Ken-
Allow us to be the first on the list to congratulate you on finally
completing the navigation of Canada's paperwork quagmire, and moving on to navigate
in the sky. It's great to see "Rubber Ducky" in the air!
Keeps smiling, and I hope to see you and "The Ducky" at Brampton (or
Oshkosh!) soon!
All best!
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Great news Ken. Congratulations.
Mike
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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 7:42 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Joined the club at last
Well I posted a wee pic as proof last thursday and I din't want to make
a fuss but I guess I should fess up and admit that I finally got to the
end of the paper admin stuff and 119R (Rubber Rebel Ducky) has 4.0 hours
on her as of this evening.
It flies nicely hands off and climbs at about 800 fpm with the EJ22 at a
weight of about 1400 lb.
With the 3 blade 72" Warp at about 12 degrees I'm getting about 4400 static
rpm and 4800 in the climb. It tops out at about 110 knots at 5100 rpm at
3,000 asl with the 1.92:1 psru. I figure I'm making about 120 hp in the
climb like this so it is not working hard at all.
Stall starts about 42 K flapless or 40 with flap. I haven't calibrated the
IAS yet but the GPS seems to agree within about 5 knots of IAS. Rudder is
sensitive, light, and very effective throughout. With the offset vertical
stab it climbs in trim but the ball is out about a sixteenth inch or so at
low power cruise. I think with a passenger and normal cruise power it might
be back in the center. I've mostly just been tooling around at 3800 to 4000
rpm and about 75 knots while burning about 14 liters per hour (4 usgal)
while I burn off time and break in the engine. (No need for a full power
break in on this one.) It seems to need a minimum of about 3200 rpm to
maintain altitude at about 60 knots.
Cooling has been amazing just like it was during ground testing. Water
temperature sits at 85 C all the time (thermostat) and I haven't even opened
the cowl flap beyond position 2 of 5. Occasionally it has peaked at 90 C
after firewalling it but it quicky comes right back down. Warmest OAT was 27
C so far. Peak oil temp has been 107 C in a climb. In cruise it sits about
95 C. It has a oil to water heat exhanger which also gets the oil up to temp
within about 10 minutes of startup.
I'm gradually learning how to land the thing (thanks again Bobp) but it
can't be stalled on as it takes a much higher nose up than a 3 point
attitude to stall it. It does have Angus's Mackenzie STOL leading edge. Even
with the moved firewall and 30 degrees of up elevator it was inded a good
suggestion to throw a bit of ballast in the baggage area, especially when
the fuel gets down to about 1/3.
It seems that it is the quietest plane on the field. I'm starting to relax
now and really enjoy it. I should probably try to improve the compass swing
accuracy but no snags and nothing to do but fly it for the time being :)
An observer reported that my two leaf steel tailsping was flexing about 3"
during my bouncing this evening so it might be a touch on the soft side but
it seems like a good match to MAM's tailwheel to me. No shimmy and the
kickout is working perfectly.
Ken
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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 7:42 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Joined the club at last
Well I posted a wee pic as proof last thursday and I din't want to make
a fuss but I guess I should fess up and admit that I finally got to the
end of the paper admin stuff and 119R (Rubber Rebel Ducky) has 4.0 hours
on her as of this evening.
It flies nicely hands off and climbs at about 800 fpm with the EJ22 at a
weight of about 1400 lb.
With the 3 blade 72" Warp at about 12 degrees I'm getting about 4400 static
rpm and 4800 in the climb. It tops out at about 110 knots at 5100 rpm at
3,000 asl with the 1.92:1 psru. I figure I'm making about 120 hp in the
climb like this so it is not working hard at all.
Stall starts about 42 K flapless or 40 with flap. I haven't calibrated the
IAS yet but the GPS seems to agree within about 5 knots of IAS. Rudder is
sensitive, light, and very effective throughout. With the offset vertical
stab it climbs in trim but the ball is out about a sixteenth inch or so at
low power cruise. I think with a passenger and normal cruise power it might
be back in the center. I've mostly just been tooling around at 3800 to 4000
rpm and about 75 knots while burning about 14 liters per hour (4 usgal)
while I burn off time and break in the engine. (No need for a full power
break in on this one.) It seems to need a minimum of about 3200 rpm to
maintain altitude at about 60 knots.
Cooling has been amazing just like it was during ground testing. Water
temperature sits at 85 C all the time (thermostat) and I haven't even opened
the cowl flap beyond position 2 of 5. Occasionally it has peaked at 90 C
after firewalling it but it quicky comes right back down. Warmest OAT was 27
C so far. Peak oil temp has been 107 C in a climb. In cruise it sits about
95 C. It has a oil to water heat exhanger which also gets the oil up to temp
within about 10 minutes of startup.
I'm gradually learning how to land the thing (thanks again Bobp) but it
can't be stalled on as it takes a much higher nose up than a 3 point
attitude to stall it. It does have Angus's Mackenzie STOL leading edge. Even
with the moved firewall and 30 degrees of up elevator it was inded a good
suggestion to throw a bit of ballast in the baggage area, especially when
the fuel gets down to about 1/3.
It seems that it is the quietest plane on the field. I'm starting to relax
now and really enjoy it. I should probably try to improve the compass swing
accuracy but no snags and nothing to do but fly it for the time being :)
An observer reported that my two leaf steel tailsping was flexing about 3"
during my bouncing this evening so it might be a touch on the soft side but
it seems like a good match to MAM's tailwheel to me. No shimmy and the
kickout is working perfectly.
Ken
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Bob Patterson
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Congratulations Ken !! :-)
Sounds like you are going to have a very sturdy, reliable, enjoyable,
economical Rebel ! All the numbers sound good - where did the C of G
end up ?? Fuel burn (or lack thereof ;-) ) is impressive !
As you note, maybe the tail spring is a bit too flexy, or perhaps
too long & tall to let the tail down more for landing ?? Once it's
broken in, you might want to try a bit finer pitch to let it turn
a bit more - should improve the climb, and cruise maybe at 5200 or
so, with little load ... but what you've got right now ain't bad !! ;-)
Enjoy !! (I imagine you'll soon need a red-headed co-pilot
to 'monitor the temps' - and help enjoy the ride ! ) ;-)
If Brampton is within the 25 mile 'rubber ruler' range, maybe you'll
make it over on one Monday night for the RAA BBQ .....
--
......bobp
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com
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On Sunday 09 July 2006 03:42 am, Ken wrote:
3,000 asl with the 1.92:1 psru. I figure I'm making about 120 hp in the climb
like this so it is not working hard at all.
sensitive, light, and very effective throughout. With the offset vertical
stab it climbs in trim but the ball is out about a sixteenth inch or so at
low power cruise. I think with a passenger and normal cruise power it might
be back in the center. I've mostly just been tooling around at 3800 to 4000
rpm and about 75 knots while burning about 14 liters per hour (4 usgal) while
I burn off time and break in the engine. (No need for a full power break in
on this one.) It seems to need a minimum of about 3200 rpm to maintain
altitude at about 60 knots.
the cowl flap beyond position 2 of 5. Occasionally it has peaked at 90 C
after firewalling it but it quicky comes right back down. Warmest OAT was 27
C so far. Peak oil temp has been 107 C in a climb. In cruise it sits about 95
C. It has a oil to water heat exhanger which also gets the oil up to temp
within about 10 minutes of startup.
to stall it. It does have Angus's Mackenzie STOL leading edge. Even with the
moved firewall and 30 degrees of up elevator it was inded a good suggestion
to throw a bit of ballast in the baggage area, especially when the fuel gets
down to about 1/3.
accuracy but no snags and nothing to do but fly it for the time being :)
it seems like a good match to MAM's tailwheel to me. No shimmy and the
kickout is working perfectly.
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Sounds like you are going to have a very sturdy, reliable, enjoyable,
economical Rebel ! All the numbers sound good - where did the C of G
end up ?? Fuel burn (or lack thereof ;-) ) is impressive !
As you note, maybe the tail spring is a bit too flexy, or perhaps
too long & tall to let the tail down more for landing ?? Once it's
broken in, you might want to try a bit finer pitch to let it turn
a bit more - should improve the climb, and cruise maybe at 5200 or
so, with little load ... but what you've got right now ain't bad !! ;-)
Enjoy !! (I imagine you'll soon need a red-headed co-pilot
to 'monitor the temps' - and help enjoy the ride ! ) ;-)
If Brampton is within the 25 mile 'rubber ruler' range, maybe you'll
make it over on one Monday night for the RAA BBQ .....
--
......bobp
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com
-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Sunday 09 July 2006 03:42 am, Ken wrote:
weight of about 1400 lb.Well I posted a wee pic as proof last thursday and I din't want to make
a fuss but I guess I should fess up and admit that I finally got to the
end of the paper admin stuff and 119R (Rubber Rebel Ducky) has 4.0 hours
on her as of this evening.
It flies nicely hands off and climbs at about 800 fpm with the EJ22 at a
rpm and 4800 in the climb. It tops out at about 110 knots at 5100 rpm atWith the 3 blade 72" Warp at about 12 degrees I'm getting about 4400 static
3,000 asl with the 1.92:1 psru. I figure I'm making about 120 hp in the climb
like this so it is not working hard at all.
IAS yet but the GPS seems to agree within about 5 knots of IAS. Rudder isStall starts about 42 K flapless or 40 with flap. I haven't calibrated the
sensitive, light, and very effective throughout. With the offset vertical
stab it climbs in trim but the ball is out about a sixteenth inch or so at
low power cruise. I think with a passenger and normal cruise power it might
be back in the center. I've mostly just been tooling around at 3800 to 4000
rpm and about 75 knots while burning about 14 liters per hour (4 usgal) while
I burn off time and break in the engine. (No need for a full power break in
on this one.) It seems to need a minimum of about 3200 rpm to maintain
altitude at about 60 knots.
temperature sits at 85 C all the time (thermostat) and I haven't even openedCooling has been amazing just like it was during ground testing. Water
the cowl flap beyond position 2 of 5. Occasionally it has peaked at 90 C
after firewalling it but it quicky comes right back down. Warmest OAT was 27
C so far. Peak oil temp has been 107 C in a climb. In cruise it sits about 95
C. It has a oil to water heat exhanger which also gets the oil up to temp
within about 10 minutes of startup.
can't be stalled on as it takes a much higher nose up than a 3 point attitudeI'm gradually learning how to land the thing (thanks again Bobp) but it
to stall it. It does have Angus's Mackenzie STOL leading edge. Even with the
moved firewall and 30 degrees of up elevator it was inded a good suggestion
to throw a bit of ballast in the baggage area, especially when the fuel gets
down to about 1/3.
now and really enjoy it. I should probably try to improve the compass swingIt seems that it is the quietest plane on the field. I'm starting to relax
accuracy but no snags and nothing to do but fly it for the time being :)
during my bouncing this evening so it might be a touch on the soft side butAn observer reported that my two leaf steel tailsping was flexing about 3"
it seems like a good match to MAM's tailwheel to me. No shimmy and the
kickout is working perfectly.
Ken
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N.Smith
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Great News Ken
The picture looks great.
Enjoy the rest of the summer.
Nig
745E
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Sent: 09 July 2006 04:42
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Joined the club at last
Well I posted a wee pic as proof last thursday and I din't want to make
a fuss but I guess I should fess up and admit that I finally got to the
end of the paper admin stuff and 119R (Rubber Rebel Ducky) has 4.0 hours
on her as of this evening.
It flies nicely hands off and climbs at about 800 fpm with the EJ22 at a
weight of about 1400 lb.
With the 3 blade 72" Warp at about 12 degrees I'm getting about 4400 static
rpm and 4800 in the climb. It tops out at about 110 knots at 5100 rpm at
3,000 asl with the 1.92:1 psru. I figure I'm making about 120 hp in the
climb like this so it is not working hard at all.
Stall starts about 42 K flapless or 40 with flap. I haven't calibrated the
IAS yet but the GPS seems to agree within about 5 knots of IAS. Rudder is
sensitive, light, and very effective throughout. With the offset vertical
stab it climbs in trim but the ball is out about a sixteenth inch or so at
low power cruise. I think with a passenger and normal cruise power it might
be back in the center. I've mostly just been tooling around at 3800 to 4000
rpm and about 75 knots while burning about 14 liters per hour (4 usgal)
while I burn off time and break in the engine. (No need for a full power
break in on this one.) It seems to need a minimum of about 3200 rpm to
maintain altitude at about 60 knots.
Cooling has been amazing just like it was during ground testing. Water
temperature sits at 85 C all the time (thermostat) and I haven't even opened
the cowl flap beyond position 2 of 5. Occasionally it has peaked at 90 C
after firewalling it but it quicky comes right back down. Warmest OAT was 27
C so far. Peak oil temp has been 107 C in a climb. In cruise it sits about
95 C. It has a oil to water heat exhanger which also gets the oil up to temp
within about 10 minutes of startup.
I'm gradually learning how to land the thing (thanks again Bobp) but it
can't be stalled on as it takes a much higher nose up than a 3 point
attitude to stall it. It does have Angus's Mackenzie STOL leading edge. Even
with the moved firewall and 30 degrees of up elevator it was inded a good
suggestion to throw a bit of ballast in the baggage area, especially when
the fuel gets down to about 1/3.
It seems that it is the quietest plane on the field. I'm starting to relax
now and really enjoy it. I should probably try to improve the compass swing
accuracy but no snags and nothing to do but fly it for the time being :)
An observer reported that my two leaf steel tailsping was flexing about 3"
during my bouncing this evening so it might be a touch on the soft side but
it seems like a good match to MAM's tailwheel to me. No shimmy and the
kickout is working perfectly.
Ken
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The picture looks great.
Enjoy the rest of the summer.
Nig
745E
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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: 09 July 2006 04:42
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: [rebel-builders] Joined the club at last
Well I posted a wee pic as proof last thursday and I din't want to make
a fuss but I guess I should fess up and admit that I finally got to the
end of the paper admin stuff and 119R (Rubber Rebel Ducky) has 4.0 hours
on her as of this evening.
It flies nicely hands off and climbs at about 800 fpm with the EJ22 at a
weight of about 1400 lb.
With the 3 blade 72" Warp at about 12 degrees I'm getting about 4400 static
rpm and 4800 in the climb. It tops out at about 110 knots at 5100 rpm at
3,000 asl with the 1.92:1 psru. I figure I'm making about 120 hp in the
climb like this so it is not working hard at all.
Stall starts about 42 K flapless or 40 with flap. I haven't calibrated the
IAS yet but the GPS seems to agree within about 5 knots of IAS. Rudder is
sensitive, light, and very effective throughout. With the offset vertical
stab it climbs in trim but the ball is out about a sixteenth inch or so at
low power cruise. I think with a passenger and normal cruise power it might
be back in the center. I've mostly just been tooling around at 3800 to 4000
rpm and about 75 knots while burning about 14 liters per hour (4 usgal)
while I burn off time and break in the engine. (No need for a full power
break in on this one.) It seems to need a minimum of about 3200 rpm to
maintain altitude at about 60 knots.
Cooling has been amazing just like it was during ground testing. Water
temperature sits at 85 C all the time (thermostat) and I haven't even opened
the cowl flap beyond position 2 of 5. Occasionally it has peaked at 90 C
after firewalling it but it quicky comes right back down. Warmest OAT was 27
C so far. Peak oil temp has been 107 C in a climb. In cruise it sits about
95 C. It has a oil to water heat exhanger which also gets the oil up to temp
within about 10 minutes of startup.
I'm gradually learning how to land the thing (thanks again Bobp) but it
can't be stalled on as it takes a much higher nose up than a 3 point
attitude to stall it. It does have Angus's Mackenzie STOL leading edge. Even
with the moved firewall and 30 degrees of up elevator it was inded a good
suggestion to throw a bit of ballast in the baggage area, especially when
the fuel gets down to about 1/3.
It seems that it is the quietest plane on the field. I'm starting to relax
now and really enjoy it. I should probably try to improve the compass swing
accuracy but no snags and nothing to do but fly it for the time being :)
An observer reported that my two leaf steel tailsping was flexing about 3"
during my bouncing this evening so it might be a touch on the soft side but
it seems like a good match to MAM's tailwheel to me. No shimmy and the
kickout is working perfectly.
Ken
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Angus McKenzie
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Hello Ken
Congratulations, that is so cool!!!!!!!!
Wish you had let me know you have been out I would have popped in to see you
and 119 and had a visit.
I was out for 7.1hr on Friday and could have come home via Guelph from
Buttonville instead of taking the excursion over Lk.Ontario so I did not
have to talk to the Island.
You must just feel so pumped after all of your hard work and so many hours
of puzzling over issues to finally reach this point.
I'm envious of your fuel flow rate.
My cruise is 80kts -2300rpm(with the float angle opened waaaay up for T/O
performance).
We'll have to get together.
Very best regards, Angus
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Congratulations, that is so cool!!!!!!!!
Wish you had let me know you have been out I would have popped in to see you
and 119 and had a visit.
I was out for 7.1hr on Friday and could have come home via Guelph from
Buttonville instead of taking the excursion over Lk.Ontario so I did not
have to talk to the Island.
You must just feel so pumped after all of your hard work and so many hours
of puzzling over issues to finally reach this point.
I'm envious of your fuel flow rate.
My cruise is 80kts -2300rpm(with the float angle opened waaaay up for T/O
performance).
We'll have to get together.
Very best regards, Angus
----- Original Message -----
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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 11:42 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Joined the club at last
Well I posted a wee pic as proof last thursday and I din't want to make
a fuss but I guess I should fess up and admit that I finally got to the
end of the paper admin stuff and 119R (Rubber Rebel Ducky) has 4.0 hours
on her as of this evening.
It flies nicely hands off and climbs at about 800 fpm with the EJ22 at a
weight of about 1400 lb.
With the 3 blade 72" Warp at about 12 degrees I'm getting about 4400
static rpm and 4800 in the climb. It tops out at about 110 knots at 5100
rpm at 3,000 asl with the 1.92:1 psru. I figure I'm making about 120 hp in
the climb like this so it is not working hard at all.
Stall starts about 42 K flapless or 40 with flap. I haven't calibrated the
IAS yet but the GPS seems to agree within about 5 knots of IAS. Rudder is
sensitive, light, and very effective throughout. With the offset vertical
stab it climbs in trim but the ball is out about a sixteenth inch or so at
low power cruise. I think with a passenger and normal cruise power it
might be back in the center. I've mostly just been tooling around at 3800
to 4000 rpm and about 75 knots while burning about 14 liters per hour (4
usgal) while I burn off time and break in the engine. (No need for a full
power break in on this one.) It seems to need a minimum of about 3200 rpm
to maintain altitude at about 60 knots.
Cooling has been amazing just like it was during ground testing. Water
temperature sits at 85 C all the time (thermostat) and I haven't even
opened the cowl flap beyond position 2 of 5. Occasionally it has peaked at
90 C after firewalling it but it quicky comes right back down. Warmest OAT
was 27 C so far. Peak oil temp has been 107 C in a climb. In cruise it
sits about 95 C. It has a oil to water heat exhanger which also gets the
oil up to temp within about 10 minutes of startup.
I'm gradually learning how to land the thing (thanks again Bobp) but it
can't be stalled on as it takes a much higher nose up than a 3 point
attitude to stall it. It does have Angus's Mackenzie STOL leading edge.
Even with the moved firewall and 30 degrees of up elevator it was inded a
good suggestion to throw a bit of ballast in the baggage area, especially
when the fuel gets down to about 1/3.
It seems that it is the quietest plane on the field. I'm starting to relax
now and really enjoy it. I should probably try to improve the compass
swing accuracy but no snags and nothing to do but fly it for the time
being :)
An observer reported that my two leaf steel tailsping was flexing about 3"
during my bouncing this evening so it might be a touch on the soft side
but it seems like a good match to MAM's tailwheel to me. No shimmy and the
kickout is working perfectly.
Ken
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Congratulations Ken!
Rich
Rebel 806R
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Robert and Olga Johnson
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Hi Ken: Congrats, It is a great feeling and achievement. It looks like a
real pretty bird except for the spam can in the way. Would really like to
see more pics. What is the engine you have (size and horse power and what
redrive are you using.? I am now working on newly acquired Rebel 192 (I just
missed Rebel 652 to much and have to do this again) and am still exploring
all engine options.Congrats again for a job obviously well done. Bob Johnson
(Rebel 192)
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real pretty bird except for the spam can in the way. Would really like to
see more pics. What is the engine you have (size and horse power and what
redrive are you using.? I am now working on newly acquired Rebel 192 (I just
missed Rebel 652 to much and have to do this again) and am still exploring
all engine options.Congrats again for a job obviously well done. Bob Johnson
(Rebel 192)
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Well I posted a wee pic as proof last thursday
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Hi Ken,
Congrats!! Now with a few hrs on it you can really start to enjoy the
flying! I remember the high concentration level of first flight and then that
flight a couple hrs later where you were trusting the gages and the airplane
when the realization of what had been accomplished really hits you.
SEE? we told you it was worth it (grin)
Curt N97MR
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Congrats!! Now with a few hrs on it you can really start to enjoy the
flying! I remember the high concentration level of first flight and then that
flight a couple hrs later where you were trusting the gages and the airplane
when the realization of what had been accomplished really hits you.
SEE? we told you it was worth it (grin)
Curt N97MR
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Walter Klatt
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Congrats Ken, looks like your attention to all the details really paid off.
I know your engine install was a lot more complicated that a Lyc, so quite a
feat to have it come out pretty well perfectly with your cooling right on
first flights. And sounds like pretty decent performance too for an EJ22 at
those RPMs. You should feel very proud.
Just got back from Arlington with Bruce, and will be doing a bunch more
flying around BC here during the next week, and then heading east to Ontario
with Al P. to see Wayne.
Walter
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Well I posted a wee pic as proof last thursday and I din't want to make
a fuss but I guess I should fess up and admit that I finally got to the
end of the paper admin stuff and 119R (Rubber Rebel Ducky) has 4.0 hours
on her as of this evening.
It flies nicely hands off and climbs at about 800 fpm with the EJ22 at a
weight of about 1400 lb.
With the 3 blade 72" Warp at about 12 degrees I'm getting about 4400 static
rpm and 4800 in the climb. It tops out at about 110 knots at 5100 rpm at
3,000 asl with the 1.92:1 psru. I figure I'm making about 120 hp in the
climb like this so it is not working hard at all.
Stall starts about 42 K flapless or 40 with flap. I haven't calibrated the
IAS yet but the GPS seems to agree within about 5 knots of IAS. Rudder is
sensitive, light, and very effective throughout. With the offset vertical
stab it climbs in trim but the ball is out about a sixteenth inch or so at
low power cruise. I think with a passenger and normal cruise power it might
be back in the center. I've mostly just been tooling around at 3800 to 4000
rpm and about 75 knots while burning about 14 liters per hour (4 usgal)
while I burn off time and break in the engine. (No need for a full power
break in on this one.) It seems to need a minimum of about 3200 rpm to
maintain altitude at about 60 knots.
Cooling has been amazing just like it was during ground testing. Water
temperature sits at 85 C all the time (thermostat) and I haven't even opened
the cowl flap beyond position 2 of 5. Occasionally it has peaked at 90 C
after firewalling it but it quicky comes right back down. Warmest OAT was 27
C so far. Peak oil temp has been 107 C in a climb. In cruise it sits about
95 C. It has a oil to water heat exhanger which also gets the oil up to temp
within about 10 minutes of startup.
I'm gradually learning how to land the thing (thanks again Bobp) but it
can't be stalled on as it takes a much higher nose up than a 3 point
attitude to stall it. It does have Angus's Mackenzie STOL leading edge. Even
with the moved firewall and 30 degrees of up elevator it was inded a good
suggestion to throw a bit of ballast in the baggage area, especially when
the fuel gets down to about 1/3.
It seems that it is the quietest plane on the field. I'm starting to relax
now and really enjoy it. I should probably try to improve the compass swing
accuracy but no snags and nothing to do but fly it for the time being :)
An observer reported that my two leaf steel tailsping was flexing about 3"
during my bouncing this evening so it might be a touch on the soft side but
it seems like a good match to MAM's tailwheel to me. No shimmy and the
kickout is working perfectly.
Ken
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I know your engine install was a lot more complicated that a Lyc, so quite a
feat to have it come out pretty well perfectly with your cooling right on
first flights. And sounds like pretty decent performance too for an EJ22 at
those RPMs. You should feel very proud.
Just got back from Arlington with Bruce, and will be doing a bunch more
flying around BC here during the next week, and then heading east to Ontario
with Al P. to see Wayne.
Walter
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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: July 8, 2006 8:42 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
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Well I posted a wee pic as proof last thursday and I din't want to make
a fuss but I guess I should fess up and admit that I finally got to the
end of the paper admin stuff and 119R (Rubber Rebel Ducky) has 4.0 hours
on her as of this evening.
It flies nicely hands off and climbs at about 800 fpm with the EJ22 at a
weight of about 1400 lb.
With the 3 blade 72" Warp at about 12 degrees I'm getting about 4400 static
rpm and 4800 in the climb. It tops out at about 110 knots at 5100 rpm at
3,000 asl with the 1.92:1 psru. I figure I'm making about 120 hp in the
climb like this so it is not working hard at all.
Stall starts about 42 K flapless or 40 with flap. I haven't calibrated the
IAS yet but the GPS seems to agree within about 5 knots of IAS. Rudder is
sensitive, light, and very effective throughout. With the offset vertical
stab it climbs in trim but the ball is out about a sixteenth inch or so at
low power cruise. I think with a passenger and normal cruise power it might
be back in the center. I've mostly just been tooling around at 3800 to 4000
rpm and about 75 knots while burning about 14 liters per hour (4 usgal)
while I burn off time and break in the engine. (No need for a full power
break in on this one.) It seems to need a minimum of about 3200 rpm to
maintain altitude at about 60 knots.
Cooling has been amazing just like it was during ground testing. Water
temperature sits at 85 C all the time (thermostat) and I haven't even opened
the cowl flap beyond position 2 of 5. Occasionally it has peaked at 90 C
after firewalling it but it quicky comes right back down. Warmest OAT was 27
C so far. Peak oil temp has been 107 C in a climb. In cruise it sits about
95 C. It has a oil to water heat exhanger which also gets the oil up to temp
within about 10 minutes of startup.
I'm gradually learning how to land the thing (thanks again Bobp) but it
can't be stalled on as it takes a much higher nose up than a 3 point
attitude to stall it. It does have Angus's Mackenzie STOL leading edge. Even
with the moved firewall and 30 degrees of up elevator it was inded a good
suggestion to throw a bit of ballast in the baggage area, especially when
the fuel gets down to about 1/3.
It seems that it is the quietest plane on the field. I'm starting to relax
now and really enjoy it. I should probably try to improve the compass swing
accuracy but no snags and nothing to do but fly it for the time being :)
An observer reported that my two leaf steel tailsping was flexing about 3"
during my bouncing this evening so it might be a touch on the soft side but
it seems like a good match to MAM's tailwheel to me. No shimmy and the
kickout is working perfectly.
Ken
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Dale Kilbey
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Congratulations Ken
Your stats sound really encouraging. Sounds like it was worth it.
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Your stats sound really encouraging. Sounds like it was worth it.
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Ken
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Thank you everyone.
I have now decided that my landings are not getting better. The last one
was a 4 in 1 touchdown! Maybe it is time to try some wheel landings
since my 3 pointers are now also 3 bouncers ;(
I think I'm going to econo cruise at about 90 kts/103mph at 4400 to 4500
rpm based on what I saw this morning. That just happens to be at the
engines torque peak as well.
Bob J. -the EJ22 is 2.2 liters and 137 hp stock at 5400 rpm and I have
the Marcotte gear box with a 1.92 ratio. As has been said, the EJ25 is
probably preferable now and a higher gear ratio would also be
recommended if putting it on floats or if performance is more important
than economy. C of G is 9.06" at 1040 lb empty but that includes the
heavy wheels, steel die springs, and wing cuff, dual EFI, etc. I didn't
realize that 192R was going to be your own machine - that's great!.
I'll upload another pic and yes my ruler says that Brampton is within 25
miles!
Ken
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I have now decided that my landings are not getting better. The last one
was a 4 in 1 touchdown! Maybe it is time to try some wheel landings
since my 3 pointers are now also 3 bouncers ;(
I think I'm going to econo cruise at about 90 kts/103mph at 4400 to 4500
rpm based on what I saw this morning. That just happens to be at the
engines torque peak as well.
Bob J. -the EJ22 is 2.2 liters and 137 hp stock at 5400 rpm and I have
the Marcotte gear box with a 1.92 ratio. As has been said, the EJ25 is
probably preferable now and a higher gear ratio would also be
recommended if putting it on floats or if performance is more important
than economy. C of G is 9.06" at 1040 lb empty but that includes the
heavy wheels, steel die springs, and wing cuff, dual EFI, etc. I didn't
realize that 192R was going to be your own machine - that's great!.
I'll upload another pic and yes my ruler says that Brampton is within 25
miles!
Ken
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Bruce Georgen
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Congrats Ken! Have fun and keep us posted on your progress.
Bruce G
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Great News Ken
The picture looks great.
Enjoy the rest of the summer.
Nig
745E
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Sent: 09 July 2006 04:42
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Subject: [rebel-builders] Joined the club at last
Well I posted a wee pic as proof last thursday and I din't want to make
a fuss but I guess I should fess up and admit that I finally got to the
end of the paper admin stuff and 119R (Rubber Rebel Ducky) has 4.0 hours
on her as of this evening.
It flies nicely hands off and climbs at about 800 fpm with the EJ22 at a
weight of about 1400 lb.
With the 3 blade 72" Warp at about 12 degrees I'm getting about 4400 static
rpm and 4800 in the climb. It tops out at about 110 knots at 5100 rpm at
3,000 asl with the 1.92:1 psru. I figure I'm making about 120 hp in the
climb like this so it is not working hard at all.
Stall starts about 42 K flapless or 40 with flap. I haven't calibrated the
IAS yet but the GPS seems to agree within about 5 knots of IAS. Rudder is
sensitive, light, and very effective throughout. With the offset vertical
stab it climbs in trim but the ball is out about a sixteenth inch or so at
low power cruise. I think with a passenger and normal cruise power it might
be back in the center. I've mostly just been tooling around at 3800 to 4000
rpm and about 75 knots while burning about 14 liters per hour (4 usgal)
while I burn off time and break in the engine. (No need for a full power
break in on this one.) It seems to need a minimum of about 3200 rpm to
maintain altitude at about 60 knots.
Cooling has been amazing just like it was during ground testing. Water
temperature sits at 85 C all the time (thermostat) and I haven't even opened
the cowl flap beyond position 2 of 5. Occasionally it has peaked at 90 C
after firewalling it but it quicky comes right back down. Warmest OAT was 27
C so far. Peak oil temp has been 107 C in a climb. In cruise it sits about
95 C. It has a oil to water heat exhanger which also gets the oil up to temp
within about 10 minutes of startup.
I'm gradually learning how to land the thing (thanks again Bobp) but it
can't be stalled on as it takes a much higher nose up than a 3 point
attitude to stall it. It does have Angus's Mackenzie STOL leading edge. Even
with the moved firewall and 30 degrees of up elevator it was inded a good
suggestion to throw a bit of ballast in the baggage area, especially when
the fuel gets down to about 1/3.
It seems that it is the quietest plane on the field. I'm starting to relax
now and really enjoy it. I should probably try to improve the compass swing
accuracy but no snags and nothing to do but fly it for the time being :)
An observer reported that my two leaf steel tailsping was flexing about 3"
during my bouncing this evening so it might be a touch on the soft side but
it seems like a good match to MAM's tailwheel to me. No shimmy and the
kickout is working perfectly.
Ken
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Ron Shannon
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Ken,
As you know, the greatest inspiration to those of us who are building is
news like yours -- someone finally getting his craft in the air.
Congratulations, and have fun.
Ron
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As you know, the greatest inspiration to those of us who are building is
news like yours -- someone finally getting his craft in the air.
Congratulations, and have fun.
Ron
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Nice goin' Ken. Nice to "Slip the surly bonds etc ..." and put the tools
away for awhile eh?
Enjoy!
Brian 779R
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away for awhile eh?
Enjoy!
Brian 779R
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Thank you everyone.
I have now decided that my landings are not getting better. The last one
was a 4 in 1 touchdown! Maybe it is time to try some wheel landings
since my 3 pointers are now also 3 bouncers ;(
I think I'm going to econo cruise at about 90 kts/103mph at 4400 to 4500
rpm based on what I saw this morning. That just happens to be at the
engines torque peak as well.
Bob J. -the EJ22 is 2.2 liters and 137 hp stock at 5400 rpm and I have
the Marcotte gear box with a 1.92 ratio. As has been said, the EJ25 is
probably preferable now and a higher gear ratio would also be
recommended if putting it on floats or if performance is more important
than economy. C of G is 9.06" at 1040 lb empty but that includes the
heavy wheels, steel die springs, and wing cuff, dual EFI, etc. I didn't
realize that 192R was going to be your own machine - that's great!.
I'll upload another pic and yes my ruler says that Brampton is within 25
miles!
Ken
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Bob Patterson
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Thanks Ken !
Hmmmmmm... 9.06 ..... You might want to try a sack of water
softener salt (60 - 80 lb. ??) in the baggage area, given that
you have the light Murphy tailwheel... Well tied, of course.
With about half to 3/4 tanks ...
I find wheel landings to be extremely challenging in the Rebel -
only do them when I'm feeling very sharp, and want to practice.
I use 3 pointers always, with full flap always - especially in
crosswinds. Just works better --- for me anyway ! :-)
Anytime you want some noisy ballast, just let me know - be happy
to ride along .... especially if you can come over here ! :-)
More pics !! Yes !!! And for the others ----
Keep rivetting - it IS worth it !! :-)
We want LOTS of Rebels with us for NEXT YEAR'S Rebel Ramble !!
That means you should be flying by MARCH, 2007 !!! :-)
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Hmmmmmm... 9.06 ..... You might want to try a sack of water
softener salt (60 - 80 lb. ??) in the baggage area, given that
you have the light Murphy tailwheel... Well tied, of course.
With about half to 3/4 tanks ...
I find wheel landings to be extremely challenging in the Rebel -
only do them when I'm feeling very sharp, and want to practice.
I use 3 pointers always, with full flap always - especially in
crosswinds. Just works better --- for me anyway ! :-)
Anytime you want some noisy ballast, just let me know - be happy
to ride along .... especially if you can come over here ! :-)
More pics !! Yes !!! And for the others ----
Keep rivetting - it IS worth it !! :-)
We want LOTS of Rebels with us for NEXT YEAR'S Rebel Ramble !!
That means you should be flying by MARCH, 2007 !!! :-)
--
......bobp
http://bpatterson.qhealthbeauty.com
http://apatterson2.qhealthzone.com
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On Sunday 09 July 2006 08:03 pm, Ken wrote:
Thank you everyone.
I have now decided that my landings are not getting better. The last one
was a 4 in 1 touchdown! Maybe it is time to try some wheel landings
since my 3 pointers are now also 3 bouncers ;(
I think I'm going to econo cruise at about 90 kts/103mph at 4400 to 4500
rpm based on what I saw this morning. That just happens to be at the
engines torque peak as well.
Bob J. -the EJ22 is 2.2 liters and 137 hp stock at 5400 rpm and I have
the Marcotte gear box with a 1.92 ratio. As has been said, the EJ25 is
probably preferable now and a higher gear ratio would also be
recommended if putting it on floats or if performance is more important
than economy. C of G is 9.06" at 1040 lb empty but that includes the
heavy wheels, steel die springs, and wing cuff, dual EFI, etc. I didn't
realize that 192R was going to be your own machine - that's great!.
I'll upload another pic and yes my ruler says that Brampton is within 25
miles!
Ken
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