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[Jims170A]

Hi Clay, I have a large supply of new surplus Circuit Breaker. They are trip
free and are the type you can pull from the cockpit. They are Klixon Texas
Instrument and are like the type Boeing uses on there aircraft. I also have
some switches but not as many. I am sure I can beat anyone price on these
items and have most all sizes.
Jim, Jims170A@cs.com
PS I will be on a road trip from the 25 to Feb 1
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[Bob Patterson]

Hi Clay !

You could start off by asking Wayne O'Shea for his suggestions -
he's got (literally !) tons of aircraft parts, including, I believe,
breakers, switches, & bus bars .... Don't think he wants to get into
instruments, though. For used instruments, you might try Salvair, in Ontario.
They advertise in COPA News - can dig out a number if you need it....

I think Murphy still has a deal that allows Rebel builders to buy
instruments, etc. wholesale from one of their suppliers. You could email
them for the 1-800 phone number - Dave Walker or Colleen Dyck will have
it. (Pacific <something> - Aeroelectric ????

.....bobp

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I'm just about ready to start working on my panel. Would anyone have
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buy them with reasonable pricing? How about the other stuff, like
switches, wiring and circuit breakers?
Thanks, Clay

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[Clay Smith]

I'm just about ready to start working on my panel. Would anyone have
any suggestions on flight and engine instrument types? A good place to
buy them with reasonable pricing? How about the other stuff, like
switches, wiring and circuit breakers?
Thanks, Clay

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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

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Bob, Thanks for the advertising plug!!!!!!

You are right that I do not want to get into new instruments, but I do have
numerous older NOS gauges for Norsemans, C47(DC3) etc. I do have a brand new
0 to 140MPH, 3 1/8"diameter Airspeed indicator, that would be fine for a
125HP and lower powered Rebel for $180cdn. (list is $225). The same goes for
the breakers and switches I have also! Most are older style for restoration
work. I do have however, boxes full of foot long terminal strips for $5.00
each. (but remember my $50 minimum order though, to make it worth the time
and the 4.5% Visa rips me off for plus the imprinter rental charge/month!) I
also have the only supply of shielded wire that is available (to my
knowledge) in this area. (#10, #12, #18, #20, #22) We are working hard at
getting this stuff inventoried, but building/repairing keeps getting in the
way (that and the fact that it's -30C in the hanger!). Currently helping a
guy to build a set of SR wings. ( He found that the manual is written to
assume you have built a Rebel wing before! Luckily(for both of us) he knew
that I have built one or two before!) I also recently inspected a "gold
mine" of aircraft parts (on an Island of all places) that the family wants
to sell out of an estate. Currently trying to decide whether or not to
purchase, pending the Ice getting thick enough to drive a Semi across the
ice!(numerous times) Over 1500 square feet filled so that you have to
squeeze between the 7' high shelves. Gypsy Major engine cases, NEW cams,
rockers, connecting rods etc. Various Starters, Vacuum pumps, hydraulic
pumps and controls, etc. etc. Parts for tiger moths, Harvards, etc. etc.
Just don't want to do it if I have to use a boat or a load at a time in a
pickup! It will probably all go in the lake if someone doesn't buy this
winter, as it is housed in what was supposed to be the wives new house on
the island. Instead while they lived in the small cottage and the new house
was being framed in, the husband said "I'll just store these few parts here
for a couple days" and the rest is history! The "inherities" want the larger
structure for their cottage and the small cottage for the kids. They have no
interest in aviation, so the stuff just may form a new break wall!

As for Salvair, to the best of my knowledge Herb sold everything to Peter
(son in law) and Doug Ronan. Peter is busy doing upholstery (and making
movies I hear) You can contact Doug at dugronan@bconnex.net, tell him I sent
you!

After exhausting all the avenues, I find that if you want to finish off your
panel in one quick shot, the best thing to do is pick up the Aircraft Spruce
Catalogue and bit the bullet. That way you have everything you need and it
should work. No guarantees with used stuff, although I did have a new CHT
that didn't work from A/S also.

Wayne G. O'Shea
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Patterson <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Sunday, January 23, 2000 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: Instruments

Hi Clay !

You could start off by asking Wayne O'Shea for his suggestions -
he's got (literally !) tons of aircraft parts, including, I believe,
breakers, switches, & bus bars .... Don't think he wants to get into
instruments, though. For used instruments, you might try Salvair, in

Ontario.

They advertise in COPA News - can dig out a number if you need it....

.....bobp

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I'm just about ready to start working on my panel. Would anyone have
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buy them with reasonable pricing? How about the other stuff, like
switches, wiring and circuit breakers?
Thanks, Clay

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[Bob Patterson]

That's IT !! Thanks ! My memory is still good, it's just a bit
too SHORT !! :-(

I think all you have to do is tell them you're a Rebel builder, and
they'll give you the price break...

......bobp

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I believe it is Pacific Coast Avionics Corp. at 22783 Airport Rd NE Aurora
OR 97002 USA

Fax 503 678 6292

I found them to be quite competitive and helpful.

Alister

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From: Bob Patterson <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
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Date: Monday, January 24, 2000 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: Instruments

Hi Clay !

You could start off by asking Wayne O'Shea for his suggestions -
he's got (literally !) tons of aircraft parts, including, I believe,
breakers, switches, & bus bars .... Don't think he wants to get into
instruments, though. For used instruments, you might try Salvair, in

Ontario.

They advertise in COPA News - can dig out a number if you need it....

I think Murphy still has a deal that allows Rebel builders to buy
instruments, etc. wholesale from one of their suppliers. You could email
them for the 1-800 phone number - Dave Walker or Colleen Dyck will have
it. (Pacific <something> - Aeroelectric ????

.....bobp

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I'm just about ready to start working on my panel. Would anyone have
any suggestions on flight and engine instrument types? A good place to
buy them with reasonable pricing? How about the other stuff, like
switches, wiring and circuit breakers?
Thanks, Clay

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[Richard DeCiero]

Clay,
Check out www.aeroelectric.com and read some of the material. Bob
Nuckolls is the owner of that site and has some interesting info there. He
has a book on aircraft electrical systems that would be very helpful. Gook
luck.
Rick D.
Rebel 446

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I'm just about ready to start working on my panel. Would anyone have
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switches, wiring and circuit breakers?
Thanks, Clay

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[Alister Yeoman]

I believe it is Pacific Coast Avionics Corp. at 22783 Airport Rd NE Aurora
OR 97002 USA

Fax 503 678 6292

I found them to be quite competitive and helpful.

Alister

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Patterson <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Monday, January 24, 2000 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: Instruments

Hi Clay !

You could start off by asking Wayne O'Shea for his suggestions -
he's got (literally !) tons of aircraft parts, including, I believe,
breakers, switches, & bus bars .... Don't think he wants to get into
instruments, though. For used instruments, you might try Salvair, in

Ontario.

They advertise in COPA News - can dig out a number if you need it....

I think Murphy still has a deal that allows Rebel builders to buy
instruments, etc. wholesale from one of their suppliers. You could email
them for the 1-800 phone number - Dave Walker or Colleen Dyck will have
it. (Pacific <something> - Aeroelectric ????

.....bobp

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I'm just about ready to start working on my panel. Would anyone have
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switches, wiring and circuit breakers?
Thanks, Clay

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[Richard DeCiero]

Clay,
I am also working on instrument panel stuff. Aircraft spruce offers a line of
2 1/4 " gauges that are supposedly vibration resistant. They are their
Microflite-1000 series. I have bought some of them and will try them out.
Mechanical oil press, mechanical oil temp, and voltmeter are the ones that I
purchased. Their ammeter is only a 30 amp so I got a Westach with a 60 amp +
shunt. The Microflight-1000's are fairly inexpensive and had a good description
of them in the catalog. They look nice too. Check their web site it may have the
same info. I have a vibration isolated main panel for the standard six pack of
instruments and have not bought any of those yet. I also think that I will
isolate the small panel. The small 8-32 stud mounted shock isolators work for me.
Same as Cessna panel mounts.
Good luck,
Rick D.

Clay Smith wrote:

Is there any instruments types or brand names that I should stay away from?
There seems to be such a variety out there. I heard that some of the cheaper
brands can't stand up to the vibration!?

Richard DeCiero wrote:

Clay,
Check out www.aeroelectric.com and read some of the material. Bob
Nuckolls is the owner of that site and has some interesting info there. He
has a book on aircraft electrical systems that would be very helpful. Gook
luck.
Rick D.
Rebel 446

Clay Smith wrote:

I'm just about ready to start working on my panel. Would anyone have
any suggestions on flight and engine instrument types? A good place to
buy them with reasonable pricing? How about the other stuff, like
switches, wiring and circuit breakers?
Thanks, Clay

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[Richard DeCiero]

Clay,
One more point of philosophy. I elected to use 2 1/4" gauges instead of
specials such as some of the "many function" instruments. This will allow me to
use just about anyones gauges if any of these conk out. I have used this
philosophy throught the aircraft. All of the fancy show all gauges put you at the
mercy of that manufacturer. Which is exactly why I went the homebuilt route. On
my C-172 I had to buy a small bracket that kept the front of the cowl from
bumping the engine. At $ 92.00 I almost croaked but I had no choice but to buy it
from Cessna. I am unsure installing about electronic ignition for just this
reason. If I break down somewhere, who will help with repairs of your custom
electronic stuff, but with the old magnetoes just about anyone can help.
Bye,
Rick D.

Clay Smith wrote:

Is there any instruments types or brand names that I should stay away from?
There seems to be such a variety out there. I heard that some of the cheaper
brands can't stand up to the vibration!?

Richard DeCiero wrote:

Clay,
Check out www.aeroelectric.com and read some of the material. Bob
Nuckolls is the owner of that site and has some interesting info there. He
has a book on aircraft electrical systems that would be very helpful. Gook
luck.
Rick D.
Rebel 446

Clay Smith wrote:

I'm just about ready to start working on my panel. Would anyone have
any suggestions on flight and engine instrument types? A good place to
buy them with reasonable pricing? How about the other stuff, like
switches, wiring and circuit breakers?
Thanks, Clay

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Well said Rick,
Howard just loves his electronic (all in one, with the flashing red idiot
light) engine monitor. I won't name the brand. He did however have his plane
tied to the dock for 2 days this summer, while he tried to get a hold of the
manufacturer as all readouts were away off so he couldn't fly. On the 3rd
day he had me come up to the lake and with the owner of the Electronic
Company on the other end of the phone line, I reprogrammed his "hidden" set
up pages that had been zapped by a power surge due, to starting up with the
monitor turned on! Good thing he was tied to his own dock! But if you were
in the boonies, I guess if you know your plane well enough and that it
normally doesn't redline on takeoff, etc and temperatures/pressures usually
run normal you could chance flying to civilization. (NOT With me along for
the ride you won't) Or you do carry all the info and programming sheets that
come with everything you are putting in the plane don't you! This will allow
you to use you Cell Phone and call the manufacturer from Lake Timbucktwo.
What, no signal you say!!!! You did bring paddles, didn't you????

I guess I'm just an Analog type of guy also! (I did say Analog)

Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

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From: Richard DeCiero <rsdec1@star.net>
To: (Murphy Rebel Builders List) <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Thursday, January 27, 2000 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: Instruments

Clay,
One more point of philosophy. I elected to use 2 1/4" gauges instead of
specials such as some of the "many function" instruments. This will allow

me to

use just about anyones gauges if any of these conk out. I have used this
philosophy throught the aircraft. All of the fancy show all gauges put you

at the

mercy of that manufacturer. Which is exactly why I went the homebuilt

route. On

my C-172 I had to buy a small bracket that kept the front of the cowl from
bumping the engine. At $ 92.00 I almost croaked but I had no choice but to

buy it

from Cessna. I am unsure installing about electronic ignition for just this
reason. If I break down somewhere, who will help with repairs of your

custom

electronic stuff, but with the old magnetoes just about anyone can help.
Bye,
Rick D.

Clay Smith wrote:

Is there any instruments types or brand names that I should stay away

from?

There seems to be such a variety out there. I heard that some of the

cheaper

brands can't stand up to the vibration!?

Richard DeCiero wrote:

Clay,
Check out www.aeroelectric.com and read some of the material. Bob
Nuckolls is the owner of that site and has some interesting info there.

He

has a book on aircraft electrical systems that would be very helpful.

Gook

luck.
Rick D.
Rebel 446

Clay Smith wrote:

to

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[Bob Patterson]

Nothing leaps to mind - most are ok. Are you planning on having any
gyro instruments ?? Vacuum or electric ?? There ARE differences between
vacuum gyros meant for vacuum pumps, and those for venturi tubes - get
the wrong one, and it won't work properly !! Personally, I dislike
vacuum pumps - they suck about 3 hp. all the time, and need overhaul
too often for my liking. Venturi tubes won't hurt much - it's not
a 300 mph. airplane ! :-) If you don't plan IFR anyway, then maybe
just a standby electric turn-and-bank, just in case ! ;-)

Vertical card compasses are nice, but expensive - probably not worth
the price ... If you can find a good one at Canadian Tire - go for it !
At a recent Rebel Builders meeting, we heard about a new type of compass
that's available through Radio Shack for about $60 - electronic, and
easy to set up, even with extreme magnetic conditions (like steel tube
next to compass).

Get an airspeed indicator that covers your range as close as possible
- markings down to 20 mph, and up to 140 or 160, although even 130 would
likely do. Avoid the 250 mph types - too hard to read the 1" needle range :-)

Many Rebel Builders are using the VAL panel mount radio - they cost
less than a hand held, and give good performance (8 watts), and have a
bright display that adjusts for lighting conditions. They have a 2 channel
flip flop switch which is handy for going to ground control quickly.
For about $75 extra, they will supply a made-up wiring harness, ready
to go - a bargain !

Hand-held GPS, with a bracket on the panel, is the most cost-effective
way to go. The technology is advancing quickly, so wait as long as you
can to buy - prices are falling. The fancy combination radio & GPS units
look sexy, but they're EXPENSIVE - both to buy, and maintain. If one
part goes, you lose both for servicing :-(

A moving map display is really nice, but we fly one Rebel with a
$140 GPS from the sporting goods store - works way better than our old
LORAN !! You can always move up, when you know what you want ...

You might want to check out photos of other panels - the standard
layout is becoming - electrical stuff on left angle panel, mounted on
a flip down panel with piano hinges top & bottom, with a doubler around
the hole. The flight instruments are often mounted on a floating panel
in front of the pilot - use 1/8" Lexan for this, and you can put labels
on the back, and paint the back. This looks great, and is protected.
The floating panel is mounted on shock mounts (or just bolts with
fuel line over them). Cut holes in the metal panel to match the floating
panel, but oversize about 1/4" or so - to keep the strength of the
panel (it IS structural). Attach a 1 1/2" aluminum angle to the bottom
of the panel - all the way across, and even out the angles. This angle
will stiffen up the panel AND give you a plave to mount the throttle,
mixture, carb heat, primer, and trim button, leaving space for 2 rows
of full sized instruments on the panel. (can be a 2" angle)

......bobp

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Is there any instruments types or brand names that I should stay away from?
There seems to be such a variety out there. I heard that some of the cheaper
brands can't stand up to the vibration!?

Richard DeCiero wrote:

Clay,
Check out www.aeroelectric.com and read some of the material. Bob
Nuckolls is the owner of that site and has some interesting info there. He
has a book on aircraft electrical systems that would be very helpful. Gook
luck.
Rick D.
Rebel 446

Clay Smith wrote:

I'm just about ready to start working on my panel. Would anyone have
any suggestions on flight and engine instrument types? A good place to
buy them with reasonable pricing? How about the other stuff, like
switches, wiring and circuit breakers?
Thanks, Clay

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Great advice as usual Bob,

My experience with the Val Radio are:

Make sure you get a newer model that has a battery in it to retain the
frequency you set. Otherwise ever time you turn it on you have to reset the
frequency! Has caused problems for our chapter while doing Young Eagle
Flights because you concentrate on the kids safety as you taxi out. Then as
you pull out on the runway you broadcast your intentions without noticing
that the radio has defaulted to the bottom of the scale! Has cause some
close calls with aircraft pulling out with another on short final, much to
the excitement of the Parents!

Also, I have found if you are using a Val Radio, you better order a $150cdn
filter to put on the power lead AT the radio. The noise in the headset will
drive you nuts otherwise! (Remember test flying Howards Amphib Bob?) Have
had to filter 2 others also. One in a C150 and another Rebel. My KLX135's
are absolutely silent (for noise that is), but yes you are right, the
original one I bought cost me $4200cdn and the latest one the price was down
to $2200U.S ($3300cdn).

As for the vacuum instruments are you sure there is a difference?? I have
the same instruments (A/H and D/G) in both Rebels. One with pump and one
with V. tube. All work fine! Maybe I just got lucky?????

Blue skies,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Patterson <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: Instruments

Nothing leaps to mind - most are ok. Are you planning on having any
gyro instruments ?? Vacuum or electric ?? There ARE differences between
vacuum gyros meant for vacuum pumps, and those for venturi tubes - get
the wrong one, and it won't work properly !! Personally, I dislike
vacuum pumps - they suck about 3 hp. all the time, and need overhaul
too often for my liking. Venturi tubes won't hurt much - it's not
a 300 mph. airplane ! :-) If you don't plan IFR anyway, then maybe
just a standby electric turn-and-bank, just in case ! ;-)

Vertical card compasses are nice, but expensive - probably not worth
the price ... If you can find a good one at Canadian Tire - go for it !
At a recent Rebel Builders meeting, we heard about a new type of compass
that's available through Radio Shack for about $60 - electronic, and
easy to set up, even with extreme magnetic conditions (like steel tube
next to compass).

Get an airspeed indicator that covers your range as close as possible
- markings down to 20 mph, and up to 140 or 160, although even 130 would
likely do. Avoid the 250 mph types - too hard to read the 1" needle range

:-)

Many Rebel Builders are using the VAL panel mount radio - they cost
less than a hand held, and give good performance (8 watts), and have a
bright display that adjusts for lighting conditions. They have a 2 channel
flip flop switch which is handy for going to ground control quickly.
For about $75 extra, they will supply a made-up wiring harness, ready
to go - a bargain !

Hand-held GPS, with a bracket on the panel, is the most cost-effective
way to go. The technology is advancing quickly, so wait as long as you
can to buy - prices are falling. The fancy combination radio & GPS units
look sexy, but they're EXPENSIVE - both to buy, and maintain. If one
part goes, you lose both for servicing :-(

A moving map display is really nice, but we fly one Rebel with a
$140 GPS from the sporting goods store - works way better than our old
LORAN !! You can always move up, when you know what you want ...

You might want to check out photos of other panels - the standard
layout is becoming - electrical stuff on left angle panel, mounted on
a flip down panel with piano hinges top & bottom, with a doubler around
the hole. The flight instruments are often mounted on a floating panel
in front of the pilot - use 1/8" Lexan for this, and you can put labels
on the back, and paint the back. This looks great, and is protected.
The floating panel is mounted on shock mounts (or just bolts with
fuel line over them). Cut holes in the metal panel to match the floating
panel, but oversize about 1/4" or so - to keep the strength of the
panel (it IS structural). Attach a 1 1/2" aluminum angle to the bottom
of the panel - all the way across, and even out the angles. This angle
will stiffen up the panel AND give you a plave to mount the throttle,
mixture, carb heat, primer, and trim button, leaving space for 2 rows
of full sized instruments on the panel. (can be a 2" angle)

......bobp

-----------------------------------orig.-----------------------------------

----

At 09:09 PM 1/27/00 -0330, you wrote:

Is there any instruments types or brand names that I should stay away

from?

There seems to be such a variety out there. I heard that some of the

cheaper

brands can't stand up to the vibration!?

Richard DeCiero wrote:

Clay,
Check out www.aeroelectric.com and read some of the material. Bob
Nuckolls is the owner of that site and has some interesting info there.

He

has a book on aircraft electrical systems that would be very helpful.

Gook

luck.
Rick D.
Rebel 446

Clay Smith wrote:
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[Clay Smith]

Is there any instruments types or brand names that I should stay away from?
There seems to be such a variety out there. I heard that some of the cheaper
brands can't stand up to the vibration!?

Richard DeCiero wrote:

Clay,
Check out www.aeroelectric.com and read some of the material. Bob
Nuckolls is the owner of that site and has some interesting info there. He
has a book on aircraft electrical systems that would be very helpful. Gook
luck.
Rick D.
Rebel 446

Clay Smith wrote:

I'm just about ready to start working on my panel. Would anyone have
any suggestions on flight and engine instrument types? A good place to
buy them with reasonable pricing? How about the other stuff, like
switches, wiring and circuit breakers?
Thanks, Clay

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[Bob Patterson]

(Blush !!)

You wouldn't maybe have a part number/manufacturer/source for that
filter, would you ??? I thought mine was the only one that "sang" :-) !!
(Well ...... Howard's WAS worse ! )

We had an instrument tech. as a guest speaker at a meeting last year,
and he was the one who mentioned the difference in vacuum instruments -
apparently the 'venturi' versions will work well on less vacuum. If you
use the 'pump' instruments on a venturi, you may have to get to a much
higher speed for accuracy - a bit difficult if you're using the DG to
take off with ! :-) I believe some manufacturers make both kinds ...

....bobp

-----------------------------------orig.---------------------------------
At 10:24 PM 1/27/00 -0500, you wrote:

Great advice as usual Bob,

My experience with the Val Radio are:

Make sure you get a newer model that has a battery in it to retain the
frequency you set. Otherwise ever time you turn it on you have to reset the
frequency! Has caused problems for our chapter while doing Young Eagle
Flights because you concentrate on the kids safety as you taxi out. Then as
you pull out on the runway you broadcast your intentions without noticing
that the radio has defaulted to the bottom of the scale! Has cause some
close calls with aircraft pulling out with another on short final, much to
the excitement of the Parents!

Also, I have found if you are using a Val Radio, you better order a $150cdn
filter to put on the power lead AT the radio. The noise in the headset will
drive you nuts otherwise! (Remember test flying Howards Amphib Bob?) Have
had to filter 2 others also. One in a C150 and another Rebel. My KLX135's
are absolutely silent (for noise that is), but yes you are right, the
original one I bought cost me $4200cdn and the latest one the price was down
to $2200U.S ($3300cdn).

As for the vacuum instruments are you sure there is a difference?? I have
the same instruments (A/H and D/G) in both Rebels. One with pump and one
with V. tube. All work fine! Maybe I just got lucky?????

Blue skies,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Patterson <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: Instruments

Nothing leaps to mind - most are ok. Are you planning on having any
gyro instruments ?? Vacuum or electric ?? There ARE differences between
vacuum gyros meant for vacuum pumps, and those for venturi tubes - get
the wrong one, and it won't work properly !! Personally, I dislike
vacuum pumps - they suck about 3 hp. all the time, and need overhaul
too often for my liking. Venturi tubes won't hurt much - it's not
a 300 mph. airplane ! :-) If you don't plan IFR anyway, then maybe
just a standby electric turn-and-bank, just in case ! ;-)

Vertical card compasses are nice, but expensive - probably not worth
the price ... If you can find a good one at Canadian Tire - go for it !
At a recent Rebel Builders meeting, we heard about a new type of compass
that's available through Radio Shack for about $60 - electronic, and
easy to set up, even with extreme magnetic conditions (like steel tube
next to compass).

Get an airspeed indicator that covers your range as close as possible
- markings down to 20 mph, and up to 140 or 160, although even 130 would
likely do. Avoid the 250 mph types - too hard to read the 1" needle range

:-)

Many Rebel Builders are using the VAL panel mount radio - they cost
less than a hand held, and give good performance (8 watts), and have a
bright display that adjusts for lighting conditions. They have a 2 channel
flip flop switch which is handy for going to ground control quickly.
For about $75 extra, they will supply a made-up wiring harness, ready
to go - a bargain !

Hand-held GPS, with a bracket on the panel, is the most cost-effective
way to go. The technology is advancing quickly, so wait as long as you
can to buy - prices are falling. The fancy combination radio & GPS units
look sexy, but they're EXPENSIVE - both to buy, and maintain. If one
part goes, you lose both for servicing :-(

A moving map display is really nice, but we fly one Rebel with a
$140 GPS from the sporting goods store - works way better than our old
LORAN !! You can always move up, when you know what you want ...

You might want to check out photos of other panels - the standard
layout is becoming - electrical stuff on left angle panel, mounted on
a flip down panel with piano hinges top & bottom, with a doubler around
the hole. The flight instruments are often mounted on a floating panel
in front of the pilot - use 1/8" Lexan for this, and you can put labels
on the back, and paint the back. This looks great, and is protected.
The floating panel is mounted on shock mounts (or just bolts with
fuel line over them). Cut holes in the metal panel to match the floating
panel, but oversize about 1/4" or so - to keep the strength of the
panel (it IS structural). Attach a 1 1/2" aluminum angle to the bottom
of the panel - all the way across, and even out the angles. This angle
will stiffen up the panel AND give you a plave to mount the throttle,
mixture, carb heat, primer, and trim button, leaving space for 2 rows
of full sized instruments on the panel. (can be a 2" angle)

......bobp

-----------------------------------orig.-----------------------------------

----

At 09:09 PM 1/27/00 -0330, you wrote:

Is there any instruments types or brand names that I should stay away

from?

There seems to be such a variety out there. I heard that some of the

cheaper

brands can't stand up to the vibration!?

Richard DeCiero wrote:

He

Gook

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[Brian Cross]

Hi There

Just a brief point, Ron first built his floating instrument panel out of
lexan, but had to replace it with aluminium. I used 1/16" aluminium and it
did work out fine with 6 or 7 rubber standoffs. By the time you cut 6 or 7
3 1/2" holes in the aluminium, it does not add an appreciable amount of
weight, and is a great deal stiffer than lexan, and also, will not creep
with temperature over time.


Brian #328R

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Patterson [mailto:bob.patterson@canrem.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 9:55 PM
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List
Subject: Re: Instruments



Nothing leaps to mind - most are ok. Are you planning on having any
gyro instruments ?? Vacuum or electric ?? There ARE differences between
vacuum gyros meant for vacuum pumps, and those for venturi tubes - get
the wrong one, and it won't work properly !! Personally, I dislike
vacuum pumps - they suck about 3 hp. all the time, and need overhaul
too often for my liking. Venturi tubes won't hurt much - it's not
a 300 mph. airplane ! :-) If you don't plan IFR anyway, then maybe
just a standby electric turn-and-bank, just in case ! ;-)

Vertical card compasses are nice, but expensive - probably not worth
the price ... If you can find a good one at Canadian Tire - go for it !
At a recent Rebel Builders meeting, we heard about a new type of compass
that's available through Radio Shack for about $60 - electronic, and
easy to set up, even with extreme magnetic conditions (like steel tube
next to compass).

Get an airspeed indicator that covers your range as close as possible
- markings down to 20 mph, and up to 140 or 160, although even 130 would
likely do. Avoid the 250 mph types - too hard to read the 1" needle range
:-)

Many Rebel Builders are using the VAL panel mount radio - they cost
less than a hand held, and give good performance (8 watts), and have a
bright display that adjusts for lighting conditions. They have a 2 channel
flip flop switch which is handy for going to ground control quickly.
For about $75 extra, they will supply a made-up wiring harness, ready
to go - a bargain !

Hand-held GPS, with a bracket on the panel, is the most cost-effective
way to go. The technology is advancing quickly, so wait as long as you
can to buy - prices are falling. The fancy combination radio & GPS units
look sexy, but they're EXPENSIVE - both to buy, and maintain. If one
part goes, you lose both for servicing :-(

A moving map display is really nice, but we fly one Rebel with a
$140 GPS from the sporting goods store - works way better than our old
LORAN !! You can always move up, when you know what you want ...

You might want to check out photos of other panels - the standard
layout is becoming - electrical stuff on left angle panel, mounted on
a flip down panel with piano hinges top & bottom, with a doubler around
the hole. The flight instruments are often mounted on a floating panel
in front of the pilot - use 1/8" Lexan for this, and you can put labels
on the back, and paint the back. This looks great, and is protected.
The floating panel is mounted on shock mounts (or just bolts with
fuel line over them). Cut holes in the metal panel to match the floating
panel, but oversize about 1/4" or so - to keep the strength of the
panel (it IS structural). Attach a 1 1/2" aluminum angle to the bottom
of the panel - all the way across, and even out the angles. This angle
will stiffen up the panel AND give you a plave to mount the throttle,
mixture, carb heat, primer, and trim button, leaving space for 2 rows
of full sized instruments on the panel. (can be a 2" angle)

......bobp

-----------------------------------orig.------------------------------------
---
At 09:09 PM 1/27/00 -0330, you wrote:

Is there any instruments types or brand names that I should stay away from?
There seems to be such a variety out there. I heard that some of the

cheaper

brands can't stand up to the vibration!?

Richard DeCiero wrote:

Clay,
Check out www.aeroelectric.com and read some of the material. Bob
Nuckolls is the owner of that site and has some interesting info there.

He

has a book on aircraft electrical systems that would be very helpful.

Gook

luck.
Rick D.
Rebel 446

Clay Smith wrote:

I'm just about ready to start working on my panel. Would anyone have
any suggestions on flight and engine instrument types? A good place to
buy them with reasonable pricing? How about the other stuff, like
switches, wiring and circuit breakers?
Thanks, Clay

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