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Lycoming
Hi all,
I'm still looking at whether to buy a new clone engine or a mid-time. A friend of mine sells used parts for a salvage yard and come across a 1998 Lycoming 0360A1A wide deck 180HP. It came out of a Glastar, has all acc on it, dynofocal, 120 hr since new. The engine has had a prop strike and it is bent. The engine is guaranteed to only have only a bad crank and other components ok. I would do my own engine repairs with some assistance from an IA friend. I have been in the engine rebuilding business all my life, not aircraft though but an engine is an engine when it comes down to it.
Looking for any advice from the group. I don't know what wide deck means, is that ok for the Elite?
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Mike Betti
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I'm still looking at whether to buy a new clone engine or a mid-time. A friend of mine sells used parts for a salvage yard and come across a 1998 Lycoming 0360A1A wide deck 180HP. It came out of a Glastar, has all acc on it, dynofocal, 120 hr since new. The engine has had a prop strike and it is bent. The engine is guaranteed to only have only a bad crank and other components ok. I would do my own engine repairs with some assistance from an IA friend. I have been in the engine rebuilding business all my life, not aircraft though but an engine is an engine when it comes down to it.
Looking for any advice from the group. I don't know what wide deck means, is that ok for the Elite?
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771E
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Lycoming
I'm by no means a Lycoming expert Mike, my aviation maintenance history is
on jets, and I'm only an 80 hour pilot... but most if that time is in a
Cherokee 180, and there's a tickling in the back of my mind that says the
A1A model has a hollow crank for constant speed props... and to go along
with that whether using the CS prop or not, there are some operating
limitations involved with this engine in certain RPM ranges due to
viabrations that are not there on the non-hollow crank engines.
What sticks in my mind about this was that the range to avoid was right
where I usually found myself cruising in the Cherokee, which thankfully did
not have this model engine, therefore did not have the limitation. I just
remember thinking it sure would suck not to be able to fly at what appeared
to be a real sweet spot for both the engine and airplane.
I don't know if you can use a different crank when you rebuild or not... but
I'm sure somebody here does.
Mike
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on jets, and I'm only an 80 hour pilot... but most if that time is in a
Cherokee 180, and there's a tickling in the back of my mind that says the
A1A model has a hollow crank for constant speed props... and to go along
with that whether using the CS prop or not, there are some operating
limitations involved with this engine in certain RPM ranges due to
viabrations that are not there on the non-hollow crank engines.
What sticks in my mind about this was that the range to avoid was right
where I usually found myself cruising in the Cherokee, which thankfully did
not have this model engine, therefore did not have the limitation. I just
remember thinking it sure would suck not to be able to fly at what appeared
to be a real sweet spot for both the engine and airplane.
I don't know if you can use a different crank when you rebuild or not... but
I'm sure somebody here does.
Mike
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Subject: Lycoming
Hi all,
I'm still looking at whether to buy a new clone engine or a mid-time. A
friend of mine sells used parts for a salvage yard and come across a 1998
Lycoming 0360A1A wide deck 180HP. It came out of a Glastar, has all acc on
it, dynofocal, 120 hr since new. The engine has had a prop strike and it
is bent. The engine is guaranteed to only have only a bad crank and other
components ok. I would do my own engine repairs with some assistance from
an IA friend. I have been in the engine rebuilding business all my life,
not aircraft though but an engine is an engine when it comes down to it.
Looking for any advice from the group. I don't know what wide deck means,
is that ok for the Elite?
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771E
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Lycoming
Thanks,
MAM has used this model for their Elite as did Al H. There was a fixed pitch prop on this one also. I've heard about the balance problem and that maybe you can have it balanced during rebuild. I know some of the clone builders are doing that, but I don't know what's involved. I just found out all later model Lycomings are wide deck.
Mike Betti
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MAM has used this model for their Elite as did Al H. There was a fixed pitch prop on this one also. I've heard about the balance problem and that maybe you can have it balanced during rebuild. I know some of the clone builders are doing that, but I don't know what's involved. I just found out all later model Lycomings are wide deck.
Mike Betti
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:35:47 -0900, rebel-builders@dcsol.com said:
I'm by no means a Lycoming expert Mike, my aviation maintenance history is
on jets, and I'm only an 80 hour pilot... but most if that time is in a
Cherokee 180, and there's a tickling in the back of my mind that says the
A1A model has a hollow crank for constant speed props... and to go along
with that whether using the CS prop or not, there are some operating
limitations involved with this engine in certain RPM ranges due to
viabrations that are not there on the non-hollow crank engines.
What sticks in my mind about this was that the range to avoid was right
where I usually found myself cruising in the Cherokee, which thankfully did
not have this model engine, therefore did not have the limitation. I just
remember thinking it sure would suck not to be able to fly at what appeared
to be a real sweet spot for both the engine and airplane.
I don't know if you can use a different crank when you rebuild or not... but
I'm sure somebody here does.
Mike
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Subject: Lycoming
Hi all,
I'm still looking at whether to buy a new clone engine or a mid-time. A
friend of mine sells used parts for a salvage yard and come across a 1998
Lycoming 0360A1A wide deck 180HP. It came out of a Glastar, has all acc on
it, dynofocal, 120 hr since new. The engine has had a prop strike and it
is bent. The engine is guaranteed to only have only a bad crank and other
components ok. I would do my own engine repairs with some assistance from
an IA friend. I have been in the engine rebuilding business all my life,
not aircraft though but an engine is an engine when it comes down to it.
Looking for any advice from the group. I don't know what wide deck means,
is that ok for the Elite?
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771E
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Lycoming
Mike,
The RPM limitation only applies for certain props (Hartzell). I use a McCaully borer prop on the Super Cub without limitation--same engine.
Jack Joos
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The RPM limitation only applies for certain props (Hartzell). I use a McCaully borer prop on the Super Cub without limitation--same engine.
Jack Joos
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Thanks,
MAM has used this model for their Elite as did Al H. There was a fixed pitch
prop on this one also. I've heard about the balance problem and that maybe you
can have it balanced during rebuild. I know some of the clone builders are doing
that, but I don't know what's involved. I just found out all later model
Lycomings are wide deck.
Mike Betti
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:35:47 -0900, rebel-builders@dcsol.com said:I'm by no means a Lycoming expert Mike, my aviation maintenance history is
on jets, and I'm only an 80 hour pilot... but most if that time is in a
Cherokee 180, and there's a tickling in the back of my mind that says the
A1A model has a hollow crank for constant speed props... and to go along
with that whether using the CS prop or not, there are some operating
limitations involved with this engine in certain RPM ranges due to
viabrations that are not there on the non-hollow crank engines.
What sticks in my mind about this was that the range to avoid was right
where I usually found myself cruising in the Cherokee, which thankfully did
not have this model engine, therefore did not have the limitation. I just
remember thinking it sure would suck not to be able to fly at what appeared
to be a real sweet spot for both the engine and airplane.
I don't know if you can use a different crank when you rebuild or not... but
I'm sure somebody here does.
Mike
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Subject: Lycoming
Hi all,
I'm still looking at whether to buy a new clone engine or a mid-time. A
friend of mine sells used parts for a salvage yard and come across a 1998
Lycoming 0360A1A wide deck 180HP. It came out of a Glastar, has all acc on
it, dynofocal, 120 hr since new. The engine has had a prop strike and it
is bent. The engine is guaranteed to only have only a bad crank and other
components ok. I would do my own engine repairs with some assistance from
an IA friend. I have been in the engine rebuilding business all my life,
not aircraft though but an engine is an engine when it comes down to it.
Looking for any advice from the group. I don't know what wide deck means,
is that ok for the Elite?
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771E
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Lycoming
Hi Mike,
Presumedly the "bad"crank is from the prop strike? Lycomming is recalling certain IO360 and O360 engines for faulty cranks but the A1A series is not on the list.The A1A has the hollow crank for constant speed prop usage, if you ever want to implement that feature. Don't forget a new crank constitutes a major part of the engine's value.
As far as I recall "narrow deck" or "wide deck" refers to the amount of flange area existing where the cylinders attach to the block. Narrow deck engines aren't made new or remanufactured anymore, only wide deck, so narrow deck engines have no core value for the factory anymore.
Anyway, I have the same O360-A1A hung on the front of a Super Cub. Works great.
Good luck,
Jack Joos,SR193
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Presumedly the "bad"crank is from the prop strike? Lycomming is recalling certain IO360 and O360 engines for faulty cranks but the A1A series is not on the list.The A1A has the hollow crank for constant speed prop usage, if you ever want to implement that feature. Don't forget a new crank constitutes a major part of the engine's value.
As far as I recall "narrow deck" or "wide deck" refers to the amount of flange area existing where the cylinders attach to the block. Narrow deck engines aren't made new or remanufactured anymore, only wide deck, so narrow deck engines have no core value for the factory anymore.
Anyway, I have the same O360-A1A hung on the front of a Super Cub. Works great.
Good luck,
Jack Joos,SR193
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Hi all,
I'm still looking at whether to buy a new clone engine or a mid-time. A friend
of mine sells used parts for a salvage yard and come across a 1998 Lycoming
0360A1A wide deck 180HP. It came out of a Glastar, has all acc on it, dynofocal,
120 hr since new. The engine has had a prop strike and it is bent. The engine is
guaranteed to only have only a bad crank and other components ok. I would do my
own engine repairs with some assistance from an IA friend. I have been in the
engine rebuilding business all my life, not aircraft though but an engine is an
engine when it comes down to it.
Looking for any advice from the group. I don't know what wide deck means, is
that ok for the Elite?
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771E
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Lycoming
Mike,
The wide deck is fine. As for an engine is an engine, how many automotive
engines have silk thread between the case halfs? Did you know if you don't
install it, it will pinch the bearings?Are you aware of the various crankshaft
AD"s? If your going to do your own, at least make a seminar or get an
experienced aircraft engine mechanic to guide you through the lower end. The
cylinders are a breeze. IMHO
Curt N97MR
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The wide deck is fine. As for an engine is an engine, how many automotive
engines have silk thread between the case halfs? Did you know if you don't
install it, it will pinch the bearings?Are you aware of the various crankshaft
AD"s? If your going to do your own, at least make a seminar or get an
experienced aircraft engine mechanic to guide you through the lower end. The
cylinders are a breeze. IMHO
Curt N97MR
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Lycoming
I just talked to a rebuilder I know and he has a tagged crank to install and
will reassemble the bottom end for a reasonable amount. For about $14K I
could have a good engine 140 hr snew. I just need to work out the conditions
before purchase to prevent being stung by something.
Mike
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will reassemble the bottom end for a reasonable amount. For about $14K I
could have a good engine 140 hr snew. I just need to work out the conditions
before purchase to prevent being stung by something.
Mike
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Mike,
The wide deck is fine. As for an engine is an engine, how many
automotive
engines have silk thread between the case halfs? Did you know if you
don't
install it, it will pinch the bearings?Are you aware of the various
crankshaft
AD"s? If your going to do your own, at least make a seminar or get an
experienced aircraft engine mechanic to guide you through the lower end.
The
cylinders are a breeze. IMHO
Curt N97MR
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Lycoming
Mike,
That sounds great! The things that are required for the sudden stoppage AD
are available on the lycoming web site. It also includes inspection of the
crank gear, but if you have someone who is familiar with lycomings that should
be a normal part of it!
Good luck, Curt N97MR
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That sounds great! The things that are required for the sudden stoppage AD
are available on the lycoming web site. It also includes inspection of the
crank gear, but if you have someone who is familiar with lycomings that should
be a normal part of it!
Good luck, Curt N97MR
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Lycoming
Does anyone use a fuel pump on the engine in your Murphys? I have one that came with my engine but not planning on putting it on.
Thanks,
Mike Betti
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Mike Betti
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Lycoming
I have the fuel pump setup on mine as a back up. I was in the same
situation as you and decided to leave it on as insurance.
If mine had not come with the fuel pump, I don't know that I would have
gone out and bought one, but since yours came with it...?
Jim!
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that came with my engine but not planning on putting it on.
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-> Thanks,
-> Mike Betti
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situation as you and decided to leave it on as insurance.
If mine had not come with the fuel pump, I don't know that I would have
gone out and bought one, but since yours came with it...?
Jim!
On 2/26/2006 4:00 PM, mbetti@up.net wrote to rebel-builders:
-> Does anyone use a fuel pump on the engine in your Murphys? I have one
that came with my engine but not planning on putting it on.
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-> Thanks,
-> Mike Betti
-> 771E
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