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Mike Rapoport
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Thanks Mike! I couldn't see them but could you confirm that the angle and
block that the hinges bolt to (they are on the other side of the spar
(inside the stabilizer) are deleted?
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block that the hinges bolt to (they are on the other side of the spar
(inside the stabilizer) are deleted?
Mike
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Scott Aldrich
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Mike,
I am assuming this is a 3500 stab that has the rear spar doublers that do
not extend out to the outboard hinges. If so, you have a .080 doubler under
the outboard hinge that is on the aft side of the spare (part # ST-405 in
the 3500 upgrade manual stab section). If this is the small block you are
referring to it must stay. The only thing they have you remove is to cut
off the flange of the outboard rib that picks up the spare (and the hinge
bolts did go through it). Then the Stainless part ST1008 goes in. However
I found it wasn't necessary to cut anything out if you don't want to. There
was room to slip the ST1008 inside of everything and still have edge
distance for the bolts. So on mine it goes - hinge bracket, .080 square
spacer, stab spar, original outboard rib flange, new st1008 with the bolts
going through all of it.
The instruction can be misleading as they do not show the aluminum spacer,
part ST-405, because they are showing a later model 3500 that now have the
rear spar doublers go full length. So there is no need for the spacer under
the hinge on the spar side of those.
Looking at Mikes pictures he did cut off the flange on the tip rib(per
instructions)and he has the full length doublers in the spar so no spacer
like you must have. All Mikes other doublers are good stuff for the sea
fins if installing.
Clear as mud.
Scott
Moose 174
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I am assuming this is a 3500 stab that has the rear spar doublers that do
not extend out to the outboard hinges. If so, you have a .080 doubler under
the outboard hinge that is on the aft side of the spare (part # ST-405 in
the 3500 upgrade manual stab section). If this is the small block you are
referring to it must stay. The only thing they have you remove is to cut
off the flange of the outboard rib that picks up the spare (and the hinge
bolts did go through it). Then the Stainless part ST1008 goes in. However
I found it wasn't necessary to cut anything out if you don't want to. There
was room to slip the ST1008 inside of everything and still have edge
distance for the bolts. So on mine it goes - hinge bracket, .080 square
spacer, stab spar, original outboard rib flange, new st1008 with the bolts
going through all of it.
The instruction can be misleading as they do not show the aluminum spacer,
part ST-405, because they are showing a later model 3500 that now have the
rear spar doublers go full length. So there is no need for the spacer under
the hinge on the spar side of those.
Looking at Mikes pictures he did cut off the flange on the tip rib(per
instructions)and he has the full length doublers in the spar so no spacer
like you must have. All Mikes other doublers are good stuff for the sea
fins if installing.
Clear as mud.
Scott
Moose 174
www.goflyamoose.com
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Scott Aldrich
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Mike hopefully my long winded explanation will show that the block is NOT
deleted on yours.
Scott
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Thanks Mike! I couldn't see them but could you confirm that the angle and
block that the hinges bolt to (they are on the other side of the spar
(inside the stabilizer) are deleted?
Mike
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deleted on yours.
Scott
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Thanks Mike! I couldn't see them but could you confirm that the angle and
block that the hinges bolt to (they are on the other side of the spar
(inside the stabilizer) are deleted?
Mike
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Hi Mike, you can find some pics and description of how I did my mod
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Mike
195SR
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Although now I see you said a block "inside" the stab, so I don't know what
that would be??
Scott
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Mike hopefully my long winded explanation will show that the block is NOT
deleted on yours.
Scott
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Thanks Mike! I couldn't see them but could you confirm that the angle and
block that the hinges bolt to (they are on the other side of the spar
(inside the stabilizer) are deleted?
Mike
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that would be??
Scott
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Mike hopefully my long winded explanation will show that the block is NOT
deleted on yours.
Scott
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Thanks Mike! I couldn't see them but could you confirm that the angle and
block that the hinges bolt to (they are on the other side of the spar
(inside the stabilizer) are deleted?
Mike
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Hi Mike, you can find some pics and description of how I did my mod
here...
http://n195ak.dcsol.com/viewtopic.php?t=59
Mike
195SR
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Mike Rapoport
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Thanks Scott. I have a fast build stabilizer that was delivered this
summer. The rib has no flange on the spar end. Instead there is a piece of
angle (probably 2" angle) that gets riveted to the rib and then the backside
of the spar. The hinge bolts go through the hinges then the spar then this
angle. There is also a little block that goes inside the angle and has two
of the four hinge bolts through it, presumably so that the bolt heads don't
interfere with the radius on the inside of the angle. It would be nice if
the pictures and drawings showed all the parts!
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summer. The rib has no flange on the spar end. Instead there is a piece of
angle (probably 2" angle) that gets riveted to the rib and then the backside
of the spar. The hinge bolts go through the hinges then the spar then this
angle. There is also a little block that goes inside the angle and has two
of the four hinge bolts through it, presumably so that the bolt heads don't
interfere with the radius on the inside of the angle. It would be nice if
the pictures and drawings showed all the parts!
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Although now I see you said a block "inside" the stab, so I don't know
what
that would be??
Scott
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Mike hopefully my long winded explanation will show that the block is NOT
deleted on yours.
Scott
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Thanks Mike! I couldn't see them but could you confirm that the angle and
block that the hinges bolt to (they are on the other side of the spar
(inside the stabilizer) are deleted?
Mike
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Hi Mike, you can find some pics and description of how I did my mod
here...
http://n195ak.dcsol.com/viewtopic.php?t=59
Mike
195SR
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Scott Aldrich
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Mike, Okay, I get it now. You have the "First" stab tip modification
already installed by the factory that Brian said was going to be the
"official mod" and then was changed to the stainless one that is now
published. He sent me pictures once before it was announced and it is as
you describe. In Brian's opinion it was better than what you are changing
to. I suspect you are correct that the inner little block was for bolt head
interference. They mention filing the washers now to not interfere with the
radius I believe.
Sorry for the confusion.
Scott
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Thanks Scott. I have a fast build stabilizer that was delivered this
summer. The rib has no flange on the spar end. Instead there is a piece of
angle (probably 2" angle) that gets riveted to the rib and then the backside
of the spar. The hinge bolts go through the hinges then the spar then this
angle. There is also a little block that goes inside the angle and has two
of the four hinge bolts through it, presumably so that the bolt heads don't
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already installed by the factory that Brian said was going to be the
"official mod" and then was changed to the stainless one that is now
published. He sent me pictures once before it was announced and it is as
you describe. In Brian's opinion it was better than what you are changing
to. I suspect you are correct that the inner little block was for bolt head
interference. They mention filing the washers now to not interfere with the
radius I believe.
Sorry for the confusion.
Scott
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Thanks Scott. I have a fast build stabilizer that was delivered this
summer. The rib has no flange on the spar end. Instead there is a piece of
angle (probably 2" angle) that gets riveted to the rib and then the backside
of the spar. The hinge bolts go through the hinges then the spar then this
angle. There is also a little block that goes inside the angle and has two
of the four hinge bolts through it, presumably so that the bolt heads don't
interfere with the radius on the inside of the angle. It would be nice if
the pictures and drawings showed all the parts!
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Although now I see you said a block "inside" the stab, so I don't know
what
that would be??
Scott
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Mike hopefully my long winded explanation will show that the block is NOT
deleted on yours.
Scott
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Thanks Mike! I couldn't see them but could you confirm that the angle and
block that the hinges bolt to (they are on the other side of the spar
(inside the stabilizer) are deleted?
Mike
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Hi Mike, you can find some pics and description of how I did my mod
here...
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Mike
195SR
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Subject: Stabilizer Mod
I am installing the stabilizer mod. In the drawings it looks like the
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Wow, now I have to think! The mod currently installed looks pretty clean.
It picks up the rib over less area than the SS plate mod, but that is the
only advantage that I can see for the SS plate mod. It picks up the spar
over more area (all four bolts) than the SS plate mod. Where was the
cracking that led to the mods in the first place? I just ordered the
upgraded rib and the sea fins today so I have some time before I can do
anything.
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It picks up the rib over less area than the SS plate mod, but that is the
only advantage that I can see for the SS plate mod. It picks up the spar
over more area (all four bolts) than the SS plate mod. Where was the
cracking that led to the mods in the first place? I just ordered the
upgraded rib and the sea fins today so I have some time before I can do
anything.
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Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 8:48 PM
Subject: RE: Stabilizer Mod
Mike, Okay, I get it now. You have the "First" stab tip modification
already installed by the factory that Brian said was going to be the
"official mod" and then was changed to the stainless one that is now
published. He sent me pictures once before it was announced and it is as
you describe. In Brian's opinion it was better than what you are changing
to. I suspect you are correct that the inner little block was for bolt
head
interference. They mention filing the washers now to not interfere with
the
radius I believe.
Sorry for the confusion.
Scott
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Subject: Re: Stabilizer Mod
Thanks Scott. I have a fast build stabilizer that was delivered this
summer. The rib has no flange on the spar end. Instead there is a piece
of
angle (probably 2" angle) that gets riveted to the rib and then the
backside
of the spar. The hinge bolts go through the hinges then the spar then
this
angle. There is also a little block that goes inside the angle and has
two
of the four hinge bolts through it, presumably so that the bolt heads
don't
interfere with the radius on the inside of the angle. It would be nice if
the pictures and drawings showed all the parts!
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Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 8:16 PM
Subject: RE: Stabilizer Mod
Although now I see you said a block "inside" the stab, so I don't know
what
that would be??
Scott
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Mike hopefully my long winded explanation will show that the block is NOT
deleted on yours.
Scott
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Thanks Mike! I couldn't see them but could you confirm that the angle
and
block that the hinges bolt to (they are on the other side of the spar
(inside the stabilizer) are deleted?
Mike
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Hi Mike, you can find some pics and description of how I did my mod
here...
http://n195ak.dcsol.com/viewtopic.php?t=59
Mike
195SR
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Mike Davis
Stabilizer Mod
Not really sure what angle and block you're talking about... originally the
flange on the tip rib was all there was, now they're using the stainless
piece with the flange, and a tip rib with no flange.
Mike
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flange on the tip rib was all there was, now they're using the stainless
piece with the flange, and a tip rib with no flange.
Mike
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Thanks Mike! I couldn't see them but could you confirm that the angle and
block that the hinges bolt to (they are on the other side of the spar
(inside the stabilizer) are deleted?
Mike
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Hi Mike, you can find some pics and description of how I did my mod
here...
http://n195ak.dcsol.com/viewtopic.php?t=59
Mike
195SR
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Subject: Stabilizer Mod
I am installing the stabilizer mod. In the drawings it looks like the
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aluminium angle and a small block. Both of these pieces are
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Mike Davis
Stabilizer Mod
Actually I've got the .080" spacer on mine... it's just hard to see in the
photos. I had already built the rear spar before I heard they were making
the doublers full length.
Mike
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photos. I had already built the rear spar before I heard they were making
the doublers full length.
Mike
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Mike hopefully my long winded explanation will show that the block is NOT
deleted on yours.
Scott
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Thanks Mike! I couldn't see them but could you confirm that the angle and
block that the hinges bolt to (they are on the other side of the spar
(inside the stabilizer) are deleted?
Mike
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Hi Mike, you can find some pics and description of how I did my mod
here...
http://n195ak.dcsol.com/viewtopic.php?t=59
Mike
195SR
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Subject: Stabilizer Mod
I am installing the stabilizer mod. In the drawings it looks like the
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aluminium angle and a small block. Both of these pieces are
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Mike Davis
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The cracking was at the bend of the rib flange at the rear spar.
Mike
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Wow, now I have to think! The mod currently installed looks pretty clean.
It picks up the rib over less area than the SS plate mod, but that is the
only advantage that I can see for the SS plate mod. It picks up the spar
over more area (all four bolts) than the SS plate mod. Where was the
cracking that led to the mods in the first place? I just ordered the
upgraded rib and the sea fins today so I have some time before I can do
anything.
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Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 8:48 PM
Subject: RE: Stabilizer Mod
Mike, Okay, I get it now. You have the "First" stab tip modification
already installed by the factory that Brian said was going to be the
"official mod" and then was changed to the stainless one that is now
published. He sent me pictures once before it was announced and it is as
you describe. In Brian's opinion it was better than what you are
changing
to. I suspect you are correct that the inner little block was for bolt
head
interference. They mention filing the washers now to not interfere with
the
radius I believe.
Sorry for the confusion.
Scott
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Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:32 PM
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Subject: Re: Stabilizer Mod
Thanks Scott. I have a fast build stabilizer that was delivered this
summer. The rib has no flange on the spar end. Instead there is a piece
of
angle (probably 2" angle) that gets riveted to the rib and then the
backside
of the spar. The hinge bolts go through the hinges then the spar then
this
angle. There is also a little block that goes inside the angle and has
two
of the four hinge bolts through it, presumably so that the bolt heads
don't
interfere with the radius on the inside of the angle. It would be nice
if
the pictures and drawings showed all the parts!
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Although now I see you said a block "inside" the stab, so I don't know
what
that would be??
Scott
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Mike hopefully my long winded explanation will show that the block is
NOT
deleted on yours.
Scott
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Thanks Mike! I couldn't see them but could you confirm that the angle
and
block that the hinges bolt to (they are on the other side of the spar
(inside the stabilizer) are deleted?
Mike
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Warren & Marg Montgomery
Stabilizer Mod
I haven't seen MAMs mod but I had made my tip ribs from ,040 with a
doulbe wide flange and second row of rivets.
I wonder if I need bother with this mod? Or maybe at most tie into the
stringers?
Warren
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doulbe wide flange and second row of rivets.
I wonder if I need bother with this mod? Or maybe at most tie into the
stringers?
Warren
Mike Davis wrote:
The cracking was at the bend of the rib flange at the rear spar.
Mike
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Wow, now I have to think! The mod currently installed looks pretty clean.
It picks up the rib over less area than the SS plate mod, but that is the
only advantage that I can see for the SS plate mod. It picks up the spar
over more area (all four bolts) than the SS plate mod. Where was the
cracking that led to the mods in the first place? I just ordered the
upgraded rib and the sea fins today so I have some time before I can do
anything.
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already installed by the factory that Brian said was going to be the
"official mod" and then was changed to the stainless one that is now
published. He sent me pictures once before it was announced and it is as
you describe. In Brian's opinion it was better than what you are
changing
to. I suspect you are correct that the inner little block was for bolt
head
interference. They mention filing the washers now to not interfere with
the
radius I believe.
Sorry for the confusion.
Scott
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Subject: Re: Stabilizer Mod
Thanks Scott. I have a fast build stabilizer that was delivered this
summer. The rib has no flange on the spar end. Instead there is a piece
of
angle (probably 2" angle) that gets riveted to the rib and then the
backside
of the spar. The hinge bolts go through the hinges then the spar then
this
angle. There is also a little block that goes inside the angle and has
two
of the four hinge bolts through it, presumably so that the bolt heads
don't
interfere with the radius on the inside of the angle. It would be nice
if
the pictures and drawings showed all the parts!
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Scott Aldrich
Stabilizer Mod
Here is a link to pictures of the mod that Mike R. has installed (didn't
post to archives as it would be confused with the "current" bulletin mod.)
http://www.goflyamoose.com/temporary_page.htm
Scott
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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 11:05 PM
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Subject: Re: Stabilizer Mod
Not really sure what angle and block you're talking about... originally the
flange on the tip rib was all there was, now they're using the stainless
piece with the flange, and a tip rib with no flange.
Mike
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post to archives as it would be confused with the "current" bulletin mod.)
http://www.goflyamoose.com/temporary_page.htm
Scott
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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 11:05 PM
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Subject: Re: Stabilizer Mod
Not really sure what angle and block you're talking about... originally the
flange on the tip rib was all there was, now they're using the stainless
piece with the flange, and a tip rib with no flange.
Mike
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Mike Davis
Stabilizer Mod
Looks pretty solid, but then the stainless fix that ended up as the
"official" mod feels rock solid. With one end of my stab done, and the
other end original, it was amazing how much more flex and give there was on
the original end. The modded end is rock solid. Of course, I did get a
little carried away with the angle tying the stringers into it all for the
sea fins.
Mike
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From: "Scott Aldrich" <sa@mwutah.com>
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Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 6:18 AM
Subject: RE: Stabilizer Mod
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"official" mod feels rock solid. With one end of my stab done, and the
other end original, it was amazing how much more flex and give there was on
the original end. The modded end is rock solid. Of course, I did get a
little carried away with the angle tying the stringers into it all for the
sea fins.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Aldrich" <sa@mwutah.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 6:18 AM
Subject: RE: Stabilizer Mod
Here is a link to pictures of the mod that Mike R. has installed (didn't
post to archives as it would be confused with the "current" bulletin mod.)
http://www.goflyamoose.com/temporary_page.htm
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 11:05 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Stabilizer Mod
Not really sure what angle and block you're talking about... originally
the
flange on the tip rib was all there was, now they're using the stainless
piece with the flange, and a tip rib with no flange.
Mike
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