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Jones, Michael

[rebel-builders] shaking

Post by Jones, Michael » Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:50 pm

Perhaps the door under the wing is the problem, your disrupting the
clean air flow for over 2 bays ??

Cheers

mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
karl hipp
Sent: May 4, 2011 10:55 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] shaking

does anyone have a cure for flying with the door open and avoiding the
"shakes"?

I converted my Rebel to gull wing doors. I have a latch pin to hold the
door open against the bottom of the wing so the door remains in place.
I installed a solid plywood bulkhead at the second bulkhead point behind

the seats.

There is a constant shaking and bad yaw if I attempt to fly with the
door open.

I have not tried opening both doors. Usually the shaking is so bad that
I cannot convince the passenger that opening that door would be a good
thing. They are usually "asking" me to close my door.

Karl Hipp











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karl hipp

[rebel-builders] shaking

Post by karl hipp » Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:50 pm

I tried with the door OFF--same result.

On 5/4/2011 9:04 AM, Jones, Michael wrote:
Perhaps the door under the wing is the problem, your disrupting the
clean air flow for over 2 bays ??

Cheers

mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
karl hipp
Sent: May 4, 2011 10:55 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] shaking

does anyone have a cure for flying with the door open and avoiding the
"shakes"?

I converted my Rebel to gull wing doors. I have a latch pin to hold the
door open against the bottom of the wing so the door remains in place.
I installed a solid plywood bulkhead at the second bulkhead point behind

the seats.

There is a constant shaking and bad yaw if I attempt to fly with the
door open.

I have not tried opening both doors. Usually the shaking is so bad that
I cannot convince the passenger that opening that door would be a good
thing. They are usually "asking" me to close my door.

Karl Hipp











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Bob Patterson

[rebel-builders] shaking

Post by Bob Patterson » Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:50 pm

Hi Karl !

You are right - just open the other door !! :-)
There will still be some buffet, but at least it will be
balanced. ;-)

It's the same with opening windows - better with
both open. (NEVER better with WinDoze !! ;-) )

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On May 4, 2011 10:54:37 am karl hipp wrote:
does anyone have a cure for flying with the door open and avoiding the
"shakes"?

I converted my Rebel to gull wing doors. I have a latch pin to hold the
door open against the bottom of the wing so the door remains in place.
I installed a solid plywood bulkhead at the second bulkhead point behind
the seats.

There is a constant shaking and bad yaw if I attempt to fly with the
door open.

I have not tried opening both doors. Usually the shaking is so bad that
I cannot convince the passenger that opening that door would be a good
thing. They are usually "asking" me to close my door.

Karl Hipp


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Jones, Michael

[rebel-builders] shaking

Post by Jones, Michael » Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:50 pm

Perhaps something to stiffen all the panels in the fuselage, insulation,
make sure tail cone is not leaking air through it, etc
know others have flow with doors off so there must be answers out there,
maybe on the web site
cheers

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
karl hipp
Sent: May 4, 2011 11:16 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] shaking

I tried with the door OFF--same result.

On 5/4/2011 9:04 AM, Jones, Michael wrote:
Perhaps the door under the wing is the problem, your disrupting the
clean air flow for over 2 bays ??

Cheers

mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
karl hipp
Sent: May 4, 2011 10:55 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] shaking

does anyone have a cure for flying with the door open and avoiding the
"shakes"?

I converted my Rebel to gull wing doors. I have a latch pin to hold
the
door open against the bottom of the wing so the door remains in place.
I installed a solid plywood bulkhead at the second bulkhead point
behind
the seats.

There is a constant shaking and bad yaw if I attempt to fly with the
door open.

I have not tried opening both doors. Usually the shaking is so bad
that
I cannot convince the passenger that opening that door would be a good
thing. They are usually "asking" me to close my door.

Karl Hipp











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Miller, Ross W

[rebel-builders] shaking

Post by Miller, Ross W » Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:50 pm

Have you tried it with both doors removed - no passenger?


----- Original Message -----
From: karl hipp [mailto:khipp@99victor.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 11:15 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] shaking

I tried with the door OFF--same result.

On 5/4/2011 9:04 AM, Jones, Michael wrote:
Perhaps the door under the wing is the problem, your disrupting the
clean air flow for over 2 bays ??

Cheers

mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
karl hipp
Sent: May 4, 2011 10:55 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] shaking

does anyone have a cure for flying with the door open and avoiding the
"shakes"?

I converted my Rebel to gull wing doors. I have a latch pin to hold the
door open against the bottom of the wing so the door remains in place.
I installed a solid plywood bulkhead at the second bulkhead point behind

the seats.

There is a constant shaking and bad yaw if I attempt to fly with the
door open.

I have not tried opening both doors. Usually the shaking is so bad that
I cannot convince the passenger that opening that door would be a good
thing. They are usually "asking" me to close my door.

Karl Hipp











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Dick Wampach

[rebel-builders] shaking

Post by Dick Wampach » Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:50 pm

Some of the "jumper" planes add a small deflector at the normal hinge point,
2 or 3" and mounted at about 30* - 45* to the fuselage.

Dick Wampach SR-108



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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Patterson
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 8:22 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] shaking



Hi Karl !

You are right - just open the other door !! :-)
There will still be some buffet, but at least it will be
balanced. ;-)

It's the same with opening windows - better with
both open. (NEVER better with WinDoze !! ;-) )

--

......bobp
bobp@prosumers.ca
bobp@pattersys.com
http://www.Pattersys.com
http://www.amway.ca/BobPatterson

De-fenestrate now ! Linux is the answer !

Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender
and do not necessarily reflect the views of any other entities or persons.
Any action taken as a result of the contents of this email is totally the
responsibility of the reader.

http://www.danasoft.com/sig/pssignTux.jpg
On May 4, 2011 10:54:37 am karl hipp wrote:
does anyone have a cure for flying with the door open and avoiding the
"shakes"?

I converted my Rebel to gull wing doors. I have a latch pin to hold
the door open against the bottom of the wing so the door remains in
place. I installed a solid plywood bulkhead at the second bulkhead
point behind the seats.

There is a constant shaking and bad yaw if I attempt to fly with the
door open.

I have not tried opening both doors. Usually the shaking is so bad
that I cannot convince the passenger that opening that door would be a
good thing. They are usually "asking" me to close my door.

Karl Hipp


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Dick Wampach

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Post by Dick Wampach » Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:50 pm

Keep in mind if the passenger is complaining --- have him step out! Or
forever hold his silence...

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Miller, Ross W
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 8:22 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] shaking


Have you tried it with both doors removed - no passenger?


----- Original Message -----
From: karl hipp [mailto:khipp@99victor.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 11:15 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] shaking

I tried with the door OFF--same result.

On 5/4/2011 9:04 AM, Jones, Michael wrote:
Perhaps the door under the wing is the problem, your disrupting the
clean air flow for over 2 bays ??

Cheers

mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
karl hipp
Sent: May 4, 2011 10:55 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] shaking

does anyone have a cure for flying with the door open and avoiding the
"shakes"?

I converted my Rebel to gull wing doors. I have a latch pin to hold
the door open against the bottom of the wing so the door remains in
place. I installed a solid plywood bulkhead at the second bulkhead
point behind

the seats.

There is a constant shaking and bad yaw if I attempt to fly with the
door open.

I have not tried opening both doors. Usually the shaking is so bad
that I cannot convince the passenger that opening that door would be a
good thing. They are usually "asking" me to close my door.

Karl Hipp











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karl hipp

[rebel-builders] shaking

Post by karl hipp » Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:50 pm

not tried that

On 5/4/2011 9:22 AM, Miller, Ross W wrote:
Have you tried it with both doors removed - no passenger?


----- Original Message -----
From: karl hipp [mailto:khipp@99victor.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 11:15 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] shaking

I tried with the door OFF--same result.

On 5/4/2011 9:04 AM, Jones, Michael wrote:
Perhaps the door under the wing is the problem, your disrupting the
clean air flow for over 2 bays ??

Cheers

mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
karl hipp
Sent: May 4, 2011 10:55 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] shaking

does anyone have a cure for flying with the door open and avoiding the
"shakes"?

I converted my Rebel to gull wing doors. I have a latch pin to hold the
door open against the bottom of the wing so the door remains in place.
I installed a solid plywood bulkhead at the second bulkhead point behind

the seats.

There is a constant shaking and bad yaw if I attempt to fly with the
door open.

I have not tried opening both doors. Usually the shaking is so bad that
I cannot convince the passenger that opening that door would be a good
thing. They are usually "asking" me to close my door.

Karl Hipp











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Miller, Ross W

[rebel-builders] shaking

Post by Miller, Ross W » Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:50 pm

I've found in "test flying" that you can concentrate on what the airplane/systems are doing when there isn't a "high frequency noise generator" in the other seat :) !


----- Original Message -----
From: karl hipp [mailto:khipp@99victor.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 11:55 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] shaking

not tried that

On 5/4/2011 9:22 AM, Miller, Ross W wrote:
Have you tried it with both doors removed - no passenger?


----- Original Message -----
From: karl hipp [mailto:khipp@99victor.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 11:15 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] shaking

I tried with the door OFF--same result.

On 5/4/2011 9:04 AM, Jones, Michael wrote:
Perhaps the door under the wing is the problem, your disrupting the
clean air flow for over 2 bays ??

Cheers

mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
karl hipp
Sent: May 4, 2011 10:55 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] shaking

does anyone have a cure for flying with the door open and avoiding the
"shakes"?

I converted my Rebel to gull wing doors. I have a latch pin to hold the
door open against the bottom of the wing so the door remains in place.
I installed a solid plywood bulkhead at the second bulkhead point behind

the seats.

There is a constant shaking and bad yaw if I attempt to fly with the
door open.

I have not tried opening both doors. Usually the shaking is so bad that
I cannot convince the passenger that opening that door would be a good
thing. They are usually "asking" me to close my door.

Karl Hipp











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