3" at the
wheel mount end machined down to 3/4". The angle that the rod stinger goes
into the tail wheel is normally manufactured at 15 degrees. Then the king
pin should be vertical or slightly toe ahead at full gross weight.

Does anyone have experience with this tailwheel?
Any one know what the angle is on the Murphy designed tail wheels?
Advice is most appreciated, better alternatives or do you think this will
work?

Reid
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[rhuzzey]

Thanks Craig, I have not heard any negative co mets about Iron Design tail wheels.
still evaluating and Scott was sending me some more measurement information on his mounting bracket and wheel.

Reid

Sent from my iPad

On 2011-09-06, at 9:54 PM, snowyriver@ak.net wrote:

I have the 8" version on my rebel, it uses a flat spring. Very limited
time (4.4 hrs!!) but so far it works well with no noticed shimmy. I do
have 2 addn'l hrs taxiing with it and found that I like the handling
better with a slight slack in the chains. Craig


On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 5:00 PM , Reid Huzzey wrote:

I am looking at purchasing the Iron Design 3.5 X 10" wheel for my kit.
I did not get the Outback Tail kit, that I purchased from Murphy
Aircraft in July 2007 for $563.00, so need to find a suitable
replacement. I have researched the following providers which are more
money, also because some are for certified aircraft.
XP Modification 500 X 5 for $1700.00
Alaskan Bushwheel ABI-3200 4 X 8" $1025.00
ABI-3400 $1550.00
Scott 3400 similar to above
Alaska Tundra 4X4 $750

Now the Iron Design seems to be a reasonably priced option at $656.00

My stinger is 1" in diameter and the mounting is the same as the Super
Rebel, and maybe the Moose.
The Iron Design stinger mount is 3/4" diameter. I could get the 3" at
the wheel mount end machined down to 3/4". The angle that the rod
stinger goes into the tail wheel is normally manufactured at 15
degrees. Then the king pin should be vertical or slightly toe ahead at
full gross weight.

Does anyone have experience with this tailwheel?
Any one know what the angle is on the Murphy designed tail wheels?
Advice is most appreciated, better alternatives or do you think this
will work?

Reid Yukon # 0013






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[rhuzzey]

Hi Drew

I have already made too many parts in my mind unneccesarily.
I only have a band saw and drill press, so not up to anything to complex.

Thanks
Reid


Sent from my iPad

On 2011-09-06, at 7:43 PM, Drew Dalgleish <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca> wrote:

I built one for my rebel and am very pleased with it. You can get plans
from Bob Barrows ( the bearhawk designer ) for $25 and modify it to suit
your needs.

On 06/09/2011 9:00 PM, Reid Huzzey wrote:

I am looking at purchasing the Iron Design 3.5 X 10" wheel for my kit.
I did not get the Outback Tail kit, that I purchased from Murphy Aircraft in July 2007 for $563.00, so need to find a suitable replacement. I have researched the following providers which are more money, also because some are for certified aircraft.
XP Modification 500 X 5 for $1700.00
Alaskan Bushwheel ABI-3200 4 X 8" $1025.00
ABI-3400 $1550.00
Scott 3400 similar to above
Alaska Tundra 4X4 $750

Now the Iron Design seems to be a reasonably priced option at $656.00

My stinger is 1" in diameter and the mounting is the same as the Super Rebel, and maybe the Moose.
The Iron Design stinger mount is 3/4" diameter. I could get the 3" at the wheel mount end machined down to 3/4". The angle that the rod stinger goes into the tail wheel is normally manufactured at 15 degrees. Then the king pin should be vertical or slightly toe ahead at full gross weight.

Does anyone have experience with this tailwheel?
Any one know what the angle is on the Murphy designed tail wheels?
Advice is most appreciated, better alternatives or do you think this will work?

Reid
Yukon # 0013






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[Ron Shannon]

I have 157 hrs. on the 8" Iron Design tailwheel. Love it.

Ron
254R


On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 7:40 PM, <rhuzzey@telus.net> wrote:

Thanks Craig, I have not heard any negative co mets about Iron Design tail
wheels.
still evaluating and Scott was sending me some more measurement information
on his mounting bracket and wheel.

Reid

Sent from my iPad

On 2011-09-06, at 9:54 PM, snowyriver@ak.net wrote:

I have the 8" version on my rebel, it uses a flat spring. Very limited
time (4.4 hrs!!) but so far it works well with no noticed shimmy. I do
have 2 addn'l hrs taxiing with it and found that I like the handling
better with a slight slack in the chains. Craig

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[Ted Waltman]

Reid,

I'm not sure what "normal" is as such depends on tire sizes, but I believe
most folks might have the stinger mounted in the 2nd hole up from the
bottom. Start there and evaluate the angle of your swivel bolt.

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
rhuzzey@telus.net
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 8:35 PM
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Tail wheel for Super Rebel or Murphy Yukon

Thanks Ted,

My stinger is not drilled for the holes. But it is 1"diameter at the last 3"
then tapers some but continues through the tail as 1".
Do you know what the normal angle for the stinger to the horizontal of the
tail wheel bearing?

Reid

Sent from my iPad

On 2011-09-07, at 6:15 AM, "Ted Waltman" <ted@vafm.org> wrote:

Reid,

I have the 3450 AK Bushwheel and really like it.

You have one more issue to think about though. The swivel-stinger mount
bolts on the Murphy installation are (IIRC) 1 3/16" center-to-center

whereas

every other manufacturer that I know of (e.g. Scott, AK Bushwheel, etc)

use

1 1/4" center-to-center holes. Hence if your stinger already has holes
drilled you'll have to fill them (weld?) or add bushings or (?) and

redrill

them.

Ted

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Reid
Huzzey
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 7:00 PM
To: rebel-builders-d@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Tail wheel for Super Rebel or Murphy Yukon

I am looking at purchasing the Iron Design 3.5 X 10" wheel for my kit.
I did not get the Outback Tail kit, that I purchased from Murphy Aircraft

in

July 2007 for $563.00, so need to find a suitable replacement. I have
researched the following providers which are more money, also because some
are for certified aircraft.
XP Modification 500 X 5 for $1700.00
Alaskan Bushwheel ABI-3200 4 X 8" $1025.00
ABI-3400 $1550.00
Scott 3400 similar to above
Alaska Tundra 4X4 $750

Now the Iron Design seems to be a reasonably priced option at $656.00

My stinger is 1" in diameter and the mounting is the same as the Super
Rebel, and maybe the Moose.
The Iron Design stinger mount is 3/4" diameter. I could get the 3" at the
wheel mount end machined down to 3/4". The angle that the rod stinger

goes

into the tail wheel is normally manufactured at 15 degrees. Then the king
pin should be vertical or slightly toe ahead at full gross weight.

Does anyone have experience with this tailwheel?
Any one know what the angle is on the Murphy designed tail wheels?
Advice is most appreciated, better alternatives or do you think this will
work?

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