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[rebel-builders] Re:Complaints about the manual and kit

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Jean Poirier

[rebel-builders] Re:Complaints about the manual and kit

Post by Jean Poirier » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:22 am

Completely in agreement with you Norm

Jean
Rebel 747R
----- Original Message -----
From: <NormIsler@aol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 2:06 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Re:Complaints about the manual and kit

Note the new subject header.

I stayed out as long as I could.

For the record, I am an Elite builder, lowtime, most of the way through
the
tail group.

Could the manual be better? Yes! So could several of the competing brand
manuals I have seen, and been told about by area builders further along
then me
on their aircraft projects. The purpose here is to understand the process
and
build, learning along the way. That includes figuring some of it out on
mour
own. I must be doing something right, because even as a first time
builder,
based on inspections from several more experienced builders, the finished
product is turning out right.

But I bought my kit based on my assessment of the entire PROJECT, not
just
the book. And for my "mission," this is the right bird.

Are there issues with the aircraft? Some.
I hear about them from all other manufacturers as well.
I think some of the issues here have been overblown for personal reasons
by
select individuals.

As to the well circulated quote from one dissatisfied Moose builder, that
letter is ONE fact. It's content open to interpretation. And it's writer
perhaps biased. The many more letters and postings from many more
builders are more
facts. And it seems to me Murphy as proposed sulutions to the main
issues.

Instead of just complaining about manual, how about sending in a page
number
and the corrected information so MAM can correct the book for future
builders? We should all be doing that if we believe in the "community" of
shared
knowledge this forum is supposed to be.

And as to this whole thread, while it is valid to discuss the less
appreciated parts of the program, it seems to have been started by a
fairly new name
to the list. My recollection is that this writer started asking questions
about the product so he could "evaluate," and now is trying to "sell" us
on
another product.

I made my decision based on a lot of research and information from others.
I'm not about to change my mind, and I believe the vast majority of people
on
this list won't either. If you prefer the competition's product (or just
their
manual) buy it.

Let's not turn this into a Murphy Aircraft bashing session. There's no
purpose to that, and no profit for any of us. The "profit" to us all in
this forum
is the sharing of knowledge and "tricks to the trade" we all need to build
a
superior airplane, which I believe the Murphy airplanes are.

Norm Isler
Elite 702E




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DieterOberbichler

[rebel-builders] Re:Complaints about the manual and kit

Post by DieterOberbichler » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:22 am

I totally agree with you!!!!!!!!!!

Dieter O.
778R
----- Original Message -----
From: <NormIsler@aol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 8:06 PM
Subject: [rebel-builders] Re:Complaints about the manual and kit

Note the new subject header.

I stayed out as long as I could.

For the record, I am an Elite builder, lowtime, most of the way through
the
tail group.

Could the manual be better? Yes! So could several of the competing brand
manuals I have seen, and been told about by area builders further along
then me
on their aircraft projects. The purpose here is to understand the process
and
build, learning along the way. That includes figuring some of it out on
mour
own. I must be doing something right, because even as a first time
builder,
based on inspections from several more experienced builders, the finished
product is turning out right.

But I bought my kit based on my assessment of the entire PROJECT, not
just
the book. And for my "mission," this is the right bird.

Are there issues with the aircraft? Some.
I hear about them from all other manufacturers as well.
I think some of the issues here have been overblown for personal reasons
by
select individuals.

As to the well circulated quote from one dissatisfied Moose builder, that
letter is ONE fact. It's content open to interpretation. And it's writer
perhaps biased. The many more letters and postings from many more
builders are more
facts. And it seems to me Murphy as proposed sulutions to the main
issues.

Instead of just complaining about manual, how about sending in a page
number
and the corrected information so MAM can correct the book for future
builders? We should all be doing that if we believe in the "community" of
shared
knowledge this forum is supposed to be.

And as to this whole thread, while it is valid to discuss the less
appreciated parts of the program, it seems to have been started by a
fairly new name
to the list. My recollection is that this writer started asking questions
about the product so he could "evaluate," and now is trying to "sell" us
on
another product.

I made my decision based on a lot of research and information from others.
I'm not about to change my mind, and I believe the vast majority of people
on
this list won't either. If you prefer the competition's product (or just
their
manual) buy it.

Let's not turn this into a Murphy Aircraft bashing session. There's no
purpose to that, and no profit for any of us. The "profit" to us all in
this forum
is the sharing of knowledge and "tricks to the trade" we all need to build
a
superior airplane, which I believe the Murphy airplanes are.

Norm Isler
Elite 702E




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Blueraven

[rebel-builders] Re:Complaints about the manual and kit

Post by Blueraven » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:22 am

Norm.

Yeah i am a new poster here and just trying to get the facts. I am not,
repeat, am not bashing Murphy. I'm just quoting what others have said.
Things I've discovered abt the 'system' that's all. I guess many that
have committed don't want to hear it.

You said <Instead of just complaining about manual, how about sending in
a page number
and the corrected information so MAM can correct the book for future
builders? We should all be doing that if we believe in the
"community" of shared
knowledge this forum is supposed to be.>>>
Form what I understand, he did that and Murphy evidently didnt solve his
problem and from what in understand threatened the guy with
non-communication..can't believe a company would do that actually.

You said <<My recollection is that this writer started asking questions
about the product so he could "evaluate," and now is trying to "sell"
us on
another product.>.
I just saw that new plane manual and thght I'd let you see it. I'm not
pushing anything at all..

You said <<The "profit" to us all in this forum
is the sharing of knowledge and "tricks to the trade" we all need to
build a superior airplane.

Hear hear..I agree with that sentiment totally and apologize if I
triggered some self defense impulse in some of the 'Murph' builders..
Its kinda funny really.

Regards,

WRH
========

NormIsler@aol.com wrote:
Note the new subject header.

I stayed out as long as I could.

For the record, I am an Elite builder, lowtime, most of the way through the
tail group.

Could the manual be better? Yes! So could several of the competing brand
manuals I have seen, and been told about by area builders further along then me
on their aircraft projects. The purpose here is to understand the process and
build, learning along the way. That includes figuring some of it out on mour
own. I must be doing something right, because even as a first time builder,
based on inspections from several more experienced builders, the finished
product is turning out right.

But I bought my kit based on my assessment of the entire PROJECT, not just
the book. And for my "mission," this is the right bird.

Are there issues with the aircraft? Some.
I hear about them from all other manufacturers as well.
I think some of the issues here have been overblown for personal reasons by
select individuals.

As to the well circulated quote from one dissatisfied Moose builder, that
letter is ONE fact. It's content open to interpretation. And it's writer
perhaps biased. The many more letters and postings from many more builders are more
facts. And it seems to me Murphy as proposed sulutions to the main issues.

Instead of just complaining about manual, how about sending in a page number
and the corrected information so MAM can correct the book for future
builders? We should all be doing that if we believe in the "community" of shared
knowledge this forum is supposed to be.

And as to this whole thread, while it is valid to discuss the less
appreciated parts of the program, it seems to have been started by a fairly new name
to the list. My recollection is that this writer started asking questions
about the product so he could "evaluate," and now is trying to "sell" us on
another product.

I made my decision based on a lot of research and information from others.
I'm not about to change my mind, and I believe the vast majority of people on
this list won't either. If you prefer the competition's product (or just their
manual) buy it.

Let's not turn this into a Murphy Aircraft bashing session. There's no
purpose to that, and no profit for any of us. The "profit" to us all in this forum
is the sharing of knowledge and "tricks to the trade" we all need to build a
superior airplane, which I believe the Murphy airplanes are.

Norm Isler
Elite 702E




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