Up Elevator / Moose landing speeds

[Ted Waltman]

I'm still experimenting too, but, just below 80mph, closer to 75mph, seems to work well. Below 75 and things, as you imply, get ugly fast. Coming in at 80 a couple of weeks ago, 3/4 fuel, pilot & co-pilot, very little elevator left on flair--too forward of CG as I had no ballast in back.

I had a Maule (with VG's) before this Moose (no VG's). I could land the Maule very short. Thus far I'm a bit disappointed that I haven't mastered a real short-field landing in the Moose (yet). I can probably get it stopped in 1,000, maybe 1,200 feet, but I'd like to do far less.

Also, it seems to land best in a slight wheel-landing attitude (TW just a few inches, I suspect, off the ground). I always 3-pointed the Maule.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com on behalf of Dick Shotwell
Sent: Mon 9/20/2004 7:22 PM
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Subject: Re: UP Elevator rigging



Ted,
What approach speed do you use? We have about 50 hours on Moose 235DS and
have had our best landings with an approach speed of 90 MPH indicated (no
flaps). This seems too high but at the same time seems to work well. We
are still experimenting. We've made some pretty bad landings using full
flaps and 75 MPH (indicated) approach speeds.
Still testing!
Dick
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From: "Ted Waltman" <tedwaltman@i1ci.com>
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Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 18:22 PM
Subject: RE: UP Elevator rigging

With 68 landings in my Moose, I can say that if one gets too slow on
final there's very little (if any) up elevator left for a flair/landing
fineness. This is particularly true with a (very) forward CG (e.g. full
fuel, pilot, no bags/other weight.

Adding some ballast to the baggage area when flying solo will help this
issue tremendously.

With about 600+ landings in a Maule prior to owning the Moose, I can say
that the Maule had the same issue--too slow on approach and you either
added power to flair or pancaked. Adding a bit of up elevator will, of
course, help a little. However, it would be my humble opinion that the
right approach speed is really the key.

Ted

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rickhm@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 2:16 PM
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Subject: Re: UP Elevator rigging and Murray's (unfortunate) offroad
adventure!


Unfortunate! What airframe, Rebel or SR/Moose. My reason for asking is
to understand if all of us building a SR/Moose will see this.

Rick Muller
SR70




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[Bob Patterson]

Hi Ted !

Sound like you've got it pretty close. I had best luck with approaches at
75(+) mph and 2 notches of flap - it's very hard to land with full flap on the Moose,
as it's coming down toooooo fast ! :-) I would carry the extra speed all the way
to the flare - it gave a bit of float, and more time to get the tail down to the
right angle. Usually about 800+ ft. roll, without brakes ...

It will 3 point nicely, but you should always fly with <at least> a 150 lb.
toolbox at the back of the baggage area ! ;-) :-) It was amazing the improvement
that the longer gear legs made - it was very difficult to get a good 3 point
with the shorter legs. Maybe VG's on the bottom rear of the stab might help,
as will at least 27 degrees of up elevator ...

.......bobp

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On Tuesday 21 September 2004 07:53 am, Ted Waltman wrote:

I'm still experimenting too, but, just below 80mph, closer to 75mph, seems to work well. Below 75 and things, as you imply, get ugly fast. Coming in at 80 a couple of weeks ago, 3/4 fuel, pilot & co-pilot, very little elevator left on flair--too forward of CG as I had no ballast in back.

I had a Maule (with VG's) before this Moose (no VG's). I could land the Maule very short. Thus far I'm a bit disappointed that I haven't mastered a real short-field landing in the Moose (yet). I can probably get it stopped in 1,000, maybe 1,200 feet, but I'd like to do far less.

Also, it seems to land best in a slight wheel-landing attitude (TW just a few inches, I suspect, off the ground). I always 3-pointed the Maule.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com on behalf of Dick Shotwell
Sent: Mon 9/20/2004 7:22 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Cc:
Subject: Re: UP Elevator rigging



Ted,
What approach speed do you use? We have about 50 hours on Moose 235DS and
have had our best landings with an approach speed of 90 MPH indicated (no
flaps). This seems too high but at the same time seems to work well. We
are still experimenting. We've made some pretty bad landings using full
flaps and 75 MPH (indicated) approach speeds.
Still testing!
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Waltman" <tedwaltman@i1ci.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 18:22 PM
Subject: RE: UP Elevator rigging

With 68 landings in my Moose, I can say that if one gets too slow on
final there's very little (if any) up elevator left for a flair/landing
fineness. This is particularly true with a (very) forward CG (e.g. full
fuel, pilot, no bags/other weight.

Adding some ballast to the baggage area when flying solo will help this
issue tremendously.

With about 600+ landings in a Maule prior to owning the Moose, I can say
that the Maule had the same issue--too slow on approach and you either
added power to flair or pancaked. Adding a bit of up elevator will, of
course, help a little. However, it would be my humble opinion that the
right approach speed is really the key.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
rickhm@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 2:16 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: UP Elevator rigging and Murray's (unfortunate) offroad
adventure!


Unfortunate! What airframe, Rebel or SR/Moose. My reason for asking is
to understand if all of us building a SR/Moose will see this.

Rick Muller
SR70




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