props

[Bob Patterson]

Thanks Dale !! Sounds like you've got a winner !!!

Does the prop require re-torquing regularly, like all
wood props, or does the carbon fiber coating avoid that ??

.....bobp

----------------------------orig.-------------------------------
At 10:39 AM 6/21/03 -0500, you wrote:

Murphy pilots,

Here are the test results using a new overhauled Sensenich and a Prince
wood/carbon fiber prop(bought from Colleen at Murphy}.

The Sensenich with spacer and hardware 38lbs, Prince 13lbs with the same
spacer and hardware.
Static thrust, Sensenich 450/2400rpm, Prince 505/2300rpm.
The Prince prop averaged 70fpm rate of climb better than the Sensenich.
Full power, they both indicated 115mph/2600rpm.

My plane has a 160hp Lycoming on amphibious floats.

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Rebel pilots,

The Sensenich was a 74-56, and the Prince a74-44. I questioned the 44 pitch
and was told because off the P-tips semitar shape, and because the blades
cone under a load, it changes pitch. It does work!

I do not know if I will need to re-torque the prop


, but plan on checking it out.

Prince prop has a site for better information, www.princeaircraft.com.
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At 10:39 AM 6/21/2003 -0500, you wrote:

Murphy pilots,

Here are the test results using a new overhauled Sensenich and a Prince
wood/carbon fiber prop(bought from Colleen at Murphy}.

The Sensenich with spacer and hardware 38lbs, Prince 13lbs with the same
spacer and hardware.
Static thrust, Sensenich 450/2400rpm, Prince 505/2300rpm.
The Prince prop averaged 70fpm rate of climb better than the Sensenich.
Full power, they both indicated 115mph/2600rpm.

My plane has a 160hp Lycoming on amphibious floats.

Dale N295RT

Cool Dale Is that a 2or3 blade prop? Does it have any leading edge
protection to prevent water erosion on floats?

Drew Dalgleish




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On 6/22/2003 5:27 AM, DKOPFF@EARTHLINK.NET wrote to MURPHY-REBEL:
How does the engine idle with the lighter prop and will this prop have the same
cracking issues that the Warp Drive props have had?
Rick D.



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->
-> The Sensenich was a 74-56, and the Prince a74-44. I questioned the 44 pitch
-> and was told because off the P-tips semitar shape, and because the blades
-> cone under a load, it changes pitch. It does work!
->
-> I do not know if I will need to re-torque the prop
->
->
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->
-> Prince prop has a site for better information, www.princeaircraft.com.
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[Dale Kopff]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: Props

At 10:39 AM 6/21/2003 -0500, you wrote:

Murphy pilots,

Here are the test results using a new overhauled Sensenich and a Prince
wood/carbon fiber prop(bought from Colleen at Murphy}.

The Sensenich with spacer and hardware 38lbs, Prince 13lbs with the same
spacer and hardware.
Static thrust, Sensenich 450/2400rpm, Prince 505/2300rpm.
The Prince prop averaged 70fpm rate of climb better than the Sensenich.
Full power, they both indicated 115mph/2600rpm.

My plane has a 160hp Lycoming on amphibious floats.

Dale N295RT

Cool Dale Is that a 2or3 blade prop? Does it have any leading edge
protection to prevent water erosion on floats?

Drew Dalgleish

Drew,

I have a two blade, and if there is any leading edge protection, it would be
under the carbon fiber finish.

Lonnie Prince has said I could have better performance if I would have
ordered a larger diameter prop.
Does anyone know what is the largest prop that can be used on a amphibious
rebel?

I will be selling my new overhauled Sensenich 74-56 prop, and I also have a
13" 3 blade aluminum spinner for sale.

Dale
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[Dale Kopff]

----- Original Message -----
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To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 8:29 AM
Subject: RE: props

On 6/22/2003 5:27 AM, DKOPFF@EARTHLINK.NET wrote to MURPHY-REBEL:
How does the engine idle with the lighter prop and will this prop have the

same

cracking issues that the Warp Drive props have had?
Rick D.

Rick,
I can not tell any difference between props at idle.
Because the prop has a wood core, there is a life time waranty from
cracking.

Dale

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->
-> The Sensenich was a 74-56, and the Prince a74-44. I questioned the 44

pitch

-> and was told because off the P-tips semitar shape, and because the

blades

-> cone under a load, it changes pitch. It does work!
->
-> I do not know if I will need to re-torque the prop
->
->
-> , but plan on checking it out.
->
-> Prince prop has a site for better information, www.princeaircraft.com.
-> They have made over 6000 props in the last 22 years.
->

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[Bob Patterson]

Hi Dale !

You can go to 76" with no problems .... not sure
about longer (there's clearance, but Lycoming might have other
ideas !). ;-)

.....bobp

---------------------------------orig.----------------------------------
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: Props

At 10:39 AM 6/21/2003 -0500, you wrote:

Murphy pilots,

Here are the test results using a new overhauled Sensenich and a Prince
wood/carbon fiber prop(bought from Colleen at Murphy}.

The Sensenich with spacer and hardware 38lbs, Prince 13lbs with the same
spacer and hardware.
Static thrust, Sensenich 450/2400rpm, Prince 505/2300rpm.
The Prince prop averaged 70fpm rate of climb better than the Sensenich.
Full power, they both indicated 115mph/2600rpm.

My plane has a 160hp Lycoming on amphibious floats.

Dale N295RT

Cool Dale Is that a 2or3 blade prop? Does it have any leading edge
protection to prevent water erosion on floats?

Drew Dalgleish

Drew,

I have a two blade, and if there is any leading edge protection, it would be
under the carbon fiber finish.

Lonnie Prince has said I could have better performance if I would have
ordered a larger diameter prop.
Does anyone know what is the largest prop that can be used on a amphibious
rebel?

I will be selling my new overhauled Sensenich 74-56 prop, and I also have a
13" 3 blade aluminum spinner for sale.

Dale
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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

82" Borer props are certified for O-320's, so that's a diameter that's okay.
There is a >LOT< more room than that if your floats are mounted per MAM's
drawings, but sure wouldn't be a quiet thing at 2600 RPM now would it??

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <apat@istar.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: Props

Hi Dale !

You can go to 76" with no problems .... not sure
about longer (there's clearance, but Lycoming might have other
ideas !). ;-)

.....bobp

---------------------------------orig.----------------------------------
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: Props

At 10:39 AM 6/21/2003 -0500, you wrote:

Prince

same

Sensenich.

Cool Dale Is that a 2or3 blade prop? Does it have any leading edge
protection to prevent water erosion on floats?

Drew Dalgleish

Drew,

I have a two blade, and if there is any leading edge protection, it would

be

under the carbon fiber finish.

Lonnie Prince has said I could have better performance if I would have
ordered a larger diameter prop.
Does anyone know what is the largest prop that can be used on a

amphibious

rebel?

I will be selling my new overhauled Sensenich 74-56 prop, and I also have

a

13" 3 blade aluminum spinner for sale.

Dale

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[Dale Kopff]

I have replaced my sensenich prop with a Prince (wood/carbon fiber) prop. It
outperforms the sensenich prop in thrust, rate of climb and is 22 lbs.
lighter.
The cruise speed is the same.

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[Walter Klatt]

Dale, could you also tell us what diameter and pitch of the new
prop you are using? And what is your static or take-off RPM? Can
you hit 2700 in full throttle straight and level?

Walter

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Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 1:52 PM
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Dale, which model Sensenich did you remove, the newer
DM wide chord tip
style or the older tapering/rounded tip style??

Wayne

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Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:22 AM
Subject: props

I have replaced my sensenich prop with a Prince

(wood/carbon fiber) prop.
It

outperforms the sensenich prop in thrust, rate of

climb and is 22 lbs.

lighter.
The cruise speed is the same.

Dale
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Dale, which model Sensenich did you remove, the newer DM wide chord tip
style or the older tapering/rounded tip style??

Wayne

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Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:22 AM
Subject: props

I have replaced my sensenich prop with a Prince (wood/carbon fiber) prop.

It

outperforms the sensenich prop in thrust, rate of climb and is 22 lbs.
lighter.
The cruise speed is the same.

Dale
Rebel (160 hp) N295RT

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Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 3:52 PM
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Dale, which model Sensenich did you remove, the newer DM wide chord tip
style or the older tapering/rounded tip style??

Wayne
The prop removed was a DM 74-56, just overhauled.
----- Original Message -----
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To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:22 AM
Subject: props

I have replaced my sensenich prop with a Prince (wood/carbon fiber)

prop.

It

outperforms the sensenich prop in thrust, rate of climb and is 22 lbs.
lighter.
The cruise speed is the same.

Dale
Rebel (160 hp) N295RT

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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

What's the pricing on the Prince Prop?? Sounds like maybe the way to go to
achieve the lightness of the Warp Drive and the Performance of the big metal
club!

Wayne

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Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: props

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Dale, which model Sensenich did you remove, the newer DM wide chord tip
style or the older tapering/rounded tip style??

Wayne
The prop removed was a DM 74-56, just overhauled.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Kopff" <dkopff@earthlink.net>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:22 AM
Subject: props

I have replaced my sensenich prop with a Prince (wood/carbon fiber)

prop.

It

outperforms the sensenich prop in thrust, rate of climb and is 22 lbs.
lighter.
The cruise speed is the same.

Dale
Rebel (160 hp) N295RT

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[Legeorgen]

Dale,

How interesting about your Prince prop out performing the Sensenich. The
22lb. not hanging way out front of the C&G is enough of a plus on its own! Have
any more detail on the specs? I suppose the only real draw back would be its use
on a float plane, being wood and composite. tell use more.

Bruce



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[Dale Kopff]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: props

What's the pricing on the Prince Prop?? Sounds like maybe the way to go to
achieve the lightness of the Warp Drive and the Performance of the big

metal

club!

Wayne
I bought the prince prop through Coleen at Murphy.

The cost was around $1,800.00 which included leading edge protection for sea
use.
Prince has been making props for over 25 years, currently about 300 props a
year, including the props for the military on the predator unmaned aircraft.

Dale

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Kopff" <dkopff@earthlink.net>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: props

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: props

Dale, which model Sensenich did you remove, the newer DM wide chord

tip

style or the older tapering/rounded tip style??

Wayne
The prop removed was a DM 74-56, just overhauled.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Kopff" <dkopff@earthlink.net>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:22 AM
Subject: props

prop.

It

lbs.

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