[rebel-builders] Fuel Tank

Jean Poirier · Post by **Jean Poirier** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:38 am

Hello Charlie

The ribs I had where also bent. Wayne, our "preacher", told me to let them
this way, they come strait as you drill them with the skins... They are
almost impossible to straiten. Hope it help you,

Jean
Rebel 747R

Jean Poirier
Pr

steve whitenect · Post by **steve whitenect** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:38 am

Hi Charlie
Draw the line on the center of the flange as per instruction. Center the
flange in the hole line on the skin. Hold the flange in place with a sharp
scribe while u apply the drill to the next hole. Watch the line in nearby
holes so if it moves, u'l see it. Use a high quality sharp drill bit 3\32
and apply only the weight of ur drill or even less. Allow the drill to
start into the flange before applying any more pressure or it will just slip
to the side.

Steve W. 637R

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N.Smith · Post by **N.Smith** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:38 am

As usual Wayne was right....the ribs do come straight as you build.

I took them up to a metals specialist when he visited my works hanger last
year, and he said the process involved to straighten them without weakening
would cost a fortune - and no point !

Just sealed a "seap" on my first tank - after cure time one more test then
top skin on and start on the second wing :-)

Nig
745E

-----Original Message-----
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Jean Poirier
Sent: 31 January 2007 21:04
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Fuel Tank

Hello Charlie

The ribs I had where also bent. Wayne, our "preacher", told me to let them
this way, they come strait as you drill them with the skins... They are
almost impossible to straiten. Hope it help you,

Jean
Rebel 747R

Jean Poirier
Pr

Charlie Eubanks · Post by **Charlie Eubanks** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:38 am

Thanks Jean, Steve & Nig

I didn't think there was going to be an easy way to straighten the tank
ribs. As they say there no harm in asking. At least now I know what I have
to do. Thanks again.

Charlie E. 802R

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Poirier" <jean.poirier@oxyportneuf.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 3:04 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Fuel Tank

[quote]Hello Charlie

The ribs I had where also bent. Wayne, our "preacher", told me to let
them
this way, they come strait as you drill them with the skins... They are
almost impossible to straiten. Hope it help you,

Jean
Rebel 747R

Jean Poirier
Pr

Jean Poirier · Post by **Jean Poirier** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:38 am

Hello Charlie,

Do not use a 3/32" drill, use a #40...

Jean Poirier
Pr

Charlie Eubanks · Post by **Charlie Eubanks** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:38 am

Right Jean
I am sure that's what Steve meant. I always use #40. By the way I have never
had any problem with understanding your English. Thanks again.
Charlie E. 802R
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Poirier" <jean.poirier@oxyportneuf.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 7:13 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Fuel Tank

[quote]Hello Charlie,

Do not use a 3/32" drill, use a #40...

Jean Poirier
Pr

Wayne G. O'Shea · Post by **Wayne G. O'Shea** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:38 am

There is nothing wrong with a 3/32" drill fellas. It's not your finished
size..you're not trying to put a rivet in it and the cleco's could care
less. They are also cheaper than #40's. In 14 years I've used less than a
dozen #40's as they are only needed when making holes for nut plates/anchor
nuts. The other handfuls of bits have been 3/32nds. Use #30's only, of
course, for final size and rivets.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie Eubanks" <charlie@troyairpark.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fuel Tank

[quote]Right Jean
I am sure that's what Steve meant. I always use #40. By the way I have
never
had any problem with understanding your English. Thanks again.
Charlie E. 802R
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Poirier" <jean.poirier@oxyportneuf.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 7:13 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Fuel Tank

[quote]Hello Charlie,

Do not use a 3/32" drill, use a #40...

Jean Poirier
Pr

Jean Poirier · Post by **Jean Poirier** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:38 am

Wayne,

You open my mind! With solid rivets, there is a lot of 3/32" rivets but
not with our blind ones... Slow evolution... may be someday you will make me
an acceptable builder! I still have fun...

Jean Poirier
Pr

steve whitenect · Post by **steve whitenect** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:38 am

I always use 135* split point drills to avoid skating on any light or thin
surfaces and I meant 3/32" as to the best of my short learned brain, the
numbered drills are straight cut. But have been wrong many times before!!

Steve W 637R

[quote]From: "Charlie Eubanks" <charlie@troyairpark.com>
Reply-To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fuel Tank
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 07:56:08 -0600

Right Jean
I am sure that's what Steve meant. I always use #40. By the way I have
never
had any problem with understanding your English. Thanks again.
Charlie E. 802R
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean Poirier" <jean.poirier@oxyportneuf.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 7:13 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Fuel Tank

[quote]Hello Charlie,

Do not use a 3/32" drill, use a #40...

Jean Poirier
Pr

Tim Hickey · Post by **Tim Hickey** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:38 am

Hello, All
First a brief update on my status as a Rebel Builder. I have received a
windshield, and have had contact with the factory as it seems that they are
in the process of totaling the bill and getting the box filled with the kit
for shipping. I would expect that come sometime late Feb I will have a kit
and will start bugging all of you experienced builders about the standard
problems. I have been reading this group for about 9 months, now, and I have
tried to keep notes about the issues that most builders have. I guess we
will just have to wait and see how construction goes.
I have re-designed the table recommended by Murphy a bit. I have (will) make
it in two separate tables each 48 x 96. That way, when I am done I can take
it apart and have two work benches/tables instead of one long one. Plus I
have decided to make the table top at 37 inches from the floor. This may be
too tall for working on the Fuselage, but it would seem to be better to have
it taller when working on everything else. When I get to the fuselage if I
feel that the table is too tall, I will cut the legs off 6 inches or so.

Now I have a question for the collective experience out there. Charlie
Eubanks introduced it, and so far no one has offered an opinion about it.

Here are his words..
My previous project was a Glastar and because of its folding wing feature it

only has one fuel outlet per wing tank. The fuel capacity was 33 Gal. with
only 27 Gal. useable. In a descending glide with only 3 Gal's remaining in
each tank the fuel lines could un-port long enough to create temporary
fuel
starvation. This problem finally became un-acceptable and Glastar's
solution
was to add a small vented header tank in series and just down stream of
each
wing tank. The header tank had sufficient fuel capacity to keep the engine
running until the nose was raised and the port would close and
re-establish
fuel supply.

Since the Rebel also has only one fuel outlet port per tank, I wondered if
anyone has ever had a similar problem? If so what was the solution?

Any thought anyone? It would seem that adding a additional fuel port more
towards the front of the tank could provide a fuel supply in the case of a
nose low decent with low fuel.
Is there room in the wing root area to do this?

Thanks.

Tim Hickey
2658 300th St
Montrose, Iowa 52639
Home 319 463-7047
Cell 319 795-2684

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Mike Kimball · Post by **Mike Kimball** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:38 am

There's room on a Super Rebel. I now wish I had put in two outlets but I
just put in one where Murphy indicated. Murphy did "move" the position of
the one outlet from it's original location in a builder's note I ran across
somewhere on their website. Originally, they had the outlet near the back
of the tank. The new location is about a third of the way forward from that
position. Low fuel in a descent probably could un-port that outlet. I
guess I will have to not allow a low fuel situation to occur. I know I
won't take off with low fuel because I need over 15 gallons in my tank
before I can even see it in my sight tube. I won't be taking off if I can't
see fuel in the sight tube.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Hickey
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 6:59 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fuel Tank

Hello, All
First a brief update on my status as a Rebel Builder. I have received a
windshield, and have had contact with the factory as it seems that they are
in the process of totaling the bill and getting the box filled with the kit
for shipping. I would expect that come sometime late Feb I will have a kit
and will start bugging all of you experienced builders about the standard
problems. I have been reading this group for about 9 months, now, and I have

tried to keep notes about the issues that most builders have. I guess we
will just have to wait and see how construction goes.
I have re-designed the table recommended by Murphy a bit. I have (will) make

it in two separate tables each 48 x 96. That way, when I am done I can take
it apart and have two work benches/tables instead of one long one. Plus I
have decided to make the table top at 37 inches from the floor. This may be
too tall for working on the Fuselage, but it would seem to be better to have

it taller when working on everything else. When I get to the fuselage if I
feel that the table is too tall, I will cut the legs off 6 inches or so.

Now I have a question for the collective experience out there. Charlie
Eubanks introduced it, and so far no one has offered an opinion about it.

Here are his words..
My previous project was a Glastar and because of its folding wing feature it

only has one fuel outlet per wing tank. The fuel capacity was 33 Gal. with
only 27 Gal. useable. In a descending glide with only 3 Gal's remaining in
each tank the fuel lines could un-port long enough to create temporary
fuel
starvation. This problem finally became un-acceptable and Glastar's
solution
was to add a small vented header tank in series and just down stream of
each
wing tank. The header tank had sufficient fuel capacity to keep the engine
running until the nose was raised and the port would close and
re-establish
fuel supply.

Since the Rebel also has only one fuel outlet port per tank, I wondered if
anyone has ever had a similar problem? If so what was the solution?

Any thought anyone? It would seem that adding a additional fuel port more
towards the front of the tank could provide a fuel supply in the case of a
nose low decent with low fuel.
Is there room in the wing root area to do this?

Thanks.

Tim Hickey
2658 300th St
Montrose, Iowa 52639
Home 319 463-7047
Cell 319 795-2684

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Robert Johnson · Post by **Robert Johnson** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:38 am

Hi Tim: you must have received the windshield I have been waiting and paid
for since August 2006. I am going to have to test fly with goggles on as I
can't seem to get Murphy to ship me one. You will enjoy the build - great
airplane that Rebel - even windowless. The group answered your fuel outlet
question and I definitely agree - one is plenty. My 1st Rebel (652) could
drain all but 2-3 liters from the one rear port in level flight and I only
know this from ground test from fuel flow checks. I , like Bob P, would
never let fuel get that low to be concerned about needing a more forward
port. Have fun. Bob J Rebel 192/731
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Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fuel Tank

Hello, All
First a brief update on my status as a Rebel Builder. I have received a
windshield,

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Wayne G. O'Shea · Post by **Wayne G. O'Shea** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:38 am

Gotta be the first guy with a windshield before the kit. Kinda like the
chicken before the egg and here Bob J's in need and you won't be for many
moons Tim!

As Bob P. says keep it upright as it would be installed and covered out of
the light so the protective cover doesn't melt in. The box it came in is
probably your best bet...after you have taken it out and made sure the
shipper didn't throw it and bust a corner out of it that is!

You would have to stuff the nose VERY hard to unport the fuel fitting even
low on fuel. Double porting also negates the syphon effect the fuel line
would have with just the rear port, as when you get low on fuel as it will
draw air from the front port easier than fuel from the back, especially if
you are running a fuel pump. Even the old style of fuel gauge sight fitting
tee'd into the main outlet stopped the syphon ability of the tank. Starting
with an empty tank it would take adding 10 gallons of fuel to the tank....
to get fuel to flow to the carb on FOKM before I changed the site gauge set
up to a seperate isolated fitting. After moving it fuel flow became almost
instant with the first few gallons added to the tank.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Johnson" <bestofbo@cogeco.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fuel Tank

Hi Tim: you must have received the windshield I have been waiting and paid
for since August 2006. I am going to have to test fly with goggles on as I
can't seem to get Murphy to ship me one. You will enjoy the build - great
airplane that Rebel - even windowless. The group answered your fuel
outlet
question and I definitely agree - one is plenty. My 1st Rebel (652) could
drain all but 2-3 liters from the one rear port in level flight and I only
know this from ground test from fuel flow checks. I , like Bob P, would
never let fuel get that low to be concerned about needing a more forward
port. Have fun. Bob J Rebel 192/731
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Hickey" <tjhickey@iowatelecom.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fuel Tank

Hello, All
First a brief update on my status as a Rebel Builder. I have received a
windshield,

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Wayne G. O'Shea · Post by **Wayne G. O'Shea** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:38 am

The big thing the last year or so was no source or availability for 8.5 x 6
tubes. All inventory bought out and mfg wasn't making any... Not sure about
the tires.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Messinger (fredm)" <fredmessinger@gmail.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fuel Tank

Just got my Moose windshield on Saturday. The rest of the kit arrived
back
in June '06. Still missing the tires though? What's the deal with the
stinking tires????? Are they all being rationed to Iraq?

Fred

On 2/2/07, Robert Johnson <bestofbo@cogeco.ca> wrote:
Hi Tim: you must have received the windshield I have been waiting and
paid
for since August 2006. I am going to have to test fly with goggles on as
I
can't seem to get Murphy to ship me one. You will enjoy the build - great
airplane that Rebel - even windowless. The group answered your fuel
outlet
question and I definitely agree - one is plenty. My 1st Rebel (652) could
drain all but 2-3 liters from the one rear port in level flight and I
only
know this from ground test from fuel flow checks. I , like Bob P, would
never let fuel get that low to be concerned about needing a more forward
port. Have fun. Bob J Rebel 192/731
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Hickey" <tjhickey@iowatelecom.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fuel Tank

Hello, All
First a brief update on my status as a Rebel Builder. I have received a
windshield,

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Fred Messinger (fredm) · Post by **Fred Messinger (fredm)** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:39 am

Just got my Moose windshield on Saturday. The rest of the kit arrived back
in June '06. Still missing the tires though? What's the deal with the
stinking tires????? Are they all being rationed to Iraq?

Fred

On 2/2/07, Robert Johnson <bestofbo@cogeco.ca> wrote:

Hi Tim: you must have received the windshield I have been waiting and paid
for since August 2006. I am going to have to test fly with goggles on as I
can't seem to get Murphy to ship me one. You will enjoy the build - great
airplane that Rebel - even windowless. The group answered your fuel
outlet
question and I definitely agree - one is plenty. My 1st Rebel (652) could
drain all but 2-3 liters from the one rear port in level flight and I only
know this from ground test from fuel flow checks. I , like Bob P, would
never let fuel get that low to be concerned about needing a more forward
port. Have fun. Bob J Rebel 192/731
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Hickey" <tjhickey@iowatelecom.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Fuel Tank

Hello, All
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windshield,

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