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Wayne G. O'Shea

Smacking it on the runway!!

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:19 am

Probably same thing here guys. They figure the Rebel POH is close enough so
aren't going to bother writting another one. Can be found in the same
location as the maint manual.

Wayne

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From: "Keith Oliver" <kboliver@adelphia.net>
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Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 9:37 AM
Subject: RE: Smacking it on the runway!!

Not a word as of sun n fun

Keith Oliver
Elite #654 TD
N654ME (reserved)
Farmingdale, Maine



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Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 9:14 AM
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Keith

Have you heard of the existence of an Elite POH? Last time I asked it
didn't seem to exist.

Cheers,

Dave R.
www.elite583.cjb.net

Keith Oliver wrote:
Thanks

Keith Oliver
Elite #654 TD
N654ME (reserved)
Farmingdale, Maine

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
WALTER KLATT
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 5:36 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: RE: Smacking it on the runway!!

You can download the latest manuals from this link.
http://www.murphyair.com/SUPPORT/Rebel.htm

Walter

----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Oliver <kboliver@adelphia.net>
Date: Friday, June 25, 2004 2:15 pm
Subject: RE: Smacking it on the runway!!
200 hour "throw away" in
their Maintenance Manual.... WHAT MANUAL

Keith Oliver
Elite #654 TD
N654ME (reserved)
Farmingdale, Maine



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Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 10:18 PM
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Subject: Re: Smacking it on the runway!!


I've been sitting back on this one Frank..... as I don't like to
over sell
here.... but the weakest link of the gear is that aluminum bungee
strut.Even MAM has it (the slider section) down now as a 200 hour
"throw away" in
their Maintenance Manual.... so they started listening somewhere
along the
line. The best "Band-Aid" you can use to hold the legs together is
the 4130
struts and die springs like I build, or that you can fabricate
yourself.
These overbuilt 4130 struts do wonders for keeping the gear intact
even in a
ground loop. I've done one intentionally to avoid going through a
fence (at
about 35 MPH) and have watched a "customer" do a couple at 45MPH++
withoutdamage to airframe. The only thing I have managed to bend
on my airplane is
a main gear leg and I had to do a helicopter landing (at about 3
g's) onto
one ski edge, that sheared all my door post rivets out, broke my
windshieldetc. The bent leg was very hard to detect even off the
airplane. All I
noticed to prompt removing it was the tire/wheel seemed to sit a
littlecocked compared to usual. Placing the gear leg on a flat
surface and holding
at one end barely showed the warp, but pushing down at the other
end had the
opposite end about an inch in the air thanks to the bend being
only a few
inches out from the one end.

First check your bungee bolts. Did they get bent?? Then check the
main gear
leg with a steel straight edge that matches the full length of the
leg.
Cheers,
Wayne

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Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 7:57 PM
Subject: Smacking it on the runway!!

some great questionthat 138 have
been My question
is, don't feed
the anyone know
where probably over- somethingcan


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David Ricker

Smacking it on the runway!!

Post by David Ricker » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:19 am

Any idea what Transport Canada/FAA think of this "oversight"? There are a few
things that the Elite has that you don't find (to maintain/pre-flight) on a
Rebel....like a wheel on the front in some cases.

Cheers,

Dave

"Wayne G. O'Shea" wrote:
Probably same thing here guys. They figure the Rebel POH is close enough so
aren't going to bother writting another one. Can be found in the same
location as the maint manual.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Oliver" <kboliver@adelphia.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 9:37 AM
Subject: RE: Smacking it on the runway!!
Not a word as of sun n fun

Keith Oliver
Elite #654 TD
N654ME (reserved)
Farmingdale, Maine



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David Ricker
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 9:14 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Smacking it on the runway!!


Keith

Have you heard of the existence of an Elite POH? Last time I asked it
didn't seem to exist.

Cheers,

Dave R.
www.elite583.cjb.net

Keith Oliver wrote:
Thanks

Keith Oliver
Elite #654 TD
N654ME (reserved)
Farmingdale, Maine

-----Original Message-----
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WALTER KLATT
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 5:36 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: RE: Smacking it on the runway!!

You can download the latest manuals from this link.
http://www.murphyair.com/SUPPORT/Rebel.htm

Walter

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Date: Friday, June 25, 2004 2:15 pm
Subject: RE: Smacking it on the runway!!
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Wayne G. O'Shea

Smacking it on the runway!!

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:19 am

You won't find too many amateur built plans/kit manufactures that are
supplying POH's, Maintenance manuals etc. You are expected to compile your
own check list for flight and emergency procedures(and ramp checks by TC!).

Wayne

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From: "David Ricker" <ricker@inherentsys.ca>
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Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: Smacking it on the runway!!

Any idea what Transport Canada/FAA think of this "oversight"? There are a
few
things that the Elite has that you don't find (to maintain/pre-flight) on
a
Rebel....like a wheel on the front in some cases.

Cheers,

Dave

"Wayne G. O'Shea" wrote:
Probably same thing here guys. They figure the Rebel POH is close enough
so
aren't going to bother writting another one. Can be found in the same
location as the maint manual.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Oliver" <kboliver@adelphia.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 9:37 AM
Subject: RE: Smacking it on the runway!!
Not a word as of sun n fun

Keith Oliver
Elite #654 TD
N654ME (reserved)
Farmingdale, Maine



-----Original Message-----
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David Ricker
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 9:14 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Smacking it on the runway!!


Keith

Have you heard of the existence of an Elite POH? Last time I asked it
didn't seem to exist.

Cheers,

Dave R.
www.elite583.cjb.net

Keith Oliver wrote:
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Ken

Smacking it on the runway!!

Post by Ken » Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:19 am

Interestingly my undated 1650 lb landing gear retrofit instructions at
step 3 does say that the inner sleeve (in LG33)

"can be left full length however this is not necessary and does add
extra weight."

It recommends cutting it off 3/8" below the top 2 bolts.

If I understand correctly - I would agree that an inner sleeve that
extends half way down is probably not the best idea. It might well act
as a stress riser and be worse than cutting it at the recommended spot.
Full length sounds reasonable; as does cut short as recommended.

Ken

Walter Klatt wrote:
I think that inner sleeve was part of the 1650 upgrade for the
bungee gear. Too bad it didn't go the full length, because the
bend occurred exactly where it ended, in the middle of the gear
strut. And there were no drilled holes in that strut. If I were
building it again, I would extend an inner sleeve the full
length.
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