Enlarging 5/16" cage holes

Tim Carter · Post by **Tim Carter** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:46 pm

I did. Great drawings Wray.

How did you do that?

Tim
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Wray Thompson · Post by **Wray Thompson** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:46 pm

<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> When assembling the main frame of the cage the manual indicates you'll have to drill out some 5/16" holes large enough to accommodate a socket to fit the head of the bolt as follows.

Figure 1
Step 3) On homebuilt models it will necessary to drill the four holes in the cage out to fit a socket onto the 5/16

Wray Thompson · Post by **Wray Thompson** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:46 pm

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Wayne G. O'Shea · Post by **Wayne G. O'Shea** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:46 pm

Wray, you have the right idea. Just enlarge the holes in the square tubes to access the "wishbone" bolts!

Also, you may want to put an access hole in the bottom skin of the cabin floor (outside as seat rails may be in the way inside). This will allow you to unbolt the unsightly wishbone hanging down (doing nothing but creating drag) when you are on 1800 floats. (the 1500 series use the wishbone for the cross cables however)

Blue skies,
Wayne

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To: rebelmail <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com (murphy-rebel@dcsol.com)>
Date: Monday, May 01, 2000 11:08 AM
Subject: Enlarging 5/16" cage holes

When assembling the main frame of the cage the manual indicates you'll have to drill out some 5/16" holes large enough to accommodate a socket to fit the head of the bolt as follows.

Figure 1
Step 3) On homebuilt models it will necessary to drill the four holes in the cage out to fit a socket onto the 5/16” bolt. See Figure 2.

Figure 2
I find figure 2) a bit confusing. It looks like I should be drilling out the gussets (Fus-2) but I think I should be doing the following.

Is drilling the leading edge of the front fus-5 and the trailing edge of the rear fus-5 what they are trying to say? Or if this is not the case can someone enlighten me?
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Mike Davis · Post by **Mike Davis** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:46 pm

You know Bob, one of these days you're going to have to download one of the
newer FREE mail programs that will allow you to view graphics in the
message! :-)

Even so, and I got the message as it should be, the archives are going to
show the same "gobbledegook" as Bob is seeing. This might be something to
considering before sending it as a post to the list. A link to a web page
with all you drawings on it will be preserved in the archives for everyone
to see later on.

Mike

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Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: Enlarging 5/16" cage holes

I got the whole message, Wray. Could you PLEASE turn off the HTML on
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Thanks !
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Bob Patterson · Post by **Bob Patterson** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:46 pm

I got the whole message, Wray. Could you PLEASE turn off the HTML on
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gobbledegook, with a few sentences embedded in it somewhere .....

Thanks !
....bobp

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Wayne G. O'Shea · Post by **Wayne G. O'Shea** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:46 pm

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Bob, I received (and answered) Wray's mail with no "gobbledegook"!

Wayne

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To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Monday, May 01, 2000 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: Enlarging 5/16" cage holes

I got the whole message, Wray. Could you PLEASE turn off the HTML on
whatever software you're using for email !! - I get a screen full of
gobbledegook, with a few sentences embedded in it somewhere .....

Thanks !
....bobp

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rebelair · Post by **rebelair** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:46 pm

Hi There

The message I received from Wray was a thing of beauty. No unnecessary
'stuff'.

Brian #328R

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 8:02 PM
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Subject: Re: Enlarging 5/16" cage holes

Bob, I received (and answered) Wray's mail with no "gobbledegook"!

Wayne

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Patterson <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Monday, May 01, 2000 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: Enlarging 5/16" cage holes

I got the whole message, Wray. Could you PLEASE turn off the HTML on
whatever software you're using for email !! - I get a screen full of
gobbledegook, with a few sentences embedded in it somewhere .....

Thanks !
....bobp

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Terry Dazey · Post by **Terry Dazey** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:46 pm

<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> Wray:
I received your post beautifully.
Thanks for ALL the information you, Bob P. and the rest of the group offer.
Terry Dazey
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Mike Davis · Post by **Mike Davis** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:46 pm

I would never claim that Micro$oft makes the best products, but then again,
the server running this list is NT and it has only had 2 woops in its
operation since I left it unattended in October of 98. Besides, I would
never be able to afford building my own airplane if people weren't willing
to pay someone like me descent money to make their "WinBlows" do what they
were told it would when they bought it! ;-) And I'll stand by the
statement that it will do all those things... of course, it'll never be a
Macintosh!

Enough about computers... I just staked out my 30x45 foot garage/shop where
I'll be building my rebel today. I'd like to start digging holes for posts
in the next couple of weeks (I'm building pole barn style), can any of you
engineering types tell me the spacing I'd need if I used 6x6 poles with a
4x6 top cap. Code here in Fairbanks requires a 50lbs snow load and 50mph
wind load. Just sketching it, I planned 6 poles a side, 9 feet apart, but
I'm not sure how to calculate the load requirements. I plan to use
manufactured trusses.

Thanks, Mike

At 10:00 PM 5/2/00 -0400, you wrote:

You've GOT IT !!! We LIKE stuff that works the way it's supposed
to - AND we want to be able to customize it if we want - and we don't
want to make a robber-baron richer !!
($150,000 US for a CessPool 172 !! or .... $600 for WinDoze NiceTry !!)
(ooopss ! forgot that marketing renamed it WinBlows 2000x)

:-) :-) :-)

.....bobp

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At 08:43 PM 5/2/00 -0500, you wrote:
JEEEZE, You guys are HARDCORE..... No factory built birds, no shrink
wrapped beta-ware..... ( ! ) I have seen the light !

: )

Louis & Kathy Young

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Patterson [mailto:bob.patterson@canrem.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 8:29 PM
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List
Subject: Re: Enlarging 5/16" cage holes

Trying to avoid that, Mike !! I won't run ANY MicroShaft junk if
I can help it .... Hoping to be completely Linux soon ! :-)

You're right, though - the problem is that MicroShaft ships
stuff with the defaults set to HTML, and <anything else> they can think
of to make people with other software think THEY have the problem, so
they'll switch to M$ ! It also doubles the amout of data to transfer,
slowing the web generally, ... again trying to make M$ networks look
better !

.....bobp

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Louis & Kathy Young · Post by **Louis & Kathy Young** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:46 pm

JEEEZE, You guys are HARDCORE..... No factory built birds, no shrink
wrapped beta-ware..... ( ! ) I have seen the light !

: )

Louis & Kathy Young

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Patterson [mailto:bob.patterson@canrem.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 8:29 PM
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List
Subject: Re: Enlarging 5/16" cage holes

Trying to avoid that, Mike !! I won't run ANY MicroShaft junk if
I can help it .... Hoping to be completely Linux soon ! :-)

You're right, though - the problem is that MicroShaft ships
stuff with the defaults set to HTML, and <anything else> they can think
of to make people with other software think THEY have the problem, so
they'll switch to M$ ! It also doubles the amout of data to transfer,
slowing the web generally, ... again trying to make M$ networks look
better !

.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.----------------------------------

At 09:17 PM 5/1/00 -0800, you wrote:
You know Bob, one of these days you're going to have to download
one of the
newer FREE mail programs that will allow you to view graphics in the
message! :-)

Even so, and I got the message as it should be, the archives are going to
show the same "gobbledegook" as Bob is seeing. This might be
something to
considering before sending it as a post to the list. A link to
a web page
with all you drawings on it will be preserved in the archives
for everyone
to see later on.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Patterson <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: Enlarging 5/16" cage holes

I got the whole message, Wray. Could you PLEASE turn off
the HTML on
whatever software you're using for email !! - I get a screen full of
gobbledegook, with a few sentences embedded in it somewhere .....

Thanks !
....bobp

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Bob Patterson · Post by **Bob Patterson** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:46 pm

Trying to avoid that, Mike !! I won't run ANY MicroShaft junk if
I can help it .... Hoping to be completely Linux soon ! :-)

You're right, though - the problem is that MicroShaft ships
stuff with the defaults set to HTML, and <anything else> they can think
of to make people with other software think THEY have the problem, so
they'll switch to M$ ! It also doubles the amout of data to transfer,
slowing the web generally, ... again trying to make M$ networks look
better !

.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.----------------------------------
At 09:17 PM 5/1/00 -0800, you wrote:

You know Bob, one of these days you're going to have to download one of the
newer FREE mail programs that will allow you to view graphics in the
message! :-)

Even so, and I got the message as it should be, the archives are going to
show the same "gobbledegook" as Bob is seeing. This might be something to
considering before sending it as a post to the list. A link to a web page
with all you drawings on it will be preserved in the archives for everyone
to see later on.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Patterson <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: Enlarging 5/16" cage holes

I got the whole message, Wray. Could you PLEASE turn off the HTML on
whatever software you're using for email !! - I get a screen full of
gobbledegook, with a few sentences embedded in it somewhere .....

Thanks !
....bobp

---------------------------orig.---------------------------------------
At 10:12 AM 5/1/00 -0400, you wrote:
<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html>
When I sent out the above message all I got back was a blank page 
...did anyone get anything more than that?
Wray Thompson wrote:
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<pre WRAP>Your following message has been delivered to the 155 members of
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</blockquote>

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Bob Patterson · Post by **Bob Patterson** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:46 pm

You've GOT IT !!! We LIKE stuff that works the way it's supposed
to - AND we want to be able to customize it if we want - and we don't
want to make a robber-baron richer !!
($150,000 US for a CessPool 172 !! or .... $600 for WinDoze NiceTry !!)
(ooopss ! forgot that marketing renamed it WinBlows 2000x)

:-) :-) :-)

.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.------------------------------------
At 08:43 PM 5/2/00 -0500, you wrote:

JEEEZE, You guys are HARDCORE..... No factory built birds, no shrink
wrapped beta-ware..... ( ! ) I have seen the light !

: )

Louis & Kathy Young

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Patterson [mailto:bob.patterson@canrem.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 8:29 PM
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List
Subject: Re: Enlarging 5/16" cage holes

Trying to avoid that, Mike !! I won't run ANY MicroShaft junk if
I can help it .... Hoping to be completely Linux soon ! :-)

You're right, though - the problem is that MicroShaft ships
stuff with the defaults set to HTML, and <anything else> they can think
of to make people with other software think THEY have the problem, so
they'll switch to M$ ! It also doubles the amout of data to transfer,
slowing the web generally, ... again trying to make M$ networks look
better !

.....bobp

-------------------------------orig.----------------------------------
At 09:17 PM 5/1/00 -0800, you wrote:
You know Bob, one of these days you're going to have to download
one of the
newer FREE mail programs that will allow you to view graphics in the
message! :-)

Even so, and I got the message as it should be, the archives are going to
show the same "gobbledegook" as Bob is seeing. This might be
something to
considering before sending it as a post to the list. A link to
a web page
with all you drawings on it will be preserved in the archives
for everyone
to see later on.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Patterson <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: Enlarging 5/16" cage holes

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Mike Davis · Post by **Mike Davis** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:46 pm

Thanks, I guess I was pretty close then... I actually intended to use 6x6
post on 9" centers.

Mike

At 08:27 PM 5/3/00 -0400, you wrote:

MIKE
In the upper midwest pole barns are built with 4/6 post approx. 9' on center
with siding stringers 4' on center with a 2/6 notched in on edge for a top
plate. Trussed roofs, trusses 4' on center with 2/4 perlins 4' on center for
the roof. Trusses pitch usually 4/12.
Phil&Lisa Smith #460 N414D
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LisaFly99 · Post by **LisaFly99** » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:46 pm

MIKE
In the upper midwest pole barns are built with 4/6 post approx. 9' on center
with siding stringers 4' on center with a 2/6 notched in on edge for a top
plate. Trussed roofs, trusses 4' on center with 2/4 perlins 4' on center for
the roof. Trusses pitch usually 4/12.
Phil&Lisa Smith #460 N414D
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