Third seat for Rebel/Elite

[Peter, Juliet, & Wanaao]

I take it wayne you are giving our conversation a subject, third seat
or flaps.

My Rebel, 499R, was completed in 1998. It is fitted with a 0-320. It
comes with a set of penetration skis, which I have been told that the
wheels create drag and can grab.

I will know more once I get the Rebel in my garage this winter to
install the third seat and belt, intercom, horizon, MP3 player, flaps,
and finish off the interior.

I hope to get two months before the dead of winter arrives here in
Yellowknife in the Northwest Territories. Hopefully I'll have all the
garage work done by March in time for so ski flying.

Thats a good question Walter about the seat belts. I would think I will
have to build up the areas I will attach the belts. Brian at Murphy
suggest I go to a race shop and get them to make me up a 5 point
harness. He said not to tell them it is for an A/C.

Thanks everyone for the suggestions.

Attached a picture of C-GDAF

Peter


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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Corrected the thread before this one goes any further!! Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <walter.klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:14 PM
Subject: RE: Newbie

Where would you mount the seat belts for this set-up? Any
pictures?

Walter

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Bob
Patterson
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:38 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Newbie


As for the extra seat, I've seen just a set of
cushions, back &
bottom, that match the front seats, placed on the
floor on the right side
of the baggage area. This has the passenger sitting sideways,
across the fuselage. As long as you have proper seat
belts, this
setup will give lots of head & leg room, while keeping the flap
mixer away from the action. The cushions can be secured with a
couple of strips of Velcro.

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[Peter, Juliet, and Wanaao]

Bruce

If you have any idea where to start looking for the aluminum seat let
me know.

Thanks,

Peter


On Wednesday, October 22, 2003, at 06:48 PM, Legeorgen@aol.com wrote:

Hi Dave

The jump set I was revering to is the fold down seat that is a popular
item
with boaters. I've seen aluminum ones that are less the a $100 us.
They set
only about 8-10" high but that's about right for the amount of head
room the
Rebel has in the rear. It would bolt to the floor in any position you
want with
the proper reinforcing. and fold down when not in use for better
storage.

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[Legeorgen]

Hi Dave

The jump set I was revering to is the fold down seat that is a popular item
with boaters. I've seen aluminum ones that are less the a $100 us. They set
only about 8-10" high but that's about right for the amount of head room the
Rebel has in the rear. It would bolt to the floor in any position you want with
the proper reinforcing. and fold down when not in use for better storage.

Bruce



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[Walter Klatt]

And when somebody knows where the seat belt attach points go,
please let us know also.

Walter

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Legeorgen@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:01 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Third seat for Rebel/Elite


Peter

Start looking for the seat in a marine store. You can
find them in some
discount stores for less, if your willing to spend the time

Bruce



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[Walter Klatt]

Thanks, Wayne. I can see the set-up you describe work for 2 rear
seats.

I was actually thinking of Bobp's suggestion earlier of just
velcroing some seat cushions (patio chair cushions?) to the floor
and right side, sitting sideways in the back with the feet
towards the left side. Perhaps the shoulder and forward lap belt
can use the same attach points as the right front seat. Then
maybe the rear lap belt for this 3rd seat could be attached to
the float point bulkhead similarly to what you have. Do you have
any pictures for that one by any chance?

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:33 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Third seat for Rebel/Elite


For my rear seats I attached the shoulder harnesses to
the top corners of
the bulkhead one behind the float pt bulkhead. Of
course I reinforced the
corner with a .125 plate and this should be more than
sufficient for the
average 140 pounder that you would be putting in the
back. The lap belts
attach to a triangular .125 plate that joins the floor
side wrap channels
and the float point bulkhead. On the mixer arm side I
made up a single plate
that has the mixer pivots triangle forward of the
bulkhead and the seat belt
attach aft. When I was building the inner floor I
attached a .125 plate to
the double bulkhead to attach the pair of seatbelt
ends in the middle of the
fuselage for both seats

Cheers,
Wayne

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[Peter, Juliet, & Wanaao]

Thanks guys for all the info. I am on a steep learning curve right now.
In a couple of years I hope to have some of the knowledge you guys have.

My Rebel should be in Northern Ontario or Manitoba tonight. There is
some weather moving through that area over the next couple of days.

Peter

On Thursday, October 23, 2003, at 09:05 PM, Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

You're definitely right about passenger coverage! It just never
crossed my
mind.... as I carry a 10 million $ combined blanket policy for
anything I
fly, that covers 3 passenger seats.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <apat@istar.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: Third seat for Rebel/Elite

Hi Wayne !

You're absolutely right !! And don't forget to notify
your insurance company of the corrected number of seats, as
many cover "by the number of passenger seats" - that extra
convenience will cost you 'big time' !!! :-(

....bobp

-----------------------------orig.-----------------------------
At 10:41 PM 10/23/03 -0400, you wrote:

I hate to bring this up at this point of the thread, but when you
built

your

Rebel the original C or R registration form asked for # of seats.
Mine is
legally registered for 4 seats. The formula to prove you can
actually use
the 4 seats worked out to requiring 66.6 Hp or more making me okay
when I
only had 100 Hp!

It would be an out for the insurance company and a violation on your

licence

file if someone had the time to pull your file if they were in a bad
mood
and out doing ramp checks! If anyone is contemplating adding an extra

seat,

after the fact, then I would at least make sure you amend your W & B

report

to include an extra seat and harness assembly on the equipment list
and a
sample calculation of flying with this seat occupied.

Just throw a cover letter on it asking to "please add the attached W
& B
amendment to C-G***'s file" and submit it to which ever TC office
that
holds your file and then you are clean and free from being violated!!

When in doubt throw the ball in their court! I have found that they
don't
have the time or manpower to do anything other than what you ask and

really

doubt anyone would come to inspect the installation!


Wayne

----- Original Message -----
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To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:29 PM
Subject: RE: Third seat for Rebel/Elite

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[Legeorgen]

Peter

Start looking for the seat in a marine store. You can find them in some
discount stores for less, if your willing to spend the time

Bruce



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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

For my rear seats I attached the shoulder harnesses to the top corners of
the bulkhead one behind the float pt bulkhead. Of course I reinforced the
corner with a .125 plate and this should be more than sufficient for the
average 140 pounder that you would be putting in the back. The lap belts
attach to a triangular .125 plate that joins the floor side wrap channels
and the float point bulkhead. On the mixer arm side I made up a single plate
that has the mixer pivots triangle forward of the bulkhead and the seat belt
attach aft. When I was building the inner floor I attached a .125 plate to
the double bulkhead to attach the pair of seatbelt ends in the middle of the
fuselage for both seats

Cheers,
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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

See if I can find a minute tomorrow to take a shot of the lap attachments.

For a sideways seat I would think, as I believe Brian G suggested to Peter,
a 5 point harness. This would keep you from sliding out of the seat in a
hard arrival. "Neuter" strap attached to floor, lap belt to rear door
bulkhead/side channel area and the rearward side probably the same spot as
my 4 seat set. Double shoulder straps with the fwd one probably the same
plate as the passenger shoulder strap and the rearward to the top area of
the float bulkhead.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Klatt" <walter.klatt@shaw.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:18 PM
Subject: RE: Third seat for Rebel/Elite

Thanks, Wayne. I can see the set-up you describe work for 2 rear
seats.

I was actually thinking of Bobp's suggestion earlier of just
velcroing some seat cushions (patio chair cushions?) to the floor
and right side, sitting sideways in the back with the feet
towards the left side. Perhaps the shoulder and forward lap belt
can use the same attach points as the right front seat. Then
maybe the rear lap belt for this 3rd seat could be attached to
the float point bulkhead similarly to what you have. Do you have
any pictures for that one by any chance?

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:33 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Third seat for Rebel/Elite


For my rear seats I attached the shoulder harnesses to
the top corners of
the bulkhead one behind the float pt bulkhead. Of
course I reinforced the
corner with a .125 plate and this should be more than
sufficient for the
average 140 pounder that you would be putting in the
back. The lap belts
attach to a triangular .125 plate that joins the floor
side wrap channels
and the float point bulkhead. On the mixer arm side I
made up a single plate
that has the mixer pivots triangle forward of the
bulkhead and the seat belt
attach aft. When I was building the inner floor I
attached a .125 plate to
the double bulkhead to attach the pair of seatbelt
ends in the middle of the
fuselage for both seats

Cheers,
Wayne

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[Bob Patterson]

Right on, Walter ! That's what I would do - just pick
up the existing points for the one seat.

The regs say you must have a seat belt for each occupant -
there's no specific mention of a "seat", so the cushions would work
fine ! Can't be too thick, in any case, because there's not
a lot of extra room back there ... ;-) :-)

.....bobp

----------------------------orig.-------------------------------
At 07:18 PM 10/23/03 -0700, you wrote:

Thanks, Wayne. I can see the set-up you describe work for 2 rear
seats.

I was actually thinking of Bobp's suggestion earlier of just
velcroing some seat cushions (patio chair cushions?) to the floor
and right side, sitting sideways in the back with the feet
towards the left side. Perhaps the shoulder and forward lap belt
can use the same attach points as the right front seat. Then
maybe the rear lap belt for this 3rd seat could be attached to
the float point bulkhead similarly to what you have. Do you have
any pictures for that one by any chance?

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:33 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Third seat for Rebel/Elite


For my rear seats I attached the shoulder harnesses to
the top corners of
the bulkhead one behind the float pt bulkhead. Of
course I reinforced the
corner with a .125 plate and this should be more than
sufficient for the
average 140 pounder that you would be putting in the
back. The lap belts
attach to a triangular .125 plate that joins the floor
side wrap channels
and the float point bulkhead. On the mixer arm side I
made up a single plate
that has the mixer pivots triangle forward of the
bulkhead and the seat belt
attach aft. When I was building the inner floor I
attached a .125 plate to
the double bulkhead to attach the pair of seatbelt
ends in the middle of the
fuselage for both seats

Cheers,
Wayne

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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

I hate to bring this up at this point of the thread, but when you built your
Rebel the original C or R registration form asked for # of seats. Mine is
legally registered for 4 seats. The formula to prove you can actually use
the 4 seats worked out to requiring 66.6 Hp or more making me okay when I
only had 100 Hp!

It would be an out for the insurance company and a violation on your licence
file if someone had the time to pull your file if they were in a bad mood
and out doing ramp checks! If anyone is contemplating adding an extra seat,
after the fact, then I would at least make sure you amend your W & B report
to include an extra seat and harness assembly on the equipment list and a
sample calculation of flying with this seat occupied.

Just throw a cover letter on it asking to "please add the attached W & B
amendment to C-G***'s file" and submit it to which ever TC office that
holds your file and then you are clean and free from being violated!!

When in doubt throw the ball in their court! I have found that they don't
have the time or manpower to do anything other than what you ask and really
doubt anyone would come to inspect the installation!


Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <apat@istar.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:29 PM
Subject: RE: Third seat for Rebel/Elite

Right on, Walter ! That's what I would do - just pick
up the existing points for the one seat.

The regs say you must have a seat belt for each occupant -
there's no specific mention of a "seat", so the cushions would work
fine ! Can't be too thick, in any case, because there's not
a lot of extra room back there ... ;-) :-)

.....bobp

----------------------------orig.-------------------------------
At 07:18 PM 10/23/03 -0700, you wrote:

Thanks, Wayne. I can see the set-up you describe work for 2 rear
seats.

I was actually thinking of Bobp's suggestion earlier of just
velcroing some seat cushions (patio chair cushions?) to the floor
and right side, sitting sideways in the back with the feet
towards the left side. Perhaps the shoulder and forward lap belt
can use the same attach points as the right front seat. Then
maybe the rear lap belt for this 3rd seat could be attached to
the float point bulkhead similarly to what you have. Do you have
any pictures for that one by any chance?

Walter

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Wayne G. O'Shea
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:33 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Third seat for Rebel/Elite


For my rear seats I attached the shoulder harnesses to
the top corners of
the bulkhead one behind the float pt bulkhead. Of
course I reinforced the
corner with a .125 plate and this should be more than
sufficient for the
average 140 pounder that you would be putting in the
back. The lap belts
attach to a triangular .125 plate that joins the floor
side wrap channels
and the float point bulkhead. On the mixer arm side I
made up a single plate
that has the mixer pivots triangle forward of the
bulkhead and the seat belt
attach aft. When I was building the inner floor I
attached a .125 plate to
the double bulkhead to attach the pair of seatbelt
ends in the middle of the
fuselage for both seats

Cheers,
Wayne

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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

You're definitely right about passenger coverage! It just never crossed my
mind.... as I carry a 10 million $ combined blanket policy for anything I
fly, that covers 3 passenger seats.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <apat@istar.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: Third seat for Rebel/Elite

Hi Wayne !

You're absolutely right !! And don't forget to notify
your insurance company of the corrected number of seats, as
many cover "by the number of passenger seats" - that extra
convenience will cost you 'big time' !!! :-(

....bobp

-----------------------------orig.-----------------------------
At 10:41 PM 10/23/03 -0400, you wrote:

I hate to bring this up at this point of the thread, but when you built

your

Rebel the original C or R registration form asked for # of seats. Mine is
legally registered for 4 seats. The formula to prove you can actually use
the 4 seats worked out to requiring 66.6 Hp or more making me okay when I
only had 100 Hp!

It would be an out for the insurance company and a violation on your

licence

file if someone had the time to pull your file if they were in a bad mood
and out doing ramp checks! If anyone is contemplating adding an extra

seat,

after the fact, then I would at least make sure you amend your W & B

report

to include an extra seat and harness assembly on the equipment list and a
sample calculation of flying with this seat occupied.

Just throw a cover letter on it asking to "please add the attached W & B
amendment to C-G***'s file" and submit it to which ever TC office that
holds your file and then you are clean and free from being violated!!

When in doubt throw the ball in their court! I have found that they don't
have the time or manpower to do anything other than what you ask and

really

doubt anyone would come to inspect the installation!


Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <apat@istar.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:29 PM
Subject: RE: Third seat for Rebel/Elite

Right on, Walter ! That's what I would do - just pick
up the existing points for the one seat.

The regs say you must have a seat belt for each occupant -
there's no specific mention of a "seat", so the cushions would work
fine ! Can't be too thick, in any case, because there's not
a lot of extra room back there ... ;-) :-)

.....bobp

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[Bob Patterson]

Hi Wayne !

You're absolutely right !! And don't forget to notify
your insurance company of the corrected number of seats, as
many cover "by the number of passenger seats" - that extra
convenience will cost you 'big time' !!! :-(

....bobp

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At 10:41 PM 10/23/03 -0400, you wrote:

I hate to bring this up at this point of the thread, but when you built your
Rebel the original C or R registration form asked for # of seats. Mine is
legally registered for 4 seats. The formula to prove you can actually use
the 4 seats worked out to requiring 66.6 Hp or more making me okay when I
only had 100 Hp!

It would be an out for the insurance company and a violation on your licence
file if someone had the time to pull your file if they were in a bad mood
and out doing ramp checks! If anyone is contemplating adding an extra seat,
after the fact, then I would at least make sure you amend your W & B report
to include an extra seat and harness assembly on the equipment list and a
sample calculation of flying with this seat occupied.

Just throw a cover letter on it asking to "please add the attached W & B
amendment to C-G***'s file" and submit it to which ever TC office that
holds your file and then you are clean and free from being violated!!

When in doubt throw the ball in their court! I have found that they don't
have the time or manpower to do anything other than what you ask and really
doubt anyone would come to inspect the installation!


Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <apat@istar.ca>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:29 PM
Subject: RE: Third seat for Rebel/Elite

Right on, Walter ! That's what I would do - just pick
up the existing points for the one seat.

The regs say you must have a seat belt for each occupant -
there's no specific mention of a "seat", so the cushions would work
fine ! Can't be too thick, in any case, because there's not
a lot of extra room back there ... ;-) :-)

.....bobp

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Thanks, Wayne. I can see the set-up you describe work for 2 rear
seats.

I was actually thinking of Bobp's suggestion earlier of just
velcroing some seat cushions (patio chair cushions?) to the floor
and right side, sitting sideways in the back with the feet
towards the left side. Perhaps the shoulder and forward lap belt
can use the same attach points as the right front seat. Then
maybe the rear lap belt for this 3rd seat could be attached to
the float point bulkhead similarly to what you have. Do you have
any pictures for that one by any chance?

Walter

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[Peter, Juliet, & Wanaao]

My Rebel is out of a small town NE of Montreal.

Peter


On Friday, October 24, 2003, at 03:00 PM, Bob Patterson wrote:

Hi Peter !

Just out of curiosity, where did your Rebel come from ??

.....bobp

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At 10:40 PM 10/23/03 -0600, you wrote:

Thanks guys for all the info. I am on a steep learning curve right
now.
In a couple of years I hope to have some of the knowledge you guys
have.

My Rebel should be in Northern Ontario or Manitoba tonight. There is
some weather moving through that area over the next couple of days.

Peter

On Thursday, October 23, 2003, at 09:05 PM, Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

You're definitely right about passenger coverage! It just never
crossed my
mind.... as I carry a 10 million $ combined blanket policy for
anything I
fly, that covers 3 passenger seats.

Wayne

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