[rebel-builders] Rebel Instrument Panel - Dynon D180 --- Pow

[Richard Wampach]

Screws sound good if you can find a # 6 structural strength. But you
will probably be better off with #8 in a MS or AN part number. That is
what I am considering on the SR

Dick Wampach SR=108

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Dave Ricker
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 5:32 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Rebel Instrument Panel - Dynon D180 ---
Powder Coating, Nutplates

Eric

I've been following the discussion on your panel and it's a good
motivation for
our project which is off-line for the moment for house building/moving.
Nice
piece of work you've done.

You mentioned powder coating the panel. From what we understand from
MAM the
panel is a structural part of the airframe so that may not be a good
idea. The
curing temperature for powder coating is generally above the temperature
which
will anneal (remove heat treatment) the 6061-T6 making its yield
strength much
lower. I'm told there are some lower temperature powder coating
processes but
for the work I do with structural aluminum (marine cranes) we consider
the
process too risky.

Speaking of structural, I also see you mentioned using screws to hold
the panel
in, an idea I like, looking at the in-plane photo are the locations
essentially
where the rivits would have been used? What size screws, about #6?

Cheers,

Dave
Elite 583

Eric Fogelin wrote:

I went back and forth on white text or black. With a grey panel, you

can go

either way. I used vinyl labels which should stand up to wear and

tear. If

you knew that you would never change your panel, you could get it

powder

coated and labels silk screened.

But, the fun of building your own plane is that you can change your

panel in

the future. I know and knew I would. Right now there is a temporary

label

marked GRUMP. Not only does it describe my personality, this also

helps

remind me to put the water rudders and landing gear in the correct

place. It

is a variation of the standard takeoff and landing GUMP:

G - Gas
R - Water "R"udders
U - Undercarriage
M - Mixture
P - Prop

In the future I may modify the panel and add lights, horns, mirrors,

more

labels, or just never get distracted during landing.

Before you decide on a center console, do a mockup with cardboard or

scrap

aluminum. I went through a couple of design ideas before I found one

that

would work and was sturdy.

I plan a 3rd seat in the future. Plenty of room in the back and CG is

not a

problem. An adult would be comfortable for a $100 hamburger ride, a

child or

teenager, no problem.

Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
james.smith@dcsol.com
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 8:27 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Rebel Instrument Panel - Dynon D180

Eric,

Your panel looks great. I'm going to use the clear tape labels just

like

yours
except I am thinking of black ink instead of white, although now I

have a

good example of the the alternative option.

Hopefully there will be two pilots in the family in the future as

well, my

wife
started her primary instruction a few years ago but quit when she got
pregnant with our first child. Hopefully she'll start up again once

the

Rebel is
airborn and the fact that we installed a 3rd seat for our now 3 year

old

daughter.

I sure do like the simplicty of the Garmin stack but the only way it

would

work
in an Rebel panel would be to add the drop down center console like

you did.

James

On 11/29/2008 4:02 PM, elist@whidbey.com wrote to rebel-builders:

-> I posted pictures of my Elite amphib panel in the Elite Instrument

Panel

-> section. Also shows the center console for the hydraulic selector,

etc.

->
-> We have similar layouts. I went for the separate Dynon D100 and

D120 as

-> there are 2 pilots in the household and you can switch EFIS and EMS
screens
-> between the units. Flying pilot just switches the screens to have

full

-> flying display in front of them.
->
-> Less expensive to go with the D180 and a bit less weight. But, the

Dynon

-> units weigh so little, it doesn't really matter. One Dynon unit

weighs

about
-> the same or less than a turn and bank, but includes every flight
instrument
-> imaginable.
->
-> I also have not installed a backup ASI or Altimeter and I certified

my

-> amphib for VFR and IFR. Unlike a certified aircraft which must meet

the

-> requirements of Part 23 (in the US), homebuilts need only comply

with

-> 91.205. It is up to the builder to decide what they feel is safe.
->
-> I plan on using mine to pop through the thin West Coast marine

layers

that
-> we have so that I can fly to/from beautiful sunny and warm lakes

inland.

->
-> Right now, I'm still in my 40 hour test phase and learning to

become

friends
-> with a glass cockpit. I've gotten mighty used to old steam gauges

and the

-> transition to speed and altitude tapes is a bit of work. Engine

gauges

with
-> digital numbers are not intuitive like needles. The Dynon units

include

-> needles and numbers, but I still have to think when I look at the
screens.
-> And I'm a computer geek.
->
-> Lots of fun.
->
-> Eric
-> Elite Amphib 645E
->
->
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf

Of

-> james.smith@dcsol.com
-> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:27 PM
-> To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> Subject: [rebel-builders] Rebel Instrument Panel - Dynon D180
->
-> I have posted a picture of my instrument panel under the Rebel

Instrument

-> Panel section of files if anyone is interested in what the Dynon

D180

would
-> look like in a Rebel. I am using the D180 which is the combined

EFIS and

-> EMS
-> system. Also have panel mounted Garmin 196/496 series GPS and

Terra

Com
-> and Transponder. Decided against backup ASI and Altimeter although
there
-> is room to add 2 1/4 gauges under the Dynon at a later date if

desired.

The
->
-> garmin, radios and Throttle are deadcenter of the panel. Now that

the

rough
->
-> cut is finished, we'll take apart to prime, paint and label. Panel

will

be
-> a light
-> gray interior color.
->
-> Anyway, just my take on a lightweight, new age panel.
->
-> James Smith
-> Rebel 424R
->
->
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