[rebel-builders] Tank rivets

[Ted Waltman]

Hanson rivet supply has everything you mention Garry. Their reference
charts let you pick the right length based on thickness of material. Here's
the link to their tank rivets: http://www.hansonrivet.com/w22.htm

Ted

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Garry
Wright
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:21 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] tank rivets

I find in the archives reference to tank rivets as RR6403 - this is the
1/8" normally used for the fuel tanks.

I would also like to get some 5/32" and 3/16" tank rivets (for floats).
Not sure they exist.

Some suppliers do not recognize this designation and seem to need a 4
digit number like 16xx in front in place of the RR.

Anyone have useful info on this.

Garry
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[Garry Wright]

Thanks Ted. Any info on using the aluminum mandrel type? Breakoff
characteristics and such?

Garry

Ted Waltman wrote:

Hanson rivet supply has everything you mention Garry. Their reference
charts let you pick the right length based on thickness of material. Here's
the link to their tank rivets: http://www.hansonrivet.com/w22.htm

Ted

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Wright
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:21 AM
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Subject: [rebel-builders] tank rivets

I find in the archives reference to tank rivets as RR6403 - this is the
1/8" normally used for the fuel tanks.

I would also like to get some 5/32" and 3/16" tank rivets (for floats).
Not sure they exist.

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digit number like 16xx in front in place of the RR.

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Garry
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[Ted Waltman]

No, I've used only the aluminum rivet with the steel mandrel. Pricey (e.g.
like $50+ per thousand) but seem to work Ok. Some break off and have to
later but trimmed with a dremel, but I had that problem too with ones I got
from Murphy. Sometimes it helps when I adjust my rivet gun(s), but
sometimes no matter what I try a few rivet mandrels break off half-way or
so.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Garry
Wright
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:36 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] tank rivets

Thanks Ted. Any info on using the aluminum mandrel type? Breakoff
characteristics and such?

Garry

Ted Waltman wrote:

Hanson rivet supply has everything you mention Garry. Their reference
charts let you pick the right length based on thickness of material.

Here's

the link to their tank rivets: http://www.hansonrivet.com/w22.htm

Ted

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Garry

Wright
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:21 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] tank rivets

I find in the archives reference to tank rivets as RR6403 - this is the
1/8" normally used for the fuel tanks.

I would also like to get some 5/32" and 3/16" tank rivets (for floats).
Not sure they exist.

Some suppliers do not recognize this designation and seem to need a 4
digit number like 16xx in front in place of the RR.

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[Garry Wright]

Thanks again Ted. I'll be down in Phoenix soon - wx here terrible. Will
order when I get down there. Shipping is way cheaper than getting them
sent up here.

Garry

Ted Waltman wrote:

No, I've used only the aluminum rivet with the steel mandrel. Pricey (e.g.
like $50+ per thousand) but seem to work Ok. Some break off and have to
later but trimmed with a dremel, but I had that problem too with ones I got
from Murphy. Sometimes it helps when I adjust my rivet gun(s), but
sometimes no matter what I try a few rivet mandrels break off half-way or
so.

Ted

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Garry
Wright
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:36 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] tank rivets

Thanks Ted. Any info on using the aluminum mandrel type? Breakoff
characteristics and such?

Garry

Ted Waltman wrote:

Hanson rivet supply has everything you mention Garry. Their reference
charts let you pick the right length based on thickness of material.

Here's

the link to their tank rivets: http://www.hansonrivet.com/w22.htm

Ted

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Garry

Wright
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:21 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] tank rivets

I find in the archives reference to tank rivets as RR6403 - this is the
1/8" normally used for the fuel tanks.

I would also like to get some 5/32" and 3/16" tank rivets (for floats).
Not sure they exist.

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digit number like 16xx in front in place of the RR.

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[Jeff Micheal]

Garry,

The numbers used in the MAM build manual is from Mattic
http://www.mattic.ca/rivets.html or you just let me know which numbers you
need and I can take a look.

Cheers,
Jeff


On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Garry Wright <wright.garry30@gmail.com>wrote:

Thanks again Ted. I'll be down in Phoenix soon - wx here terrible. Will
order when I get down there. Shipping is way cheaper than getting them
sent up here.

Garry

Ted Waltman wrote:

No, I've used only the aluminum rivet with the steel mandrel. Pricey

(e.g.

like $50+ per thousand) but seem to work Ok. Some break off and have to
later but trimmed with a dremel, but I had that problem too with ones I

got

from Murphy. Sometimes it helps when I adjust my rivet gun(s), but
sometimes no matter what I try a few rivet mandrels break off half-way or
so.

Ted

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of

Garry

Wright
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:36 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] tank rivets

Thanks Ted. Any info on using the aluminum mandrel type? Breakoff
characteristics and such?

Garry

Ted Waltman wrote:

Hanson rivet supply has everything you mention Garry. Their reference
charts let you pick the right length based on thickness of material.

Here's

the link to their tank rivets: http://www.hansonrivet.com/w22.htm

Ted

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Garry

Wright
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:21 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] tank rivets

I find in the archives reference to tank rivets as RR6403 - this is the
1/8" normally used for the fuel tanks.

I would also like to get some 5/32" and 3/16" tank rivets (for floats).
Not sure they exist.

Some suppliers do not recognize this designation and seem to need a 4
digit number like 16xx in front in place of the RR.

Anyone have useful info on this.

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[ray.mason]

Mattic is very good to deal with. I have used them the last couple of months.
The tank rivets are not AVEX as AVEX doesn't make a closed rivet and I am
not sure who makes them for Mattic. I also have had problems with the
mandrels breaking. I think the main problem for this is that the hole is to
tight. I found if you pull them manually they don't break as much, but the
best way would probably re drill the hole if the rivit is hard to get in.


On 10/9/2009 7:50 AM, westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com wrote to rebel-
builders:

-> Garry,
->
-> The numbers used in the MAM build manual is from Mattic
-> http://www.mattic.ca/rivets.html or you just let me know which numbers
you
-> need and I can take a look.
->
-> Cheers,
-> Jeff
->
->
-> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Garry Wright
<wright.garry30@gmail.com>wrote:
->
-> > Thanks again Ted. I'll be down in Phoenix soon - wx here terrible. Will
-> > order when I get down there. Shipping is way cheaper than getting
them
-> > sent up here.
-> >
-> > Garry
-> >
-> > Ted Waltman wrote:
-> > > No, I've used only the aluminum rivet with the steel mandrel. Pricey
-> > (e.g.
-> > > like $50+ per thousand) but seem to work Ok. Some break off and
have to
-> > > later but trimmed with a dremel, but I had that problem too with
ones I
-> > got
-> > > from Murphy. Sometimes it helps when I adjust my rivet gun(s), but
-> > > sometimes no matter what I try a few rivet mandrels break off half-
way or
-> > > so.
-> > >
-> > > Ted
-> > >
-> > > -----Original Message-----
-> > > From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On
Behalf Of
-> > Garry
-> > > Wright
-> > > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:36 AM
-> > > To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > > Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] tank rivets
-> > >
-> > > Thanks Ted. Any info on using the aluminum mandrel type? Breakoff
-> > > characteristics and such?
-> > >
-> > > Garry
-> > >
-> > > Ted Waltman wrote:
-> > >
-> > >> Hanson rivet supply has everything you mention Garry. Their
reference
-> > >> charts let you pick the right length based on thickness of material.
-> > >>
-> > > Here's
-> > >
-> > >> the link to their tank rivets: http://www.hansonrivet.com/w22.htm
-> > >>
-> > >> Ted
-> > >>
-> > >> -----Original Message-----
-> > >> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On
Behalf Of
-> > >>
-> > > Garry
-> > >
-> > >> Wright
-> > >> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:21 AM
-> > >> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > >> Subject: [rebel-builders] tank rivets
-> > >>
-> > >> I find in the archives reference to tank rivets as RR6403 - this is the
-> > >> 1/8" normally used for the fuel tanks.
-> > >>
-> > >> I would also like to get some 5/32" and 3/16" tank rivets (for
floats).
-> > >> Not sure they exist.
-> > >>
-> > >> Some suppliers do not recognize this designation and seem to need
a 4
-> > >> digit number like 16xx in front in place of the RR.
-> > >>
-> > >> Anyone have useful info on this.
-> > >>
-> > >> Garry
-> > >> FOKM
-> > >>
-> > >>
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[Garry Wright]

Thanks Jeff. That page doesn't go any further - ie the links to details
don't appear to exist - for me at least. Do you have to talk to them?

Garry

Jeff Micheal wrote:

Garry,

The numbers used in the MAM build manual is from Mattic
http://www.mattic.ca/rivets.html or you just let me know which numbers you
need and I can take a look.

Cheers,
Jeff


On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Garry Wright <wright.garry30@gmail.com>wrote:

Thanks again Ted. I'll be down in Phoenix soon - wx here terrible. Will
order when I get down there. Shipping is way cheaper than getting them
sent up here.

Garry

Ted Waltman wrote:

No, I've used only the aluminum rivet with the steel mandrel. Pricey

(e.g.

like $50+ per thousand) but seem to work Ok. Some break off and have to
later but trimmed with a dremel, but I had that problem too with ones I

got

from Murphy. Sometimes it helps when I adjust my rivet gun(s), but
sometimes no matter what I try a few rivet mandrels break off half-way or
so.

Ted

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Thanks Ted. Any info on using the aluminum mandrel type? Breakoff
characteristics and such?

Garry

Ted Waltman wrote:

Here's

Garry

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[Garry Wright]

Thanks Ray. I've never had a problem with mandrels breaking off ---
yet.... The broken off ones were done by others and I suspect,
because of the awkwardness of the typical location that it might be side
loading on the puller. A straight pull doesn't seem to generate that
problem.

Garry

ray.mason@dcsol.com wrote:

Mattic is very good to deal with. I have used them the last couple of months.
The tank rivets are not AVEX as AVEX doesn't make a closed rivet and I am
not sure who makes them for Mattic. I also have had problems with the
mandrels breaking. I think the main problem for this is that the hole is to
tight. I found if you pull them manually they don't break as much, but the
best way would probably re drill the hole if the rivit is hard to get in.


On 10/9/2009 7:50 AM, westcoastkitplanes@gmail.com wrote to rebel-
builders:

-> Garry,
->
-> The numbers used in the MAM build manual is from Mattic
-> http://www.mattic.ca/rivets.html or you just let me know which numbers
you
-> need and I can take a look.
->
-> Cheers,
-> Jeff
->
->
-> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Garry Wright
<wright.garry30@gmail.com>wrote:
->
-> > Thanks again Ted. I'll be down in Phoenix soon - wx here terrible. Will
-> > order when I get down there. Shipping is way cheaper than getting
them
-> > sent up here.
-> >
-> > Garry
-> >
-> > Ted Waltman wrote:
-> > > No, I've used only the aluminum rivet with the steel mandrel. Pricey
-> > (e.g.
-> > > like $50+ per thousand) but seem to work Ok. Some break off and
have to
-> > > later but trimmed with a dremel, but I had that problem too with
ones I
-> > got
-> > > from Murphy. Sometimes it helps when I adjust my rivet gun(s), but
-> > > sometimes no matter what I try a few rivet mandrels break off half-
way or
-> > > so.
-> > >
-> > > Ted
-> > >
-> > > -----Original Message-----
-> > > From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On
Behalf Of
-> > Garry
-> > > Wright
-> > > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:36 AM
-> > > To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > > Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] tank rivets
-> > >
-> > > Thanks Ted. Any info on using the aluminum mandrel type? Breakoff
-> > > characteristics and such?
-> > >
-> > > Garry
-> > >
-> > > Ted Waltman wrote:
-> > >
-> > >> Hanson rivet supply has everything you mention Garry. Their
reference
-> > >> charts let you pick the right length based on thickness of material.
-> > >>
-> > > Here's
-> > >
-> > >> the link to their tank rivets: http://www.hansonrivet.com/w22.htm
-> > >>
-> > >> Ted
-> > >>
-> > >> -----Original Message-----
-> > >> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On
Behalf Of
-> > >>
-> > > Garry
-> > >
-> > >> Wright
-> > >> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:21 AM
-> > >> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > >> Subject: [rebel-builders] tank rivets
-> > >>
-> > >> I find in the archives reference to tank rivets as RR6403 - this is the
-> > >> 1/8" normally used for the fuel tanks.
-> > >>
-> > >> I would also like to get some 5/32" and 3/16" tank rivets (for
floats).
-> > >> Not sure they exist.
-> > >>
-> > >> Some suppliers do not recognize this designation and seem to need
a 4
-> > >> digit number like 16xx in front in place of the RR.
-> > >>
-> > >> Anyone have useful info on this.
-> > >>
-> > >> Garry
-> > >> FOKM
-> > >>
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[Ken]

Might or might not mean anything but I use a regulator to drop air
pressure to minimum and have never had a 6402 or 6403 mandrel break off.
0 out of 22,000 is good odds. I have had a couple of the longer 6406
ones break off.
Ken

Garry Wright wrote:

Thanks Ray. I've never had a problem with mandrels breaking off ---
yet.... The broken off ones were done by others and I suspect,
because of the awkwardness of the typical location that it might be side
loading on the puller. A straight pull doesn't seem to generate that
problem.

Garry

ray.mason@dcsol.com wrote:

Mattic is very good to deal with. I have used them the last couple of months.
The tank rivets are not AVEX as AVEX doesn't make a closed rivet and I am
not sure who makes them for Mattic. I also have had problems with the
mandrels breaking. I think the main problem for this is that the hole is to
tight. I found if you pull them manually they don't break as much, but the
best way would probably re drill the hole if the rivit is hard to get in.

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[Jeff Micheal]

Garry........... You do have to call Mattic, their web site is fairly new
and don't have everything listed.

Cheers,
Jeff


On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Garry Wright <wright.garry30@gmail.com>wrote:

Thanks Jeff. That page doesn't go any further - ie the links to details
don't appear to exist - for me at least. Do you have to talk to them?

Garry

Jeff Micheal wrote:

Garry,

The numbers used in the MAM build manual is from Mattic
http://www.mattic.ca/rivets.html or you just let me know which numbers

you

need and I can take a look.

Cheers,
Jeff


On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Garry Wright <wright.garry30@gmail.com
wrote:

Thanks again Ted. I'll be down in Phoenix soon - wx here terrible. Will
order when I get down there. Shipping is way cheaper than getting them
sent up here.

Garry

Ted Waltman wrote:
(e.g.

to

got

or

Garry

the

floats).

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[Garry Wright]

Thanks Ken. What is the minimum pressure you have found with your
riveter or do you know?

G

Ken wrote:

Might or might not mean anything but I use a regulator to drop air
pressure to minimum and have never had a 6402 or 6403 mandrel break off.
0 out of 22,000 is good odds. I have had a couple of the longer 6406
ones break off.
Ken

Garry Wright wrote:

Thanks Ray. I've never had a problem with mandrels breaking off ---
yet.... The broken off ones were done by others and I suspect,
because of the awkwardness of the typical location that it might be side
loading on the puller. A straight pull doesn't seem to generate that
problem.

Garry

ray.mason@dcsol.com wrote:

Mattic is very good to deal with. I have used them the last couple of months.
The tank rivets are not AVEX as AVEX doesn't make a closed rivet and I am
not sure who makes them for Mattic. I also have had problems with the
mandrels breaking. I think the main problem for this is that the hole is to
tight. I found if you pull them manually they don't break as much, but the
best way would probably re drill the hole if the rivit is hard to get in.

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[Garry Wright]

Yep. the guy asked for my fax number so he could fax the pages.

Jeff Micheal wrote:

Garry........... You do have to call Mattic, their web site is fairly new
and don't have everything listed.

Cheers,
Jeff


On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Garry Wright <wright.garry30@gmail.com>wrote:

Thanks Jeff. That page doesn't go any further - ie the links to details
don't appear to exist - for me at least. Do you have to talk to them?

Garry

Jeff Micheal wrote:

Garry,

The numbers used in the MAM build manual is from Mattic
http://www.mattic.ca/rivets.html or you just let me know which numbers

you

need and I can take a look.

Cheers,
Jeff


On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Garry Wright <wright.garry30@gmail.com
wrote:

to

or

the

floats).

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[Ken]

I gradually crank it up until it just breaks the mandrel which is around
40 psi. Typo below - My correct odds would be 0 out of 12,000 ;)
Ken

Garry Wright wrote:

Thanks Ken. What is the minimum pressure you have found with your
riveter or do you know?

G

Ken wrote:

Might or might not mean anything but I use a regulator to drop air
pressure to minimum and have never had a 6402 or 6403 mandrel break off.
0 out of 22,000 is good odds. I have had a couple of the longer 6406
ones break off.
Ken

Garry Wright wrote:

Thanks Ray. I've never had a problem with mandrels breaking off ---
yet.... The broken off ones were done by others and I suspect,
because of the awkwardness of the typical location that it might be side
loading on the puller. A straight pull doesn't seem to generate that
problem.

Garry

ray.mason@dcsol.com wrote:

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[craig]

I have had good luck with Mattic as well. The only problem has been
Canadian mail to US postal. Both orders from Mattic took over a month and
one had to be resent, which they did gladly. Also, their part number for
3/16" tank rivet is 6604.




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[Garry Wright]

Thanks craig. Still waiting for that fax. :-(

Garry

craig wrote:

I have had good luck with Mattic as well. The only problem has been
Canadian mail to US postal. Both orders from Mattic took over a month and
one had to be resent, which they did gladly. Also, their part number for
3/16" tank rivet is 6604.




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