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[Angus McKenzie - McKenzie]

Hi Steve
Bob Howell in Reno NV is flying a finished M14P Moose and would be a good
resource person to ask about insurance.
Angus



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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

M14 SR...Yes Steve, it was done before MAM did theirs!

He is in Canada though and even though the insurance market is hard right
now we can easily use COPA's members policy and just plunk down a hull value
we think will cover it and pay either 1.25% on wheels or 1.75% on amphibs or
straight floats to get "tied down" Hull coverage. "In flight" coverage

MIGHT< be a different story!!! :o((

If you are State side I'm not sure what you have available.

Wayne

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From: "Steve Halvorsen" <shalvorsen@dataflo.net>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Cc: "Kit Layland" <KitLayland@aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 11:27 AM
Subject: INSURANCE

Hi everyone:

NEED HELP! ! ! !

I have been a lurker of the list for several months as we have a MOOSE (SR
213) quick build on order since last Sept. and it is to be shipped within
the next month or so, I hope. Haven't had much to offer the list as we

have

not started to build it yet. When that starts I'm sure we'll have LOTS of
questions.

You guys and gals have a lot of good answers to the questions asked and

this

list has a wealth of knowledge to be offered to anyone building a MURPHY
kit. Keep up the good work.

Now for my question:

Is there anyone that has built a moose with the M-14 engine installed

flying

other than MAM's?
In talking to our insurance broker, he cannot find ANY company that will
write a policy for this airplane. He deals with ALL eight companies that
cover aircraft and none will write a policy.
The only thing they will write (maybe) is liability coverage, no hull
coverage. EAA only deals with six of the eight companies in the market.

Need to find out if anyone has coverage on this style airplane and who the
insurance company is so that we can contact them. Or if anyone is in the
process of building one in this configuration and has insurance lined up.
It would be a real shame to put all the work into building such a great
plane and not be able to get coverage on it.

I realize that it will be awhile before the plane will fly but, we want to
get coverage for at least the kit for now just in case.

Thanks in advance for any help sent my way:

Steve H.
MOOSE SR 213
shalvorsen@dataflo.net

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[Steve Halvorsen]

Angus:

Thanks for the info. Do you have an e-mail address for Bob?
You can send it to me off list if you want so that I can contact him.

Steve H.
Moose 213
Shalvorsen@dataflo.net

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Angus McKenzie - McKenzie/STOL
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 9:43 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: INSURANCE


Hi Steve
Bob Howell in Reno NV is flying a finished M14P Moose and would be a good
resource person to ask about insurance.
Angus



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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

You talking "in flight" coverage Dale and I presume this is Amphib? Even
pre-Sept 11 inflight on an Amphib was usually around 6% of Hull value + the
liability premiums.

Doubt you will do any better, but sure worth trying.

Wayne

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To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 3:12 PM
Subject: insurane

Falcon isurance quoted me a price of $4532.00 for $1,000;000.00 liability,
$70,000.00 hull coverage ($7,000.00 deductable) and restricted to land
operations from 11-01 to 05-01,
Does anyone know of a better insurance company?

Dale
N295RT

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[Steve Halvorsen]

Dale:

What model of plane are flying? We are going to build a moose, someday when
ever it gets here and we found that we CAN NOT get insurance for it ! ! ! !
! ! !!
The only coverage available would be liability coverage, NO HULL.
Have been in contact with some of the other MOOSE builders and they are
having the same problem.
My broker has talked to all the aircraft insurers and they all say the same.

Steve H
SR213 maybe

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Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 2:13 PM
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Subject: insurane


Falcon isurance quoted me a price of $4532.00 for $1,000;000.00 liability,
$70,000.00 hull coverage ($7,000.00 deductable) and restricted to land
operations from 11-01 to 05-01,
Does anyone know of a better insurance company?

Dale
N295RT




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[Steve Halvorsen]

Al:
Does your insurance cover the hull? If it does than we'll contact Falcon
ourselves.
Ours will not be on floats as of now but that could change.
Thanks for the heads up!!!

Steve H
Moose 213 (maybe)


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& Deb Paxhia
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 8:23 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: insurane


Falcon was the ONLY Insurance Broker that could find a company that would
insure my Moose on amphibs. That insurance is through the Seaplane Pilots
Association.
Al
Moose, N526AP
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To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 12:12 PM
Subject: insurane

Falcon isurance quoted me a price of $4532.00 for $1,000;000.00 liability,
$70,000.00 hull coverage ($7,000.00 deductable) and restricted to land
operations from 11-01 to 05-01,
Does anyone know of a better insurance company?

Dale
N295RT

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[Dale Kopff]

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To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:46 PM
Subject: RE: insurance

Al:
Does your insurance cover the hull? If it does than we'll contact Falcon
ourselves.
Ours will not be on floats as of now but that could change.
Thanks for the heads up!!!

Steve H
Moose 213 (maybe)

Steve,
It does include the hull for $70,000.00 value, with a $7,000.00 deductable.

Dale

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& Deb Paxhia
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 8:23 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: insurane


Falcon was the ONLY Insurance Broker that could find a company that would
insure my Moose on amphibs. That insurance is through the Seaplane Pilots
Association.
Al
Moose, N526AP
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Kopff" <dkopff@earthlink.net>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 12:12 PM
Subject: insurane

Falcon isurance quoted me a price of $4532.00 for $1,000;000.00

liability,

$70,000.00 hull coverage ($7,000.00 deductable) and restricted to land
operations from 11-01 to 05-01,
Does anyone know of a better insurance company?

Dale
N295RT

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[Steve Halvorsen]

Dale & Al:

Could you please give me the insurance company that indorsed the policy.
You said you got it through Falcon, but what co. issued the policy.

Thanks

Steve H
SR 213

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Dale Kopff
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:28 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: insurance



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To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:46 PM
Subject: RE: insurance

Al:
Does your insurance cover the hull? If it does than we'll contact Falcon
ourselves.
Ours will not be on floats as of now but that could change.
Thanks for the heads up!!!

Steve H
Moose 213 (maybe)

Steve,
It does include the hull for $70,000.00 value, with a $7,000.00 deductable.

Dale

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& Deb Paxhia
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 8:23 PM
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Subject: Re: insurane


Falcon was the ONLY Insurance Broker that could find a company that would
insure my Moose on amphibs. That insurance is through the Seaplane Pilots
Association.
Al
Moose, N526AP
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Kopff" <dkopff@earthlink.net>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 12:12 PM
Subject: insurane

Falcon isurance quoted me a price of $4532.00 for $1,000;000.00

liability,

$70,000.00 hull coverage ($7,000.00 deductable) and restricted to land
operations from 11-01 to 05-01,
Does anyone know of a better insurance company?

Dale
N295RT

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[Al & Deb Paxhia]

Steve,
North American Specialty Insurance Company. Same agent that Dale has.
Al
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To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 3:23 PM
Subject: RE: insurance

Dale & Al:

Could you please give me the insurance company that indorsed the policy.
You said you got it through Falcon, but what co. issued the policy.

Thanks

Steve H
SR 213

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Dale Kopff
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:28 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: insurance



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To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:46 PM
Subject: RE: insurance

Al:
Does your insurance cover the hull? If it does than we'll contact

Falcon

ourselves.
Ours will not be on floats as of now but that could change.
Thanks for the heads up!!!

Steve H
Moose 213 (maybe)

Steve,
It does include the hull for $70,000.00 value, with a $7,000.00

deductable.

Dale

-----Original Message-----
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& Deb Paxhia
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 8:23 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: insurane


Falcon was the ONLY Insurance Broker that could find a company that

would

insure my Moose on amphibs. That insurance is through the Seaplane

Pilots

Association.
Al
Moose, N526AP
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Kopff" <dkopff@earthlink.net>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 12:12 PM
Subject: insurane

Falcon isurance quoted me a price of $4532.00 for $1,000;000.00

liability,

$70,000.00 hull coverage ($7,000.00 deductable) and restricted to land
operations from 11-01 to 05-01,
Does anyone know of a better insurance company?

Dale
N295RT

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[Dale Kopff]

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To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 5:23 PM
Subject: RE: insurance

Dale & Al:

Could you please give me the insurance company that indorsed the policy.
You said you got it through Falcon, but what co. issued the policy.

Thanks

Steve H
SR 213

Steve,
The agent at Falcon is Jeff Sutton, 1877-661-9341, my binder says it is
insured with U.S. Specialty Co.
Dale

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Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:28 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
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To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:46 PM
Subject: RE: insurance

Al:
Does your insurance cover the hull? If it does than we'll contact

Falcon

ourselves.
Ours will not be on floats as of now but that could change.
Thanks for the heads up!!!

Steve H
Moose 213 (maybe)

Steve,
It does include the hull for $70,000.00 value, with a $7,000.00

deductable.

Dale

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Al
& Deb Paxhia
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 8:23 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: insurane


Falcon was the ONLY Insurance Broker that could find a company that

would

insure my Moose on amphibs. That insurance is through the Seaplane

Pilots

Association.
Al
Moose, N526AP
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Kopff" <dkopff@earthlink.net>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 12:12 PM
Subject: insurane

Falcon isurance quoted me a price of $4532.00 for $1,000;000.00

liability,

$70,000.00 hull coverage ($7,000.00 deductable) and restricted to land
operations from 11-01 to 05-01,
Does anyone know of a better insurance company?

Dale
N295RT

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[Steve Halvorsen]

Dale:

Thanks a lot for the info.

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[Walter Klatt]

There was some discussion recently about insurance
costs. I just got mine again for the summer months. I
am now paying an additional 1050 for full hull
insurance with $1000 deductible on my Rebel amphib.
This is on top of my liability and passenger coverage
which I carry all year round. This is for $70,000 and
for 3 months only. Full hull coverage for the year
would be 4200. This is definitely more than last year,
though. Not sure if this is a good price, but if anyone
wants to know the company or more details, please
contact me off list.

Walter



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[Bob Patterson]

Hey, if it will help get the coverage, I can come down & help get
some of the flying done ..... Do they allow dual while flying off
the hours, like up here ??

....... bobp

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On Saturday 28 August 2004 05:50 pm, micreb@bellsouth.net wrote:
[quote]Tell you what...I thought I would never consider it, but it will probably
be without insurance! Nations Air waits till I

[Ryan Mowat]

Insurance,

Now we are talking the real meat of the float plane problem. How to get
insurance? I am just starting to look again for 2005. The first year
(2003) COPA decline me haul insurance because I needed 20 hours on type,
so thanks to a friend I went out and got 30 hours and tried again. When
I applied again they just flat out refused haul coverage - said they
were not comfortable with the Moose. In 2004 they said I now need 100
hours for haul insurance. So now that I have 200 hours of float time and
about the same on the moose and I will try again. Now that I have flow
2 years with no haul insurance and saved the 10K a year I might be
tempted to try my luck another year.

Gary, as far as check outs, I'd be happy to fly with anyone that is
crossing the country with a moose, or rebel. Might be a bit of a push
to say that a Moose is the same type as a rebel, sort of saying a Cessna
172 is the same as a Cessna 206, but if the insurance company says OK, I
would be happy to make the trip. I am commercial and IFR with over 500
hours.

Dick and Dave, glad to hear you guys are in the flight testing phase.
Sure is fun - CGASR flight testing phase is still on going after 170
hours, but it is really feeling good now, VG's and wing tips made a huge
improvement and increasing the up elevator to 28 degrees really helps
with water landings. The other change I've made was to re rig the flaps
so that I do not carry 1 notch of flap in flight - did this by adjusting
the ailerons and flaps down a bit - get rid of the reflex. This last
change made the plane really fly nice in cruise (on floats of course).
The other flight test change was CG - moved the air tank and battery
back in the tail so that I can fly 15" - 20" aft of leading edge most of
the time MT or Full.

Ryan Mowat


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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Garry Wright
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 8:27 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: new arrival

It appears that a commercial pilot with 500 hours and 100 hours on type
(whatever that means) is fine. I think type means amphibs in this case.
An instructor rating is not required. It is also possible to get special
approval for someone with a private but lots of hours on type for the
purpose in some cases. Haven't tried that yet though.






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[Mike Davis]

Insurance,

Now we are talking the real meat of the float plane problem. How to get
insurance? I am just starting to look again for 2005. The first year
(2003) COPA decline me haul insurance because I needed 20 hours on type,
so thanks to a friend I went out and got 30 hours and tried again. When
I applied again they just flat out refused haul coverage - said they
were not comfortable with the Moose. In 2004 they said I now need 100
hours for haul insurance. So now that I have 200 hours of float time and
about the same on the moose and I will try again. Now that I have flow
2 years with no haul insurance and saved the 10K a year I might be
tempted to try my luck another year.

$10K a years would replace a lot of bent skins!

Mike



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