Slick Ice and ski flying

[Wayne G. O'Shea]

We just need to teach these guys when on "polished" ice.... and not
stopping.... to go full left rudder, full power, turn the bastard around and
then maintain full power while sliding backwards until you stop!! Ice like
this happens very rarely, but when it does it's like bowling for airplanes.
There wasn't as much as a ripple, air pocket or hump in the lake surface and
you couldn't damage the gear by catching on anything if you spun the
airplane around on skis. We had some very near misses with around 40
airplanes tucked to the shore. One guy with a Luscombe... I grabbed his wing
strut as he went by to change his course a couple of degrees. Damn good
thing as he missed my prop tip by about 6 inches with his wing tip. This was
one day were penetration skis really shined as the tires where actually
steerable and brakes worked (a bit). What happened to generate this ice was
rain and +10C on the Friday and Sat morning, then a flash freeze Sat
afternoon to -25C making the smoothest ice I've ever seen for a Sunday
afternoon get together on Matchadash Lake just North/West of Orillia. When
walking on the ice you could not even lift a foot, or you'd fall on your
butt. Had to slide one foot ahead of the other to make it to shore.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Warren Montgomery" <monty@emirates.net.ae>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: Midland Ski Flyin

Beta props anyone? The extra 6K could be worth it??
Warren

Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

Got pretty dangerous at a local hunt camp with guys sliding for an extra

1000+ feet >AFTER< turning their engines off!!..
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[George Coy]

Maybe the guys flying M-14P's need to use the right rudder... By the way,
the Yak-52 skis have some steel fingers that come out the bottom of the ski
when you press the brake handle. You could retract one and deploy one with
the rudder pedals. Made turning on skis a lot easier. They were operated by
little air cylinders. Of course the aircraft has air brakes to start with.
Amazing what you can do with pneumatic systems for breaking.
George Coy

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 4:27 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Slick Ice and ski flying


We just need to teach these guys when on "polished" ice.... and not
stopping.... to go full left rudder, full power, turn the bastard around and
then maintain full power while sliding backwards until you stop!! Ice like
this happens very rarely, but when it does it's like bowling for airplanes.
There wasn't as much as a ripple, air pocket or hump in the lake surface and
you couldn't damage the gear by catching on anything if you spun the
airplane around on skis. We had some very near misses with around 40
airplanes tucked to the shore. One guy with a Luscombe... I grabbed his wing
strut as he went by to change his course a couple of degrees. Damn good
thing as he missed my prop tip by about 6 inches with his wing tip. This was
one day were penetration skis really shined as the tires where actually
steerable and brakes worked (a bit). What happened to generate this ice was
rain and +10C on the Friday and Sat morning, then a flash freeze Sat
afternoon to -25C making the smoothest ice I've ever seen for a Sunday
afternoon get together on Matchadash Lake just North/West of Orillia. When
walking on the ice you could not even lift a foot, or you'd fall on your
butt. Had to slide one foot ahead of the other to make it to shore.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Warren Montgomery" <monty@emirates.net.ae>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: Midland Ski Flyin

Beta props anyone? The extra 6K could be worth it??
Warren

Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

Got pretty dangerous at a local hunt camp with guys sliding for an extra

1000+ feet >AFTER< turning their engines off!!..
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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

You mean you've never done that with the triple 7??!!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Warren Montgomery" <monty@emirates.net.ae>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: Slick Ice and ski flying

Wow! 12,000 hours and I see I've still a lot to learn......
I guess that's what makes it all fun.
Warren

Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

to go full left rudder, full power, turn the bastard around and
then maintain full power while sliding backwards until you stop!!

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[Warren Montgomery]

Wow! 12,000 hours and I see I've still a lot to learn......
I guess that's what makes it all fun.
Warren

Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

to go full left rudder, full power, turn the bastard around and
then maintain full power while sliding backwards until you stop!!

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[Warren Montgomery]

No, but a buddy on his first command trip on a Falcon 20 during a freak
January rain in 1987 left the centre 75' sanded section on 06R at
Toronto Pearson (YYZ) and did a complete 360 entering a highspeed
taxiway. Neeedless to say he crawled to the ramp at about 1/2 knot after
that followed by a much needed change of under garments!! I flew the
night before for another there but for the grace of God go I..........
Going a bit off the topic of building but as an accident investigator
it's important to share these experiences before my colleges have to
analyze the bent bits.

Warren

Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

You mean you've never done that with the triple 7??!!

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