Rebel Tail wheel

IAN DONALDSON · Post by **IAN DONALDSON** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:48 am

G'day Ted

I do not remember your post regarding the Moose tail wheel.

It would be great if you would send me your post.

Perhaps I should look into a Scott tailwheel, but I do not know anything
about them. I would appreciate some advice from yourself or others on what
types of Scott wheels are available. I looked in the Spruce Supplies
catalogue and see that there are a few models. What would be the most
suitable for my Rebel???

Thanks and regards

Ian Donaldson

As I previously posted regarding my Moose, I too had main casting wear
and a very sloppy "centre" pin. I can send you my post if you didn't
previously see it.

I agree with the other reply you got; go with a Scott tailwheel if you
can.

Ted Waltman

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IAN DONALDSON · Post by **IAN DONALDSON** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:48 am

G'day Murray

That was bad news that your tailwheel caused such damage to your Rebel. It
is a really bad feeling as you go around and are powerless to do anything
about it. No matter how much you push on the opposite brake it won't stop!

Maybe the Scott will be the solution in the long term.

regards

Ian

Hello

As you all know, my tailwheel stuck in a left turn.A slow motion turn left
me in the ruff with the fuse bent.Save yourself the headache and get a
Scott
3200 tailwheel and you won't have to worry. I know the price hurts a bit
but
in the end it's cheap.

Good Luck

Murray

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IAN DONALDSON · Post by **IAN DONALDSON** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:48 am

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Harper" <rjwh@optusnet.com.au>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: Rebel tail wheel

G'day Ian !

Sounds like you had a great trip

My advice is simple - THROW the MAM away & get a Scott 3200 or 3400
tailwheel
(it'll make the Rebel even better !!!)

Rick & Wendy Harper
541R
----- Original Message -----
From: IAN DONALDSON
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 9:15 PM
Subject: Rebel tail wheel

G'day

I have just returned home from a 1200 mile tour of outback Australia
in my
912S powered Rebel. Needless to say she flew wonderfully,
except for the fact that on paved runways she turned into a ground
looping
demon! I gave a great exhibition of a 360 degree loop in front of a
waiting
group of pilots! It goes without saying that I received a fair amount
of
teasing over my piloting skills!

Now I have done 99% of my flying off grass strips and thought that it
must
have been my inexperience that was causing my handling problems. But
my
companion, who is a high hour commercial pilot and with lots of
experience
in taildraggers was also having the same trouble and we almost lost
our
nerve completely, and we were tossing a coin to see who would have to
do the
next landing!

Now that we have the Rebel in the hangar I searched for answers and
have
found that the centre pin in the wheel fork has come loose which has
allowed
the tailwheel to pivot just as it wished! This is what caused the
strange
handling. This is the standard MAM tailwheel as supplied in the kit.

Has anyone had this same experience, or can offer anyway to secure
this pin?
The pin is secured by two 1/8" roll pins but there is nothing to
locate them
into the pin. The main casting is also worn and the pin is a sloppy
fit.
Does anyone have a fix?

I would appreciate some advice and assistance.

Apart from all that, the Rebel cruises at 85 knots and has an average
petrol
burn 20 litres an hour. This is with two large pilots, lots of fuel
and as
much luggage as we can get in and still shut the doors!

Thanks and regards

Ian Donaldson

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IAN DONALDSON · Post by **IAN DONALDSON** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:48 am

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Harper" <rjwh@optusnet.com.au>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: Rebel tail wheel

G'day Ian !

Sounds like you had a great trip

My advice is simple - THROW the MAM away & get a Scott 3200 or 3400
tailwheel
(it'll make the Rebel even better !!!)

Rick & Wendy Harper
541R
----- Original Message -----
From: IAN DONALDSON
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 9:15 PM
Subject: Rebel tail wheel

G'day

I have just returned home from a 1200 mile tour of outback Australia
in my
912S powered Rebel. Needless to say she flew wonderfully,
except for the fact that on paved runways she turned into a ground
looping
demon! I gave a great exhibition of a 360 degree loop in front of a
waiting
group of pilots! It goes without saying that I received a fair amount
of
teasing over my piloting skills!

Now I have done 99% of my flying off grass strips and thought that it
must
have been my inexperience that was causing my handling problems. But
my
companion, who is a high hour commercial pilot and with lots of
experience
in taildraggers was also having the same trouble and we almost lost
our
nerve completely, and we were tossing a coin to see who would have to
do the
next landing!

Now that we have the Rebel in the hangar I searched for answers and
have
found that the centre pin in the wheel fork has come loose which has
allowed
the tailwheel to pivot just as it wished! This is what caused the
strange
handling. This is the standard MAM tailwheel as supplied in the kit.

Has anyone had this same experience, or can offer anyway to secure
this pin?
The pin is secured by two 1/8" roll pins but there is nothing to
locate them
into the pin. The main casting is also worn and the pin is a sloppy
fit.
Does anyone have a fix?

I would appreciate some advice and assistance.

Apart from all that, the Rebel cruises at 85 knots and has an average
petrol
burn 20 litres an hour. This is with two large pilots, lots of fuel
and as
much luggage as we can get in and still shut the doors!

Thanks and regards

Ian Donaldson

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IAN DONALDSON · Post by **IAN DONALDSON** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:48 am

G'day Gary

I am no expert on the MAM tailwheel, but as far as I am concerned it does
have a few problems. Phil Stubley has sent me a drawing of the modifications
that he made to his wheel and I will do the same this week.

However there is one piece of advice that I will give, and it is that if you
have the rigid aluminum "spring" that they supply in the kit, toss it in the
trash can and put on a spring steel leaf spring instead.

The original "spring" was so rigid that it caused rivets to tear out in the
tail cone. All I did was go to a spring maker and get a steel spring made up
that followed the original profile, had it drilled to take the original MAM
fittings and put it on. The difference was remarkable and you can see the
new spring taking the shock that would have been transmitted into the
fuselage.

I also changed the position of the chains on the rudder bellcrank from the
inner to the outer holes. That made a difference to the way that it steered
also.

I hope that this helps a little. Good luck!

Regards

Ian Donaldson

I am close to beginning my taxi tests and would be very interested in
what corrections have been found beneficial to the Murphy tail wheel
as supplied with the kit. In fact it might be of interest to post a
picture(s) on the web site. I do not find anything in Landing Gear
section of the Rebel Builders website.

Look forward to some pictures or sketches so that I do not encounter the
Same problems with the "garbage" tail wheel.

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Rick Harper · Post by **Rick Harper** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:48 am

G'day Guys ('n' gals)

What a difference a day makes ...

I was partaking in a spot landing competition today at our airfield ....
and it was a pretty bumpy day - so the final approach was very lumpy - (
the strip is cut out of a side of a hill & lined nearby by tall trees -
GREAT for adverse landing practise !)

First landing was within 3 feet of the line, second was 60 feet short !
(looked ok from where I was sitting), third was about 10 feet short - so
a BIG effort on the last landing was called for !!!

I was doing my "Rebel special" landing - full flap approach & DUMP the
LOT - to full 12 degree negative a soon as she touches - very effective
- u...s....u...a....l....l....y......

Trouble is, I got hit with a rotor - and she ballooned - just as I
dumped the flap :o( - so instead of falling from "nil height" - she
dropped like a ROCK from a height much bigger than I had anticipated :o(
:o( :o(

Left drag link sheared & leg collapsed, skidded right & the right gear
dug in - shoving the triangulated gear up through the floor :o( - LOTS
of lower fuse' damage, prop shortened (wood thankfully), screen
shattered and more :o( :o( :o(

No personal damage - but VERY pissed with myself - to say the least :o(

Oh well .... back to the old drawing board - ( at least I'll get to do
all the fuse upgrades I wanted to do now )

Rick & Wendy Harper
541R .... NOT flying now :o(
----- Original Message -----
From: Ted Waltman
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 10:37 AM
Subject: RE: Rebel tail wheel

Ian,

As I previously posted regarding my Moose, I too had main casting wear
and a very sloppy "centre" pin. I can send you my post if you didn't
previously see it.

I agree with the other reply you got; go with a Scott tailwheel if you
can.

Ted Waltman

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
IAN DONALDSON
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 5:15 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Rebel tail wheel

G'day

I have just returned home from a 1200 mile tour of outback Australia
in
my
912S powered Rebel. Needless to say she flew wonderfully, except for
the fact that on paved runways she turned into a ground looping
demon! I gave a great exhibition of a 360 degree loop in front of a
waiting
group of pilots! It goes without saying that I received a fair amount
of
teasing over my piloting skills!

Now I have done 99% of my flying off grass strips and thought that it
must
have been my inexperience that was causing my handling problems. But
my
companion, who is a high hour commercial pilot and with lots of
experience
in taildraggers was also having the same trouble and we almost lost
our
nerve completely, and we were tossing a coin to see who would have to
do
the
next landing!

Now that we have the Rebel in the hangar I searched for answers and
have

found that the centre pin in the wheel fork has come loose which has
allowed
the tailwheel to pivot just as it wished! This is what caused the
strange
handling. This is the standard MAM tailwheel as supplied in the kit.

Has anyone had this same experience, or can offer anyway to secure
this
pin?
The pin is secured by two 1/8" roll pins but there is nothing to
locate
them
into the pin. The main casting is also worn and the pin is a sloppy
fit.

Does anyone have a fix?

I would appreciate some advice and assistance.

Apart from all that, the Rebel cruises at 85 knots and has an average
petrol
burn 20 litres an hour. This is with two large pilots, lots of fuel
and
as
much luggage as we can get in and still shut the doors!

Thanks and regards

Ian Donaldson

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Mike Davis · Post by **Mike Davis** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:48 am

Sorry to hear about the damage Rick, I know you've really been enjoying it
for a while now. But like you said, at least now you'll get to add some
mods you wanted done... an no one was hurt!

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Harper" <rjwh@optusnet.com.au>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: Rebel tail wheel

G'day Guys ('n' gals)

What a difference a day makes ...

I was partaking in a spot landing competition today at our airfield ....
and it was a pretty bumpy day - so the final approach was very lumpy - (
the strip is cut out of a side of a hill & lined nearby by tall trees -
GREAT for adverse landing practise !)

First landing was within 3 feet of the line, second was 60 feet short !
(looked ok from where I was sitting), third was about 10 feet short - so
a BIG effort on the last landing was called for !!!

I was doing my "Rebel special" landing - full flap approach & DUMP the
LOT - to full 12 degree negative a soon as she touches - very effective
- u...s....u...a....l....l....y......

Trouble is, I got hit with a rotor - and she ballooned - just as I
dumped the flap :o( - so instead of falling from "nil height" - she
dropped like a ROCK from a height much bigger than I had anticipated :o(
:o( :o(

Left drag link sheared & leg collapsed, skidded right & the right gear
dug in - shoving the triangulated gear up through the floor :o( - LOTS
of lower fuse' damage, prop shortened (wood thankfully), screen
shattered and more :o( :o( :o(

No personal damage - but VERY pissed with myself - to say the least :o(

Oh well .... back to the old drawing board - ( at least I'll get to do
all the fuse upgrades I wanted to do now )

Rick & Wendy Harper
541R .... NOT flying now :o(
----- Original Message -----
From: Ted Waltman
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 10:37 AM
Subject: RE: Rebel tail wheel

Ian,

As I previously posted regarding my Moose, I too had main casting wear
and a very sloppy "centre" pin. I can send you my post if you didn't
previously see it.

I agree with the other reply you got; go with a Scott tailwheel if you
can.

Ted Waltman

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
IAN DONALDSON
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 5:15 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Rebel tail wheel

G'day

I have just returned home from a 1200 mile tour of outback Australia
in
my
912S powered Rebel. Needless to say she flew wonderfully, except for
the fact that on paved runways she turned into a ground looping
demon! I gave a great exhibition of a 360 degree loop in front of a
waiting
group of pilots! It goes without saying that I received a fair amount
of
teasing over my piloting skills!

Now I have done 99% of my flying off grass strips and thought that it
must
have been my inexperience that was causing my handling problems. But
my
companion, who is a high hour commercial pilot and with lots of
experience
in taildraggers was also having the same trouble and we almost lost
our
nerve completely, and we were tossing a coin to see who would have to
do
the
next landing!

Now that we have the Rebel in the hangar I searched for answers and
have

found that the centre pin in the wheel fork has come loose which has
allowed
the tailwheel to pivot just as it wished! This is what caused the
strange
handling. This is the standard MAM tailwheel as supplied in the kit.

Has anyone had this same experience, or can offer anyway to secure
this
pin?
The pin is secured by two 1/8" roll pins but there is nothing to
locate
them
into the pin. The main casting is also worn and the pin is a sloppy
fit.

Does anyone have a fix?

I would appreciate some advice and assistance.

Apart from all that, the Rebel cruises at 85 knots and has an average
petrol
burn 20 litres an hour. This is with two large pilots, lots of fuel
and
as
much luggage as we can get in and still shut the doors!

Thanks and regards

Ian Donaldson

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bransom · Post by **bransom** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:48 am

Rick,
Real sorry to hear of the crunch. Didya get any closer to the spot
though? :)
Best wishes for the repairs.
-Ben/ 496R

G'day Guys ('n' gals)

What a difference a day makes ...

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cosmedi · Post by **cosmedi** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:48 am

Well Rick,
It seems that I will have to take you flying in my "trauma-hawk" again until you have rebuilt REB; could you please loose just a little weight so we can get of the ground. We dont want to get an ag rating like last time. Back from the farm so I will be in touch.
Regards,
Greg. Elite 724(building)

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Rick Harper · Post by **Rick Harper** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:48 am

Came third .... wasn't worth it though :o(

Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Ricker
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: Rebel tail wheel

Hi Rick

Sorry to hear about your mishap and real glad that you walked away,
well,
now's the time for a few more improvements! So.....did you win the
competition????

Cheers,

Dave

Rick Harper wrote:

G'day Guys ('n' gals)

What a difference a day makes ...

I was partaking in a spot landing competition today at our airfield

....

and it was a pretty bumpy day - so the final approach was very lumpy

- (

the strip is cut out of a side of a hill & lined nearby by tall

trees -

GREAT for adverse landing practise !)

First landing was within 3 feet of the line, second was 60 feet

short !

(looked ok from where I was sitting), third was about 10 feet short

- so

a BIG effort on the last landing was called for !!!

I was doing my "Rebel special" landing - full flap approach & DUMP

the

LOT - to full 12 degree negative a soon as she touches - very

effective

- u...s....u...a....l....l....y......

Trouble is, I got hit with a rotor - and she ballooned - just as I
dumped the flap :o( - so instead of falling from "nil height" - she
dropped like a ROCK from a height much bigger than I had anticipated

:o(

:o( :o(

Left drag link sheared & leg collapsed, skidded right & the right

gear

dug in - shoving the triangulated gear up through the floor :o( -

LOTS

of lower fuse' damage, prop shortened (wood thankfully), screen
shattered and more :o( :o( :o(

No personal damage - but VERY pissed with myself - to say the least

:o(

Oh well .... back to the old drawing board - ( at least I'll get to

do

all the fuse upgrades I wanted to do now )

Rick & Wendy Harper
541R .... NOT flying now :o(
----- Original Message -----
From: Ted Waltman
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 10:37 AM
Subject: RE: Rebel tail wheel

Ian,

As I previously posted regarding my Moose, I too had main casting

wear

and a very sloppy "centre" pin. I can send you my post if you

didn't

previously see it.

I agree with the other reply you got; go with a Scott tailwheel if

you

can.

Ted Waltman

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf

Of

IAN DONALDSON
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 5:15 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Rebel tail wheel

G'day

I have just returned home from a 1200 mile tour of outback

Australia

in
my
912S powered Rebel. Needless to say she flew wonderfully, except

for

the fact that on paved runways she turned into a ground looping
demon! I gave a great exhibition of a 360 degree loop in front of

a

waiting
group of pilots! It goes without saying that I received a fair

amount

of
teasing over my piloting skills!

Now I have done 99% of my flying off grass strips and thought that

it

must
have been my inexperience that was causing my handling problems.

But

my
companion, who is a high hour commercial pilot and with lots of
experience
in taildraggers was also having the same trouble and we almost

lost

our
nerve completely, and we were tossing a coin to see who would have

to

do
the
next landing!

Now that we have the Rebel in the hangar I searched for answers

and

have

found that the centre pin in the wheel fork has come loose which

has

allowed
the tailwheel to pivot just as it wished! This is what caused the
strange
handling. This is the standard MAM tailwheel as supplied in the

kit.

Has anyone had this same experience, or can offer anyway to secure
this
pin?
The pin is secured by two 1/8" roll pins but there is nothing to
locate
them
into the pin. The main casting is also worn and the pin is a

sloppy

fit.

Does anyone have a fix?

I would appreciate some advice and assistance.

Apart from all that, the Rebel cruises at 85 knots and has an

average

petrol
burn 20 litres an hour. This is with two large pilots, lots of

fuel

and
as
much luggage as we can get in and still shut the doors!

Thanks and regards

Ian Donaldson

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Drew Dalgleish · Post by **Drew Dalgleish** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:48 am

Another alternative you might want t ocheck out is building your own using
plans from Bob Barrows. He's the designer of the Bearhawk.

At 11:08 PM 8/7/2005 -0400, you wrote:

For a Rebel, I thought I'd try a pneumatic Matco at about US$200. if I'm
not happy with the MAM unit.
We know the Scott works well but it seems a bit pricey!
Ken

Bruce Georgen wrote:

Ian,

Take the MAM tail wheel off and throw it away before you destroy your

whole planewith it! Or give it to your worst enemey. Then buy a Scott 3200.
It will be the best insurance policy you ever bought. That's my opinion and
the same advice I recieved from a very experienced pilot who would not fly
in my first project (Kitfox with a Maule tail wheel) until I changed it. He
was right.

Bruce

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Rick Harper · Post by **Rick Harper** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:48 am

Thanks Ben !
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From: bransom@dcsol.com
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Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 5:36 AM
Subject: Re: Rebel tail wheel

Rick,
Real sorry to hear of the crunch. Didya get any closer to the spot
though? :)
Best wishes for the repairs.
-Ben/ 496R

G'day Guys ('n' gals)

What a difference a day makes ...

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Rick Harper · Post by **Rick Harper** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:48 am

PS - Got 3rd spot in the "spot landing" comp' ..... wasn't worth it !
:o(

Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: bransom@dcsol.com
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Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 5:36 AM
Subject: Re: Rebel tail wheel

Rick,
Real sorry to hear of the crunch. Didya get any closer to the spot
though? :)
Best wishes for the repairs.
-Ben/ 496R

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What a difference a day makes ...

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Rick Harper · Post by **Rick Harper** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:48 am

Bugger the "trauma hawk" .... hurry up & finish the ELITE !

Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: cosmedi@bigpond.net.au
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: Rebel tail wheel

Well Rick,
It seems that I will have to take you flying in my "trauma-hawk" again
until you have rebuilt REB; could you please loose just a little weight
so we can get of the ground. We dont want to get an ag rating like last
time. Back from the farm so I will be in touch.
Regards,
Greg. Elite 724(building)

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Dale Fultz · Post by **Dale Fultz** » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:48 am

Hi Ted or Anyone, What number of a scott wheel would it take for on a Moose
application??? If so many people see the problem why will Daryl not show
any concern or is he hoping they all go on floats?? Thanks Dale 033
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Waltman" <tedwaltman@i1ci.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 8:37 PM
Subject: RE: Rebel tail wheel

Ian,

As I previously posted regarding my Moose, I too had main casting wear
and a very sloppy "centre" pin. I can send you my post if you didn't
previously see it.

I agree with the other reply you got; go with a Scott tailwheel if you
can.

Ted Waltman

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
IAN DONALDSON
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 5:15 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Rebel tail wheel

G'day

I have just returned home from a 1200 mile tour of outback Australia in
my
912S powered Rebel. Needless to say she flew wonderfully, except for
the fact that on paved runways she turned into a ground looping
demon! I gave a great exhibition of a 360 degree loop in front of a
waiting
group of pilots! It goes without saying that I received a fair amount
of
teasing over my piloting skills!

Now I have done 99% of my flying off grass strips and thought that it
must
have been my inexperience that was causing my handling problems. But my
companion, who is a high hour commercial pilot and with lots of
experience
in taildraggers was also having the same trouble and we almost lost our
nerve completely, and we were tossing a coin to see who would have to do
the
next landing!

Now that we have the Rebel in the hangar I searched for answers and have

found that the centre pin in the wheel fork has come loose which has
allowed
the tailwheel to pivot just as it wished! This is what caused the
strange
handling. This is the standard MAM tailwheel as supplied in the kit.

Has anyone had this same experience, or can offer anyway to secure this
pin?
The pin is secured by two 1/8" roll pins but there is nothing to locate
them
into the pin. The main casting is also worn and the pin is a sloppy fit.

Does anyone have a fix?

I would appreciate some advice and assistance.

Apart from all that, the Rebel cruises at 85 knots and has an average
petrol
burn 20 litres an hour. This is with two large pilots, lots of fuel and
as
much luggage as we can get in and still shut the doors!

Thanks and regards

Ian Donaldson

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