[rebel-builders] Test...kind of. And a wait time for MAM.

[Michael Kraus]

Took me 1.5 years to get all my parts for my Moose kit. Then I
ordered some options in December and I still don't have them. They
were promised on January.....

And I used to complain when Vans Aircraft
took 5 days to get a shipment out....
-Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 12, 2009, at 12:28 PM, "Fred Messinger (fredm)" <fredmessinger@gmail.com

wrote:

Hi All,

I'm wondering if I somehow lost connectivity with rebel-builders. I
haven't heard anything this week.

Ping...

May as well piggy back the next issue on also: I was emailing Jeff
at MAM
about missing parts back on Feb 3. He said he'd "check the
availability...".

Haven't heard anything since despite a couple followups by me.
What's the
usual wait time with MAM?

Thanks,
Fred




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[Fred Messinger (fredm)]

There's got to be a better way than this. I can't believe how much money I
paid for this feeling of frustration.

I knew I should have gone with a Bearhawk.

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Michael Kraus
<n223rv@wolflakeairport.net>wrote:

Took me 1.5 years to get all my parts for my Moose kit. Then I
ordered some options in December and I still don't have them. They
were promised on January.....

And I used to complain when Vans Aircraft
took 5 days to get a shipment out....
-Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 12, 2009, at 12:28 PM, "Fred Messinger (fredm)" <
fredmessinger@gmail.com

wrote:

Hi All,

I'm wondering if I somehow lost connectivity with rebel-builders. I
haven't heard anything this week.

Ping...

May as well piggy back the next issue on also: I was emailing Jeff
at MAM
about missing parts back on Feb 3. He said he'd "check the
availability...".

Haven't heard anything since despite a couple followups by me.
What's the
usual wait time with MAM?

Thanks,
Fred




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[Fred Messinger (fredm)]

This may be why you had to wait so long, Mike.....

I just checked the Better Business Bureau in Vancouver. This is what I
found.

Murphy has a D- rating!!!!!!

BBB Reliability Report for
Murphy Aircraft Mfg. Ltd.

BBB Rating

Based on BBB files, this business has a BBB Rating of D-.
Reasons for this rating include:

- Failure to respond to complaints filed against business.



On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Fred Messinger (fredm) <
fredmessinger@gmail.com> wrote:

There's got to be a better way than this. I can't believe how much money
I paid for this feeling of frustration.

I knew I should have gone with a Bearhawk.


On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Michael Kraus <n223rv@wolflakeairport.net

wrote:

Took me 1.5 years to get all my parts for my Moose kit. Then I
ordered some options in December and I still don't have them. They
were promised on January.....

And I used to complain when Vans Aircraft
took 5 days to get a shipment out....
-Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 12, 2009, at 12:28 PM, "Fred Messinger (fredm)" <
fredmessinger@gmail.com

wrote:

Hi All,

I'm wondering if I somehow lost connectivity with rebel-builders. I
haven't heard anything this week.

Ping...

May as well piggy back the next issue on also: I was emailing Jeff
at MAM
about missing parts back on Feb 3. He said he'd "check the
availability...".

Haven't heard anything since despite a couple followups by me.
What's the
usual wait time with MAM?

Thanks,
Fred




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[kyle martin]

Makes sense about the D rating. I went in person, cause i live in close, in
seattle, and because i knew it would take forever to get my stuff. I was
thoroughly unimpressed with them. I will avoid going to them at ALL COSTS. I
dont have any good advice to offer tho. Make stuff yourself. :)

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Fred Messinger (fredm) <
fredmessinger@gmail.com> wrote:

This may be why you had to wait so long, Mike.....

I just checked the Better Business Bureau in Vancouver. This is what I
found.

Murphy has a D- rating!!!!!!

BBB Reliability Report for
Murphy Aircraft Mfg. Ltd.

BBB Rating

Based on BBB files, this business has a BBB Rating of D-.
Reasons for this rating include:

- Failure to respond to complaints filed against business.



On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Fred Messinger (fredm) <
fredmessinger@gmail.com> wrote:

There's got to be a better way than this. I can't believe how much

money

I paid for this feeling of frustration.

I knew I should have gone with a Bearhawk.


On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Michael Kraus <

n223rv@wolflakeairport.net

wrote:

Took me 1.5 years to get all my parts for my Moose kit. Then I
ordered some options in December and I still don't have them. They
were promised on January.....

And I used to complain when Vans Aircraft
took 5 days to get a shipment out....
-Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 12, 2009, at 12:28 PM, "Fred Messinger (fredm)" <
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[Hans Kuck]

depends ! some times forever, other times fast.

Hans
640E


On 2/12/09, Fred Messinger (fredm) <fredmessinger@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi All,

I'm wondering if I somehow lost connectivity with rebel-builders. I
haven't heard anything this week.

Ping...

May as well piggy back the next issue on also: I was emailing Jeff at MAM
about missing parts back on Feb 3. He said he'd "check the
availability...".

Haven't heard anything since despite a couple followups by me. What's the
usual wait time with MAM?

Thanks,
Fred




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--
Hans Kuck
P.O.Box 2212
Sechelt B.C.
V0N 3A0
Canada




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[Fred Messinger (fredm)]

I should have been more clear... It's actually a D-MINUS! Ugh!!

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Fred Messinger (fredm) <
fredmessinger@gmail.com> wrote:

This may be why you had to wait so long, Mike.....

I just checked the Better Business Bureau in Vancouver. This is what I
found.

Murphy has a D- rating!!!!!!

BBB Reliability Report for
Murphy Aircraft Mfg. Ltd.

BBB Rating

Based on BBB files, this business has a BBB Rating of D-.
Reasons for this rating include:

- Failure to respond to complaints filed against business.



On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Fred Messinger (fredm) <
fredmessinger@gmail.com> wrote:

There's got to be a better way than this. I can't believe how much money
I paid for this feeling of frustration.

I knew I should have gone with a Bearhawk.


On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Michael Kraus <
n223rv@wolflakeairport.net> wrote:

Took me 1.5 years to get all my parts for my Moose kit. Then I
ordered some options in December and I still don't have them. They
were promised on January.....

And I used to complain when Vans Aircraft
took 5 days to get a shipment out....
-Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 12, 2009, at 12:28 PM, "Fred Messinger (fredm)" <
fredmessinger@gmail.com
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[kyle martin]

If i was the one grading them, I'd probably FLUNK THEM! but i am also like
the angry old math teacher that favors upstanding students, so that isnt
exactly fair. oh well.

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Fred Messinger (fredm) <
fredmessinger@gmail.com> wrote:

I should have been more clear... It's actually a D-MINUS! Ugh!!

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Fred Messinger (fredm) <
fredmessinger@gmail.com> wrote:

This may be why you had to wait so long, Mike.....

I just checked the Better Business Bureau in Vancouver. This is what I
found.

Murphy has a D- rating!!!!!!

BBB Reliability Report for
Murphy Aircraft Mfg. Ltd.

BBB Rating

Based on BBB files, this business has a BBB Rating of D-.
Reasons for this rating include:

- Failure to respond to complaints filed against business.



On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Fred Messinger (fredm) <
fredmessinger@gmail.com> wrote:

There's got to be a better way than this. I can't believe how much

money

I paid for this feeling of frustration.

I knew I should have gone with a Bearhawk.


On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Michael Kraus <
n223rv@wolflakeairport.net> wrote:

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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Just be glad they're still there fellas! Can't say that for a VERY VERY long
list of aircraft kit mfgs that have walked the face of North America in the
last 2 decades.

Posts like this may just help Darryl throw his hands in the air and say
"Fuck this!!".

And as for contact.. me.. about 2 days.. but sometimes when they're in over
the head a week tops

Part shipments.. sometimes the next day.. sometimes a month or more wait
pending stock and need to mfg..


----- Original Message -----
From: "kyle martin" <alpsnowman@gmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Test...kind of. And a wait time for MAM.

If i was the one grading them, I'd probably FLUNK THEM! but i am also like
the angry old math teacher that favors upstanding students, so that isnt
exactly fair. oh well.

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Fred Messinger (fredm) <
fredmessinger@gmail.com> wrote:

I should have been more clear... It's actually a D-MINUS! Ugh!!

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Fred Messinger (fredm) <
fredmessinger@gmail.com> wrote:

This may be why you had to wait so long, Mike.....

I just checked the Better Business Bureau in Vancouver. This is what
I
found.

Murphy has a D- rating!!!!!!

BBB Reliability Report for
Murphy Aircraft Mfg. Ltd.

BBB Rating

Based on BBB files, this business has a BBB Rating of D-.
Reasons for this rating include:

- Failure to respond to complaints filed against business.



On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Fred Messinger (fredm) <
fredmessinger@gmail.com> wrote:

money

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[Fred Messinger (fredm)]

Here's an update from my situation. I got a hold of Jeff by phone and it
turns out that he had a couple of the parts there and hadn't gotten around
to finding the others because he was so busy. Apparently, they have him
supporting three different groups because of all of the scale-backs they
have been doing. He had seen all of my emails but hadn't responded because
he was so busy. He's a good guy just trying to keep his head above water.

So, the root cause was probably and email protocol difference.


On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Wayne G. O'Shea <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>wrote:

Just be glad they're still there fellas! Can't say that for a VERY VERY
long
list of aircraft kit mfgs that have walked the face of North America in the
last 2 decades.

Posts like this may just help Darryl throw his hands in the air and say
"Fuck this!!".

And as for contact.. me.. about 2 days.. but sometimes when they're in over
the head a week tops

Part shipments.. sometimes the next day.. sometimes a month or more wait
pending stock and need to mfg..


----- Original Message -----
From: "kyle martin" <alpsnowman@gmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Test...kind of. And a wait time for MAM.

If i was the one grading them, I'd probably FLUNK THEM! but i am also

like

the angry old math teacher that favors upstanding students, so that isnt
exactly fair. oh well.

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Fred Messinger (fredm) <
fredmessinger@gmail.com> wrote:

I should have been more clear... It's actually a D-MINUS! Ugh!!

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Fred Messinger (fredm) <
fredmessinger@gmail.com> wrote:
money

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[Nancy Puff]

you got that right Fred!
Give him time he will look after you.

Nancy

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Fred Messinger (fredm)" <fredmessinger@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 3:31 PM
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Test...kind of. And a wait time for MAM.

Here's an update from my situation. I got a hold of Jeff by phone and it
turns out that he had a couple of the parts there and hadn't gotten around
to finding the others because he was so busy. Apparently, they have him
supporting three different groups because of all of the scale-backs they
have been doing. He had seen all of my emails but hadn't responded
because
he was so busy. He's a good guy just trying to keep his head above water.

So, the root cause was probably and email protocol difference.


On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Wayne G. O'Shea
<oifa@irishfield.on.ca>wrote:

Just be glad they're still there fellas! Can't say that for a VERY VERY
long
list of aircraft kit mfgs that have walked the face of North America in
the
last 2 decades.

Posts like this may just help Darryl throw his hands in the air and say
"Fuck this!!".

And as for contact.. me.. about 2 days.. but sometimes when they're in
over
the head a week tops

Part shipments.. sometimes the next day.. sometimes a month or more wait
pending stock and need to mfg..


----- Original Message -----
From: "kyle martin" <alpsnowman@gmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Test...kind of. And a wait time for MAM.

If i was the one grading them, I'd probably FLUNK THEM! but i am also

like

the angry old math teacher that favors upstanding students, so that
isnt
exactly fair. oh well.

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Fred Messinger (fredm) <
fredmessinger@gmail.com> wrote:


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[Walter Klatt]

Wow, can't believe what I am reading here. If you keep crapping on people,
you're going to get crapped on yourself.

These are people that are going through tough times working their butts off,
so you and others can realize their dream. If you don't want to put up with
a few challenges, then go buy a new Cessna. But then all you will have is a
Cessna. Same goes for Bearhawk.

The best things in life are not easy.

Have been flying my Rebel for quite a few years now, and would do it all
over again without any doubt or hesitation.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of kyle
martin
Sent: February 12, 2009 12:48 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Test...kind of. And a wait time for MAM.

If i was the one grading them, I'd probably FLUNK THEM! but i am also like
the angry old math teacher that favors upstanding students, so that isnt
exactly fair. oh well.

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Fred Messinger (fredm) <
fredmessinger@gmail.com> wrote:

I should have been more clear... It's actually a D-MINUS! Ugh!!

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Fred Messinger (fredm) <
fredmessinger@gmail.com> wrote:

This may be why you had to wait so long, Mike.....

I just checked the Better Business Bureau in Vancouver. This is what I
found.

Murphy has a D- rating!!!!!!

BBB Reliability Report for
Murphy Aircraft Mfg. Ltd.

BBB Rating

Based on BBB files, this business has a BBB Rating of D-.
Reasons for this rating include:

- Failure to respond to complaints filed against business.



On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Fred Messinger (fredm) <
fredmessinger@gmail.com> wrote:

There's got to be a better way than this. I can't believe how much

money

I paid for this feeling of frustration.

I knew I should have gone with a Bearhawk.


On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Michael Kraus <
n223rv@wolflakeairport.net> wrote:

I

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