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Hi Jim! (have also posted to the list in case others are planning skis this
winter or next)
It's not so much that they are so "involved", it's a matter of there being 2
beams instead of one like on a straight ski. The beams have to be located to
pick up inside and outside pivots and still have the tire centered in the
hole. That's what all the measuring is for! Two beams means more mfg time
(shearing, braking beams, etc), deburring, chromating, riveting etc and
installing the plastic bottms. Wheel skis are great if you hanger your
plane, like I do. I fly off a snow covered strip, but to get the Rebel back
into the hanger would be a nightmare with straight skis. I just land in the
snow, taxi over the snow bank onto my laneway and drive her right into the
hanger! If you are tied down outside, then straight skis would be fine if
you are right close to where the snow runway is.
Don't go buying new from Wagaero etc. unless you have money falling out of
your pockets and want to spend it! You should be able to pick up an old used
set of Federal (Fluidyne) A1500's for about $1500 CDN (skis seem to sell for
about a $1 Cdn/lb gross weight rating of the ski set). If you don't need
them this winter wait till spring and start looking/asking around then. Just
like you always buy floats in the fall, not in the spring when everyone
wants them! The axle size on most skis are set up for 1 1/2" axles. If you
have the 1 1/4" newer MAM axles a heavy rubber hose is enough to take up the
gap and large washers inside and out to keep the ski in place. IF using the
older 3/4" axles, I get a piece of 1 1/2" diameter Delrin Rod stock bored
with a 3/4" center hole, cut to fit the width of the pedestal, to adapt the
small axle to the ski.
1500's were originally made with bottoms about 8" wide. By now, after 40
years of use or so, the owner you will buy them from has put 10 or 12" wide
bottoms on them. This makes the 1500 ski a 2000 model. The beams don't
change in size between the 1500, 1800 and 2000. Try to get a set with
plastic on the bottoms, or you can paint with teflon paint. A set 12" wide
should keep you up pretty good in the snow. Won't be as good as my
penetration skis that are 21" wide at the nose and 18" at the back (they
have to be this wide due to the fact you are working around the width of the
tire and still need enough surface to rivet the beams to on each side), but
they should work great. I built them tapered to help with the ability to
turn around tighter, as the tails are narrower than the path that the nose
cuts. This allows you to swing tighter since the skis is not locked in the
track.
Regards,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca
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winter or next)
It's not so much that they are so "involved", it's a matter of there being 2
beams instead of one like on a straight ski. The beams have to be located to
pick up inside and outside pivots and still have the tire centered in the
hole. That's what all the measuring is for! Two beams means more mfg time
(shearing, braking beams, etc), deburring, chromating, riveting etc and
installing the plastic bottms. Wheel skis are great if you hanger your
plane, like I do. I fly off a snow covered strip, but to get the Rebel back
into the hanger would be a nightmare with straight skis. I just land in the
snow, taxi over the snow bank onto my laneway and drive her right into the
hanger! If you are tied down outside, then straight skis would be fine if
you are right close to where the snow runway is.
Don't go buying new from Wagaero etc. unless you have money falling out of
your pockets and want to spend it! You should be able to pick up an old used
set of Federal (Fluidyne) A1500's for about $1500 CDN (skis seem to sell for
about a $1 Cdn/lb gross weight rating of the ski set). If you don't need
them this winter wait till spring and start looking/asking around then. Just
like you always buy floats in the fall, not in the spring when everyone
wants them! The axle size on most skis are set up for 1 1/2" axles. If you
have the 1 1/4" newer MAM axles a heavy rubber hose is enough to take up the
gap and large washers inside and out to keep the ski in place. IF using the
older 3/4" axles, I get a piece of 1 1/2" diameter Delrin Rod stock bored
with a 3/4" center hole, cut to fit the width of the pedestal, to adapt the
small axle to the ski.
1500's were originally made with bottoms about 8" wide. By now, after 40
years of use or so, the owner you will buy them from has put 10 or 12" wide
bottoms on them. This makes the 1500 ski a 2000 model. The beams don't
change in size between the 1500, 1800 and 2000. Try to get a set with
plastic on the bottoms, or you can paint with teflon paint. A set 12" wide
should keep you up pretty good in the snow. Won't be as good as my
penetration skis that are 21" wide at the nose and 18" at the back (they
have to be this wide due to the fact you are working around the width of the
tire and still need enough surface to rivet the beams to on each side), but
they should work great. I built them tapered to help with the ability to
turn around tighter, as the tails are narrower than the path that the nose
cuts. This allows you to swing tighter since the skis is not locked in the
track.
Regards,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca
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To: <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 2:26 PM
Subject: re: skis
wheelHi Wayne,
Thanks for such a fast and thorough response on the ski information!
I had no idea the wheel penetrating skis were so involved--sounds very
elaborate and labor intensive! I am thinking I will probably go with a
forreplacement ski similar to the Aero ski. I saw them listed in Wag-Aero
feetunder $2000US. I am not sure which size/width I would need to handle 2
amof powder. It would seem that bigger is better when it comes to skis; I
smallernot aware of any disadvantage of using big skis vs. smaller ones. You
mentioned a total of 18 sq ft of snow area, I am curious what is required
with wheel replacement skis (length/width).
Regarding the motor mount bolts, I have also been concerned about the
steel.size AN 4 bolts that are commonly used for the Jabiru 6 cyl. installation.
The mount supplied by Jabiru has a 5/8" bushing with a 1/4" bolt hole. I
have considered oversizing to 5/16" which would leave me with a wall
thickness of about 7/32". I am assuming the mount is made out of 4130
sideSo the real question is, where would the weak link be if I drill out to
5/16"? My gut feeling is that the weak link is probably on the airframe
Iwhere the two piece alluminum motor mount bracket is installed behind the
fire wall (regardless of NAS 4 bolt or AN 5 bolt). Anyway, at this point
mightstill plan on using an NAS 4 bolt to keep the wall thickness on the motor
mount bushing as supplied by Jabiru.
Well, again, thanks for all the information and the quick response. (I
didn't post this to the list, but feel free to pass it on to anyone it
help.)
Hope you get some good flying weather soon,
Jim
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Wayne, have you considered offering a sketch and materials or semi kit? You
could benefit from the quantity buy of material and we would put in most of
the time.
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Hi Guys,
I have my Aeronca Chief for sale (so I can seriously look at an engine
for the Rebel) and a prospective buyer is looking for a set of skis for
it. The Chief had Federal 1500's on it at one time so I was wondering if
anyone had a line on a set that might be available? The Chief is now in
"Owner Maintenance" so I think that gives me some flexibility.
Thanks
Jim Cole
Rebel 333
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I have my Aeronca Chief for sale (so I can seriously look at an engine
for the Rebel) and a prospective buyer is looking for a set of skis for
it. The Chief had Federal 1500's on it at one time so I was wondering if
anyone had a line on a set that might be available? The Chief is now in
"Owner Maintenance" so I think that gives me some flexibility.
Thanks
Jim Cole
Rebel 333
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I don't think the Elite will be flying by then, but I sure would like to
meet up with ya maybe in Manistique, I can fly the C140 there.
Mike Betti
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Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: Elevator/rudder
Thanks for posting the pics, Mike ! I LIKE your crush tube blocks !
Would like to be able to zoom in on the pics - any way to accomodate
that ?? I'm sure other Elite builders will thank you for the great
detail shots of the elevator tips.
Looks like you are really chugging along making great progress !
A great example for the others ..... ;-)
At the rate you're going, maybe you can join us on the Rebel
Ramble to the West in July ! We'll be going right past your door,
with stops in Manistique and Ashland .... :-) Then on out
to the West coast, and back for Oshkosh.
......bobp
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and elevator of my Elite. Thanks to Al Hepburn for the posted instructionsMerry Christmas,
I recently finished the rounding of the leading edges on both the rudder
in the DCSOL files. I noticed Al, you had rivets in your weight doubler on
the elevator. Although I couldn't see the doubler plates in the pics. My
instructions only show the doubler on the outside and only the two screws
that secure the weights going through them. I added the rivets like you
did, seems like a better deal. If you save some of the scraps from the fus
corners, they make good pieces to work with in this mod. Pics are posted
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Heck...owner maintenance....I'd suggest my hydraulic wheel skis except for
the fact that those that are not already grandfathered (by previous TC
accepted paperwork) can not use anything with repositionable gear. This
includes Amphib floats and repositionable wheel skis.
You should have asked while you were here last week Jim....... I have 7 sets
of 1500's in various conditions in one of my marine containers.
Wayne
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the fact that those that are not already grandfathered (by previous TC
accepted paperwork) can not use anything with repositionable gear. This
includes Amphib floats and repositionable wheel skis.
You should have asked while you were here last week Jim....... I have 7 sets
of 1500's in various conditions in one of my marine containers.
Wayne
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Subject: Re:Skis
rudderHi Guys,
I have my Aeronca Chief for sale (so I can seriously look at an engine
for the Rebel) and a prospective buyer is looking for a set of skis for
it. The Chief had Federal 1500's on it at one time so I was wondering if
anyone had a line on a set that might be available? The Chief is now in
"Owner Maintenance" so I think that gives me some flexibility.
Thanks
Jim Cole
Rebel 333
Mike Betti wrote:
I don't think the Elite will be flying by then, but I sure would like to
meet up with ya maybe in Manistique, I can fly the C140 there.
Mike Betti
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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: Elevator/rudder
Thanks for posting the pics, Mike ! I LIKE your crush tube blocks !
Would like to be able to zoom in on the pics - any way to accomodate
that ?? I'm sure other Elite builders will thank you for the great
detail shots of the elevator tips.
Looks like you are really chugging along making great progress !
A great example for the others ..... ;-)
At the rate you're going, maybe you can join us on the Rebel
Ramble to the West in July ! We'll be going right past your door,
with stops in Manistique and Ashland .... :-) Then on out
to the West coast, and back for Oshkosh.
......bobp
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instructionsand elevator of my Elite. Thanks to Al Hepburn for the posted
onin the DCSOL files. I noticed Al, you had rivets in your weight doubler
screwsthe elevator. Although I couldn't see the doubler plates in the pics. My
instructions only show the doubler on the outside and only the two
fusthat secure the weights going through them. I added the rivets like you
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corners, they make good pieces to work with in this mod. Pics are posted
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Hi Jim !
I have a set of 1500s from my old Super Chief, with rigging,
right here in the basement ! They need new bungees, though - been
a few years ... ;-) :-)
.....bobp
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I have a set of 1500s from my old Super Chief, with rigging,
right here in the basement ! They need new bungees, though - been
a few years ... ;-) :-)
.....bobp
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rudderHi Guys,
I have my Aeronca Chief for sale (so I can seriously look at an engine
for the Rebel) and a prospective buyer is looking for a set of skis for
it. The Chief had Federal 1500's on it at one time so I was wondering if
anyone had a line on a set that might be available? The Chief is now in
"Owner Maintenance" so I think that gives me some flexibility.
Thanks
Jim Cole
Rebel 333
Mike Betti wrote:
I don't think the Elite will be flying by then, but I sure would like to
meet up with ya maybe in Manistique, I can fly the C140 there.
Mike Betti
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From: "Bob Patterson" <beep@sympatico.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: Elevator/rudder
Thanks for posting the pics, Mike ! I LIKE your crush tube blocks !
Would like to be able to zoom in on the pics - any way to accomodate
that ?? I'm sure other Elite builders will thank you for the great
detail shots of the elevator tips.
Looks like you are really chugging along making great progress !
A great example for the others ..... ;-)
At the rate you're going, maybe you can join us on the Rebel
Ramble to the West in July ! We'll be going right past your door,
with stops in Manistique and Ashland .... :-) Then on out
to the West coast, and back for Oshkosh.
......bobp
-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
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instructionsand elevator of my Elite. Thanks to Al Hepburn for the posted
onin the DCSOL files. I noticed Al, you had rivets in your weight doubler
screwsthe elevator. Although I couldn't see the doubler plates in the pics. My
instructions only show the doubler on the outside and only the two
fusthat secure the weights going through them. I added the rivets like you
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Hi Bob, They sound good - how much do you think we should ask for them.
The guy is coming down again on Tuesday or Wednesday and if I had them
here I could sell them as part of the package.
I also have a DVD that I did for Edenvale that I wanted to show you as
an example of the work we could do for Murphy.
I might be in Mississauga tomorrow or Friday morning.
Thanks
Jim
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The guy is coming down again on Tuesday or Wednesday and if I had them
here I could sell them as part of the package.
I also have a DVD that I did for Edenvale that I wanted to show you as
an example of the work we could do for Murphy.
I might be in Mississauga tomorrow or Friday morning.
Thanks
Jim
Bob Patterson wrote:
Hi Jim !
I have a set of 1500s from my old Super Chief, with rigging,
right here in the basement ! They need new bungees, though - been
a few years ... ;-) :-)
.....bobp
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rudderHi Guys,
I have my Aeronca Chief for sale (so I can seriously look at an engine
for the Rebel) and a prospective buyer is looking for a set of skis for
it. The Chief had Federal 1500's on it at one time so I was wondering if
anyone had a line on a set that might be available? The Chief is now in
"Owner Maintenance" so I think that gives me some flexibility.
Thanks
Jim Cole
Rebel 333
Mike Betti wrote:
I don't think the Elite will be flying by then, but I sure would like to
meet up with ya maybe in Manistique, I can fly the C140 there.
Mike Betti
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Well I went ski flying yesterday for the first time and I must say - what a
lot of fun. I obviously still have a lot to learn but all and all it when
pretty well. I built straight skis for now so I'm now looking for places to
fly in Southern Ontario that have a snow covered place to land - say beside
an existing runway. If you have any suggestions and there might be lunch
involved please let me know.
Of course it's calling for rain on Tuesday!!!!
I hear Tom is out practicing today as well!!!!
Cheers
Jim Rebel 333
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lot of fun. I obviously still have a lot to learn but all and all it when
pretty well. I built straight skis for now so I'm now looking for places to
fly in Southern Ontario that have a snow covered place to land - say beside
an existing runway. If you have any suggestions and there might be lunch
involved please let me know.
Of course it's calling for rain on Tuesday!!!!
I hear Tom is out practicing today as well!!!!
Cheers
Jim Rebel 333
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Hi All !
I posted the 2008 Rebel Builders Calendar to Files,
area 222 - R-misc. The dates in RED are Regular Rebel
Builders Meetings - the dates in RED & UNDERLINED
are the Ramble Meeting and Ramble 2008 to Quebec.
Please D/L & print it out - might provide some
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Has anyone had there rebel on skis yet. Looking for some
performance data on skis. Mainly distance takeoff and
landing for STOL. I have about 900 feet and looking to see
if it is capable. Currently have rebel with o-235 120 hp. I
was getting it in at 400 feet on wheels.but not sure on skis.
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performance data on skis. Mainly distance takeoff and
landing for STOL. I have about 900 feet and looking to see
if it is capable. Currently have rebel with o-235 120 hp. I
was getting it in at 400 feet on wheels.but not sure on skis.
Thanks
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I thought I could get this info easily on the internet. How do you size
skis? It seems to me that there should be a direct relationship between
the gross weight of the aircraft and number of square feet or inches of
ski area. What you ski flyer putting on the Rebel?
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scott_lanier
Skis
Hello all,
I need some info for skis and the rebel. I have the skis and the rigging, but
need info on where guys are attaching the cables and bungies to the
fuselage. Any pics would be helpful. I need to see how and where you attach
thes to properly rig my skis.
Thanks and if you have picks of rebel on skis please forward to
scottrlanier@gmail.com
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I need some info for skis and the rebel. I have the skis and the rigging, but
need info on where guys are attaching the cables and bungies to the
fuselage. Any pics would be helpful. I need to see how and where you attach
thes to properly rig my skis.
Thanks and if you have picks of rebel on skis please forward to
scottrlanier@gmail.com
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