[rebel-builders] Moose project front spar attach size

[Kelly M. Ewing]

I will for sure get advise, anyone have Darryl s email

Kelly
kelly@tru-form.ca
Enjoy your day !


-----Original Message-----
From: "Ted Waltman" <ted@vafm.org>

Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 13:28:38
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Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar attach size


I can't imagine why the MAM-built wings have a 3/4" front attach hole size,
other than perhaps a mistake at the factory? I'd start worrying (perhaps?)
about edge-distance on the fitting at the 3/4" point. That size
bolt/fitting in that location has a whole bunch of stress on it!

In most any other location I'd say a spacer is Ok. However, since I'm not
an engineer, when you're talking about the spar attach point I would
encourage you to either talk to Darryl directly or to get some engineering
advice from someone (????).

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
M. Ewing
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 1:17 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar attach size

Hi Ted thanks for the reply, I wish I knew of the email list a year ago, I
just found out about it 1 month ago from Bob. Thanks Bob.

Anyway, I am looking at the mam built wings and the front attachment hole is
3/4". The matching hole on the fuselage is 5/8"?

I see in the mods chapter 3 it does say 5/8" ( your correct Ted) . I wonder
why the wings have 3/4" holes and if a spacer is acceptable.

Thanks for your input.

Kelly
kelly@tru-form.ca
Enjoy your day !


-----Original Message-----
From: "Ted Waltman" <ted@vafm.org>

Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 12:30:57
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar attach size


3500 Modifications, Chap 3 says 5/8" Kelly. That's the size bolt on two
Moose that I just checked in my hangar too.

Where in the manual did you see the reference to 3/4"? I see an instance
where the advice used to be to go to a 1/2" hole, but I can't find any
reference to 3/4".

Ted Waltman

-----Original Message-----
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M. Ewing
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:21 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Moose project

New post, first question to rebel builders.

Does anyone know if the forward attachment brackets for the wings are to be
reamed out to 3/4" as stated in the manual? Because we are told to use an "
AN10 bolt ? This is 5/8. Perhaps we are to use a bushing? If so I've
missed this in the instructions.

Thanks in advance

Kelly
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[Ted Waltman]

3500 Modifications, Chap 3 says 5/8" Kelly. That's the size bolt on two
Moose that I just checked in my hangar too.

Where in the manual did you see the reference to 3/4"? I see an instance
where the advice used to be to go to a 1/2" hole, but I can't find any
reference to 3/4".

Ted Waltman

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
M. Ewing
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:21 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Moose project

New post, first question to rebel builders.

Does anyone know if the forward attachment brackets for the wings are to be
reamed out to 3/4" as stated in the manual? Because we are told to use an "
AN10 bolt ? This is 5/8. Perhaps we are to use a bushing? If so I've
missed this in the instructions.

Thanks in advance

Kelly
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[Kelly M. Ewing]

Hi Ted thanks for the reply, I wish I knew of the email list a year ago, I just found out about it 1 month ago from Bob. Thanks Bob.

Anyway, I am looking at the mam built wings and the front attachment hole is 3/4". The matching hole on the fuselage is 5/8"?

I see in the mods chapter 3 it does say 5/8" ( your correct Ted) . I wonder why the wings have 3/4" holes and if a spacer is acceptable.

Thanks for your input.

Kelly
kelly@tru-form.ca
Enjoy your day !


-----Original Message-----
From: "Ted Waltman" <ted@vafm.org>

Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 12:30:57
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar attach size


3500 Modifications, Chap 3 says 5/8" Kelly. That's the size bolt on two
Moose that I just checked in my hangar too.

Where in the manual did you see the reference to 3/4"? I see an instance
where the advice used to be to go to a 1/2" hole, but I can't find any
reference to 3/4".

Ted Waltman

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
M. Ewing
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:21 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Moose project

New post, first question to rebel builders.

Does anyone know if the forward attachment brackets for the wings are to be
reamed out to 3/4" as stated in the manual? Because we are told to use an "
AN10 bolt ? This is 5/8. Perhaps we are to use a bushing? If so I've
missed this in the instructions.

Thanks in advance

Kelly
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[Kelly M. Ewing]

Ted, the reference to 3/4" is in the manual I have, ( hard copy ) in the wing strut section. However mam sent me a electronic copy and it says 1/2". Wow I'm really confused.

Kelly
kelly@tru-form.ca
Enjoy your day !


-----Original Message-----
From: "Kelly M. Ewing" <kelly@tru-form.ca>

Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 19:17:10
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar attach size


Hi Ted thanks for the reply, I wish I knew of the email list a year ago, I just found out about it 1 month ago from Bob. Thanks Bob.

Anyway, I am looking at the mam built wings and the front attachment hole is 3/4". The matching hole on the fuselage is 5/8"?

I see in the mods chapter 3 it does say 5/8" ( your correct Ted) . I wonder why the wings have 3/4" holes and if a spacer is acceptable.

Thanks for your input.

Kelly
kelly@tru-form.ca
Enjoy your day !


-----Original Message-----
From: "Ted Waltman" <ted@vafm.org>

Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 12:30:57
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar attach size


3500 Modifications, Chap 3 says 5/8" Kelly. That's the size bolt on two
Moose that I just checked in my hangar too.

Where in the manual did you see the reference to 3/4"? I see an instance
where the advice used to be to go to a 1/2" hole, but I can't find any
reference to 3/4".

Ted Waltman

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
M. Ewing
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:21 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Moose project

New post, first question to rebel builders.

Does anyone know if the forward attachment brackets for the wings are to be
reamed out to 3/4" as stated in the manual? Because we are told to use an "
AN10 bolt ? This is 5/8. Perhaps we are to use a bushing? If so I've
missed this in the instructions.

Thanks in advance

Kelly
kelly@tru-form.ca
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[Ted Waltman]

I can't imagine why the MAM-built wings have a 3/4" front attach hole size,
other than perhaps a mistake at the factory? I'd start worrying (perhaps?)
about edge-distance on the fitting at the 3/4" point. That size
bolt/fitting in that location has a whole bunch of stress on it!

In most any other location I'd say a spacer is Ok. However, since I'm not
an engineer, when you're talking about the spar attach point I would
encourage you to either talk to Darryl directly or to get some engineering
advice from someone (????).

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
M. Ewing
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 1:17 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar attach size

Hi Ted thanks for the reply, I wish I knew of the email list a year ago, I
just found out about it 1 month ago from Bob. Thanks Bob.

Anyway, I am looking at the mam built wings and the front attachment hole is
3/4". The matching hole on the fuselage is 5/8"?

I see in the mods chapter 3 it does say 5/8" ( your correct Ted) . I wonder
why the wings have 3/4" holes and if a spacer is acceptable.

Thanks for your input.

Kelly
kelly@tru-form.ca
Enjoy your day !


-----Original Message-----
From: "Ted Waltman" <ted@vafm.org>

Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 12:30:57
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar attach size


3500 Modifications, Chap 3 says 5/8" Kelly. That's the size bolt on two
Moose that I just checked in my hangar too.

Where in the manual did you see the reference to 3/4"? I see an instance
where the advice used to be to go to a 1/2" hole, but I can't find any
reference to 3/4".

Ted Waltman

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
M. Ewing
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:21 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Moose project

New post, first question to rebel builders.

Does anyone know if the forward attachment brackets for the wings are to be
reamed out to 3/4" as stated in the manual? Because we are told to use an "
AN10 bolt ? This is 5/8. Perhaps we are to use a bushing? If so I've
missed this in the instructions.

Thanks in advance

Kelly
kelly@tru-form.ca
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[Richard Wampach]

Welcome Kelly
I must agree with Ted on the 5/8" bolt size for the wing front spar
attachment as well as the top and bottom lift strut bolts.
I agree with Ted the 3/4" bolt could leave it with a pretty close edge
distance.
Depending how old your kit is it could have started out several sizes
smaller as Murphy upgraded from Rebel to Super Rebel-2500, then a few
SR-3000# gross weight, and finally to the SR-3500. The upgrade of a
-2500 was accomplished with 13, or 17 (?) mods weighing in at about 81
pounds to make the plane a -3500 which was not a bad trade off---81 #
increase weight to get a 1,000 # higher gross weight. However it left a
number of us builders scratching our heads to follow it in the manuals
and mod lists.

I would recommend you send a request to Darryl, it may take a few days
for him to respond, but it is a critical area. Failure is not an
option!

So could you share with us your location and status of progress on your
kit?

Dick Wampach SR-3500 N331RW


-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Ted Waltman
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 12:29 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar attach size

I can't imagine why the MAM-built wings have a 3/4" front attach hole
size,
other than perhaps a mistake at the factory? I'd start worrying
(perhaps?)
about edge-distance on the fitting at the 3/4" point. That size
bolt/fitting in that location has a whole bunch of stress on it!

In most any other location I'd say a spacer is Ok. However, since I'm
not
an engineer, when you're talking about the spar attach point I would
encourage you to either talk to Darryl directly or to get some
engineering
advice from someone (????).

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Kelly
M. Ewing
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 1:17 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar attach size

Hi Ted thanks for the reply, I wish I knew of the email list a year ago,
I
just found out about it 1 month ago from Bob. Thanks Bob.

Anyway, I am looking at the mam built wings and the front attachment
hole is
3/4". The matching hole on the fuselage is 5/8"?

I see in the mods chapter 3 it does say 5/8" ( your correct Ted) . I
wonder
why the wings have 3/4" holes and if a spacer is acceptable.

Thanks for your input.

Kelly
kelly@tru-form.ca
Enjoy your day !


-----Original Message-----
From: "Ted Waltman" <ted@vafm.org>

Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 12:30:57
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar attach size


3500 Modifications, Chap 3 says 5/8" Kelly. That's the size bolt on two
Moose that I just checked in my hangar too.

Where in the manual did you see the reference to 3/4"? I see an
instance
where the advice used to be to go to a 1/2" hole, but I can't find any
reference to 3/4".

Ted Waltman

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Kelly
M. Ewing
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:21 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Moose project

New post, first question to rebel builders.

Does anyone know if the forward attachment brackets for the wings are to
be
reamed out to 3/4" as stated in the manual? Because we are told to use
an "
AN10 bolt ? This is 5/8. Perhaps we are to use a bushing? If so I've
missed this in the instructions.

Thanks in advance

Kelly
kelly@tru-form.ca
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[Kelly M. Ewing]

Thanks Dick, it short I agree, a talk with Darryl would be great. I'm thinking a spacer may work. I did find a reference on goflyamoose.com and he used a spacer for the same problem.

I think I have and older mam set of wings and an updated fuselage. Ill keep you posted.

I am about 80 pecent complete and need to decide on an engine soon. I am locate in Georgetown ontario and would love to meet and see anyone else with a Moose.

Thanks all
Kelly
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Enjoy your day !


-----Original Message-----
From: "Richard Wampach" <rwampach@comcast.net>

Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 13:14:07
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Cc: 'Bob Patterson'<bobp@prosumers.ca>
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar attach size


Welcome Kelly
I must agree with Ted on the 5/8" bolt size for the wing front spar
attachment as well as the top and bottom lift strut bolts.
I agree with Ted the 3/4" bolt could leave it with a pretty close edge
distance.
Depending how old your kit is it could have started out several sizes
smaller as Murphy upgraded from Rebel to Super Rebel-2500, then a few
SR-3000# gross weight, and finally to the SR-3500. The upgrade of a
-2500 was accomplished with 13, or 17 (?) mods weighing in at about 81
pounds to make the plane a -3500 which was not a bad trade off---81 #
increase weight to get a 1,000 # higher gross weight. However it left a
number of us builders scratching our heads to follow it in the manuals
and mod lists.

I would recommend you send a request to Darryl, it may take a few days
for him to respond, but it is a critical area. Failure is not an
option!

So could you share with us your location and status of progress on your
kit?

Dick Wampach SR-3500 N331RW


-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Ted Waltman
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 12:29 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar attach size

I can't imagine why the MAM-built wings have a 3/4" front attach hole
size,
other than perhaps a mistake at the factory? I'd start worrying
(perhaps?)
about edge-distance on the fitting at the 3/4" point. That size
bolt/fitting in that location has a whole bunch of stress on it!

In most any other location I'd say a spacer is Ok. However, since I'm
not
an engineer, when you're talking about the spar attach point I would
encourage you to either talk to Darryl directly or to get some
engineering
advice from someone (????).

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Kelly
M. Ewing
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 1:17 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar attach size

Hi Ted thanks for the reply, I wish I knew of the email list a year ago,
I
just found out about it 1 month ago from Bob. Thanks Bob.

Anyway, I am looking at the mam built wings and the front attachment
hole is
3/4". The matching hole on the fuselage is 5/8"?

I see in the mods chapter 3 it does say 5/8" ( your correct Ted) . I
wonder
why the wings have 3/4" holes and if a spacer is acceptable.

Thanks for your input.

Kelly
kelly@tru-form.ca
Enjoy your day !


-----Original Message-----
From: "Ted Waltman" <ted@vafm.org>

Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 12:30:57
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar attach size


3500 Modifications, Chap 3 says 5/8" Kelly. That's the size bolt on two
Moose that I just checked in my hangar too.

Where in the manual did you see the reference to 3/4"? I see an
instance
where the advice used to be to go to a 1/2" hole, but I can't find any
reference to 3/4".

Ted Waltman

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Kelly
M. Ewing
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:21 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Moose project

New post, first question to rebel builders.

Does anyone know if the forward attachment brackets for the wings are to
be
reamed out to 3/4" as stated in the manual? Because we are told to use
an "
AN10 bolt ? This is 5/8. Perhaps we are to use a bushing? If so I've
missed this in the instructions.

Thanks in advance

Kelly
kelly@tru-form.ca
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[Jason Beall]

I just went through something similar with Murphy three months ago. I have a Moose fast build fuselage and SR2500 wings. I am licensing mine as a SuperRebel.

I fabricated bushings to go in my 5/8 inch holes in the fuselage and am keeping my 1/2 inch attachment holes in the wings. Using 1/2 inch bolts.

Murphy suggested this and it seems to look fine.

I have a Cessna 185 parts manual I am using to help design the fuel system and the 185 uses 1/2 inch bolts.

-Jason



--- On Tue, 9/8/09, Richard Wampach <rwampach@comcast.net> wrote:

[quote]From: Richard Wampach <rwampach@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar attach size
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Cc: "'Bob Patterson'" <bobp@prosumers.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 1:14 PM
Welcome Kelly
I must agree with Ted on the 5/8" bolt size for the wing
front spar
attachment as well as the top and bottom lift strut bolts.
I agree with Ted the 3/4" bolt could leave it with a pretty
close edge
distance.

[Kelly M. Ewing]

Thanks Jason,

Kelly
kelly@tru-form.ca
Enjoy your day !


-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Beall <super_rebel131@yahoo.com>

Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 07:12:53
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar attach size


I just went through something similar with Murphy three months ago. I have a Moose fast build fuselage and SR2500 wings. I am licensing mine as a SuperRebel.

I fabricated bushings to go in my 5/8 inch holes in the fuselage and am keeping my 1/2 inch attachment holes in the wings. Using 1/2 inch bolts.

Murphy suggested this and it seems to look fine.

I have a Cessna 185 parts manual I am using to help design the fuel system and the 185 uses 1/2 inch bolts.

-Jason



--- On Tue, 9/8/09, Richard Wampach <rwampach@comcast.net> wrote:

[quote]From: Richard Wampach <rwampach@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar attach size
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Cc: "'Bob Patterson'" <bobp@prosumers.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 1:14 PM
Welcome Kelly
I must agree with Ted on the 5/8" bolt size for the wing
front spar
attachment as well as the top and bottom lift strut bolts.
I agree with Ted the 3/4" bolt could leave it with a pretty
close edge
distance.

[Ted Waltman]

Thanks for your input, especially on the 185 wings, Jason. I can't believe
I totally forgot about the two bushings that go in the wing fittings in
yesterday's discussion--guess I'm not only senile, but getting old and
forgetful too!

Just curious, you say you have SR2500 wings. Are you going to list your
gross weight at 2,500 or 3,000 lbs?

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Jason
Beall
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 8:13 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar attach size

I just went through something similar with Murphy three months ago. I have a
Moose fast build fuselage and SR2500 wings. I am licensing mine as a
SuperRebel.

I fabricated bushings to go in my 5/8 inch holes in the fuselage and am
keeping my 1/2 inch attachment holes in the wings. Using 1/2 inch bolts.

Murphy suggested this and it seems to look fine.

I have a Cessna 185 parts manual I am using to help design the fuel system
and the 185 uses 1/2 inch bolts.

-Jason



--- On Tue, 9/8/09, Richard Wampach <rwampach@comcast.net> wrote:

[quote]From: Richard Wampach <rwampach@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar attach size
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Cc: "'Bob Patterson'" <bobp@prosumers.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 1:14 PM
Welcome Kelly
I must agree with Ted on the 5/8" bolt size for the wing
front spar
attachment as well as the top and bottom lift strut bolts.
I agree with Ted the 3/4" bolt could leave it with a pretty
close edge
distance.

[Mike Davis]

That's Cessna for you... my 1968 C-150 uses 1/2" (AN8) bolts to attach the
wing also... even though it has half the gross. ;-)

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Beall" <super_rebel131@yahoo.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 6:12 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar attach size

I just went through something similar with Murphy three months ago. I have
a Moose fast build fuselage and SR2500 wings. I am licensing mine as a
SuperRebel.

I fabricated bushings to go in my 5/8 inch holes in the fuselage and am
keeping my 1/2 inch attachment holes in the wings. Using 1/2 inch bolts.

Murphy suggested this and it seems to look fine.

I have a Cessna 185 parts manual I am using to help design the fuel system
and the 185 uses 1/2 inch bolts.

-Jason



--- On Tue, 9/8/09, Richard Wampach <rwampach@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Richard Wampach <rwampach@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar attach size
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Cc: "'Bob Patterson'" <bobp@prosumers.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 1:14 PM
Welcome Kelly
I must agree with Ted on the 5/8" bolt size for the wing
front spar
attachment as well as the top and bottom lift strut bolts.
I agree with Ted the 3/4" bolt could leave it with a pretty
close edge
distance.
Depending how old your kit is it could have started out
several sizes
smaller as Murphy upgraded from Rebel to Super Rebel-2500,
then a few
SR-3000# gross weight, and finally to the SR-3500.
The upgrade of a
-2500 was accomplished with 13, or 17 (?) mods weighing in
at about 81
pounds to make the plane a -3500 which was not a bad trade
off---81 #
increase weight to get a 1,000 # higher gross weight.
However it left a
number of us builders scratching our heads to follow it in
the manuals
and mod lists.

I would recommend you send a request to Darryl, it may take
a few days
for him to respond, but it is a critical area.
Failure is not an
option!

So could you share with us your location and status of
progress on your
kit?

Dick Wampach SR-3500
N331RW


-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]
On Behalf Of
Ted Waltman
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 12:29 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar
attach size

I can't imagine why the MAM-built wings have a 3/4" front
attach hole
size,
other than perhaps a mistake at the factory? I'd
start worrying
(perhaps?)
about edge-distance on the fitting at the 3/4" point.
That size
bolt/fitting in that location has a whole bunch of stress
on it!

In most any other location I'd say a spacer is Ok.
However, since I'm
not
an engineer, when you're talking about the spar attach
point I would
encourage you to either talk to Darryl directly or to get
some
engineering
advice from someone (????).

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]
On Behalf Of
Kelly
M. Ewing
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 1:17 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar
attach size

Hi Ted thanks for the reply, I wish I knew of the email
list a year ago,
I
just found out about it 1 month ago from Bob. Thanks Bob.

Anyway, I am looking at the mam built wings and the front
attachment
hole is
3/4". The matching hole on the fuselage is 5/8"?

I see in the mods chapter 3 it does say 5/8" ( your correct
Ted) . I
wonder
why the wings have 3/4" holes and if a spacer is
acceptable.

Thanks for your input.

Kelly
kelly@tru-form.ca
Enjoy your day !


-----Original Message-----
From: "Ted Waltman" <ted@vafm.org>

Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 12:30:57
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar
attach size


3500 Modifications, Chap 3 says 5/8" Kelly. That's
the size bolt on two
Moose that I just checked in my hangar too.

Where in the manual did you see the reference to
3/4"? I see an
instance
where the advice used to be to go to a 1/2" hole, but I
can't find any
reference to 3/4".

Ted Waltman

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]
On Behalf Of
Kelly
M. Ewing
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:21 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Moose project

New post, first question to rebel builders.

Does anyone know if the forward attachment brackets for the
wings are to
be
reamed out to 3/4" as stated in the manual? Because
we are told to use
an "
AN10 bolt ? This is 5/8. Perhaps we are to use
a bushing? If so I've
missed this in the instructions.

Thanks in advance

Kelly
kelly@tru-form.ca
Enjoy your day !




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[Jason Beall]

Hi Ted,

Unfortunately I will be limited to 2500 Lbs. I thought about doing all the Moose mods but I can't be bothered. I am trying to keep my empty weight light to compensate. -Jason

--- On Wed, 9/9/09, Ted Waltman <ted@vafm.org> wrote:

[quote]From: Ted Waltman <ted@vafm.org>
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar attach size
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 7:24 AM
Thanks for your input, especially on
the 185 wings, Jason.

[Tim Saxton]

Prior to building my SR wings I was told by Murphy that they had done the
engineering analysis and the only change required to increase the gross
weight from 2500 lbs to 3000 lbs was to substitute solid rivets in the main
wing spar. Jason, is this the issue that limits you to 2500 lbs?

Tim


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Beall" <super_rebel131@yahoo.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 6:56 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar attach size

Hi Ted,

Unfortunately I will be limited to 2500 Lbs. I thought about doing all the
Moose mods but I can't be bothered. I am trying to keep my empty weight
light to compensate. -Jason

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[Mike Davis]

I was not aware they actually sold any kits with a 2500 lbs gross, I think
they were all 3000 lbs. Bobp?

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Beall" <super_rebel131@yahoo.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:56 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar attach size

Hi Ted,

Unfortunately I will be limited to 2500 Lbs. I thought about doing all the
Moose mods but I can't be bothered. I am trying to keep my empty weight
light to compensate. -Jason

--- On Wed, 9/9/09, Ted Waltman <ted@vafm.org> wrote:

From: Ted Waltman <ted@vafm.org>
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar attach size
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 7:24 AM
Thanks for your input, especially on
the 185 wings, Jason. I can't believe
I totally forgot about the two bushings that go in the wing
fittings in
yesterday's discussion--guess I'm not only senile, but
getting old and
forgetful too!

Just curious, you say you have SR2500 wings. Are you
going to list your
gross weight at 2,500 or 3,000 lbs?

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]
On Behalf Of Jason
Beall
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 8:13 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar
attach size

I just went through something similar with Murphy three
months ago. I have a
Moose fast build fuselage and SR2500 wings. I am licensing
mine as a
SuperRebel.

I fabricated bushings to go in my 5/8 inch holes in the
fuselage and am
keeping my 1/2 inch attachment holes in the wings. Using
1/2 inch bolts.

Murphy suggested this and it seems to look fine.

I have a Cessna 185 parts manual I am using to help design
the fuel system
and the 185 uses 1/2 inch bolts.

-Jason



--- On Tue, 9/8/09, Richard Wampach <rwampach@comcast.net>
wrote:

From: Richard Wampach <rwampach@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar

attach size

To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Cc: "'Bob Patterson'" <bobp@prosumers.ca>
Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 1:14 PM
Welcome Kelly
I must agree with Ted on the 5/8" bolt size for the

wing

front spar
attachment as well as the top and bottom lift strut

bolts.

I agree with Ted the 3/4" bolt could leave it with a

pretty

close edge
distance.
Depending how old your kit is it could have started

out

several sizes
smaller as Murphy upgraded from Rebel to Super

Rebel-2500,

then a few
SR-3000# gross weight, and finally to the SR-3500.
The upgrade of a
-2500 was accomplished with 13, or 17 (?) mods

weighing in

at about 81
pounds to make the plane a -3500 which was not a bad

trade

off---81 #
increase weight to get a 1,000 # higher gross

weight.

However it left a
number of us builders scratching our heads to follow

it in

the manuals
and mod lists.

I would recommend you send a request to Darryl, it may

take

a few days
for him to respond, but it is a critical area.
Failure is not an
option!

So could you share with us your location and status

of

progress on your
kit?

Dick Wampach SR-3500
N331RW


-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]
On Behalf Of
Ted Waltman
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 12:29 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front

spar

attach size

I can't imagine why the MAM-built wings have a 3/4"

front

attach hole
size,
other than perhaps a mistake at the factory? I'd
start worrying
(perhaps?)
about edge-distance on the fitting at the 3/4"

point.

That size
bolt/fitting in that location has a whole bunch of

stress

on it!

In most any other location I'd say a spacer is Ok.
However, since I'm
not
an engineer, when you're talking about the spar

attach

point I would
encourage you to either talk to Darryl directly or to

get

some
engineering
advice from someone (????).

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]
On Behalf Of
Kelly
M. Ewing
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 1:17 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Moose project front

spar

attach size

Hi Ted thanks for the reply, I wish I knew of the

email

list a year ago,
I
just found out about it 1 month ago from Bob. Thanks

Bob.

Anyway, I am looking at the mam built wings and the

front

attachment
hole is
3/4". The matching hole on the fuselage is 5/8"?

I see in the mods chapter 3 it does say 5/8" ( your

correct

Ted) . I
wonder
why the wings have 3/4" holes and if a spacer is
acceptable.

Thanks for your input.

Kelly
kelly@tru-form.ca
Enjoy your day !


-----Original Message-----
From: "Ted Waltman" <ted@vafm.org>

Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 12:30:57
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front

spar

attach size


3500 Modifications, Chap 3 says 5/8" Kelly. That's
the size bolt on two
Moose that I just checked in my hangar too.

Where in the manual did you see the reference to
3/4"? I see an
instance
where the advice used to be to go to a 1/2" hole, but

I

can't find any
reference to 3/4".

Ted Waltman

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]
On Behalf Of
Kelly
M. Ewing
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:21 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Moose project

New post, first question to rebel builders.

Does anyone know if the forward attachment brackets

for the

wings are to
be
reamed out to 3/4" as stated in the manual? Because
we are told to use
an "
AN10 bolt ? This is 5/8. Perhaps we are to use
a bushing? If so I've
missed this in the instructions.

Thanks in advance

Kelly
kelly@tru-form.ca
Enjoy your day !

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[Bob Patterson]

That was certainly my understanding, Mike ! I think the original
design target was 2500 lb., but review showed 3000 lb was OK.

The old name stuck, as it had been well advertised - should have
been the SR-3000 .... ;-)

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On Thursday 10 September 2009 08:35, Mike Davis wrote:

I was not aware they actually sold any kits with a 2500 lbs gross, I think
they were all 3000 lbs. Bobp?

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Beall" <super_rebel131@yahoo.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:56 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar attach size

Hi Ted,

Unfortunately I will be limited to 2500 Lbs. I thought about doing all
the Moose mods but I can't be bothered. I am trying to keep my empty
weight light to compensate. -Jason

--- On Wed, 9/9/09, Ted Waltman <ted@vafm.org> wrote:

From: Ted Waltman <ted@vafm.org>
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar attach size
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 7:24 AM
Thanks for your input, especially on
the 185 wings, Jason. I can't believe
I totally forgot about the two bushings that go in the wing
fittings in
yesterday's discussion--guess I'm not only senile, but
getting old and
forgetful too!

Just curious, you say you have SR2500 wings. Are you
going to list your
gross weight at 2,500 or 3,000 lbs?

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]
On Behalf Of Jason
Beall
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 8:13 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose project front spar
attach size

I just went through something similar with Murphy three
months ago. I have a
Moose fast build fuselage and SR2500 wings. I am licensing
mine as a
SuperRebel.

I fabricated bushings to go in my 5/8 inch holes in the
fuselage and am
keeping my 1/2 inch attachment holes in the wings. Using
1/2 inch bolts.

Murphy suggested this and it seems to look fine.

I have a Cessna 185 parts manual I am using to help design
the fuel system
and the 185 uses 1/2 inch bolts.

-Jason



--- On Tue, 9/8/09, Richard Wampach <rwampach@comcast.net>

wrote: attach size
wing
bolts.
pretty
out
Rebel-2500,
weighing in
trade
weight.
it in
take
of
spar
front
point.
stress
attach
get
spar
email
Bob.
front
correct
spar
I
for the

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