Groos weight increase

[Robin Dyck]

Hello Al,

I apologize but an error was made in the email I sent you regarding
gross weight increase.
It should have read,

To whom it may concern,

Murphy Aircraft Mfg. Ltd. approves a 5% gross weight increase on floats
for all aircraft manufactured by Murphy.

Robin Dyck
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Alan Hepburn
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 6:00 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Factory Approval for Elite Elevator Mod.

Elite Gross Weight etc.Elitists:

I believe this is the first time it's been in print. Just in time for
my final inspection.

Thanks to Sean White and Robin Dyck.

Al Hepburn

----- Original Message -----
From: Hepburn, Alan
To: 'weebee1@sympatico.ca' ; 'ahepburn@renc.igs.net'
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 2:31 PM
Subject: FW: Elite Gross Weight etc.



-----Original Message-----
From: Murtech Mailbox [mailto:murtech@murphyair.com]
Sent: March 8, 2005 1:54 PM
To: Hepburn, Alan
Subject: RE: Elite Gross Weight etc.


To whom it may concern,



Murphy Aircraft Mfg. Ltd. approves a 5% gross weight increase for all
aircraft models manufactured by Murphy.



To reduce the elevator pitch sensitivity of the Elite it has been tested

and approved to reduce the width of the aerodynamic balances by a
maximum of 4 inches at each end of the elevator. This in effect will
reduce the total elevator span to not less than 102 inches.

The mass balance of the elevator must be maintained at not less than
75%.



Robin Dyck




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From: Hepburn, Alan [mailto:hepburna@aecl.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 11:30 AM
To: Murtech Mailbox
Cc: weebee1@sympatico.ca
Subject: Elite Gross Weight etc.



Robin:

Futher to our telephone conversation, please provide some kind of
written evidence confirming design agreement with as high a gross weight

as you feel comfortable with for this airplane on floats. I trust you
will be able to at least endorse the 5% increase for floats to 1890 lbs,

but anything more would be greatly appreciated. When you apply the
formulae in the CARS, in comes out to almost 2200 lbs, as I recollect.
That would be beautiful!

Also, something in writing confiming design agreement with the reduced
span spades on the elevator would be good to have on hand for my final
inspection. I did put in some doublers under the skins and on the tip
ribs to stiffen up the narrower spades, as this seemed prudent. There
are a couple of pictures on the wildcat BBS (www.dcsol.com).

Al Hepburn





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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

I knew that 's what you meant Robin !! Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robin Dyck" <rdyck@murphyair.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 2:03 PM
Subject: Groos weight increase

Hello Al,

I apologize but an error was made in the email I sent you regarding
gross weight increase.
It should have read,

To whom it may concern,

Murphy Aircraft Mfg. Ltd. approves a 5% gross weight increase on floats
for all aircraft manufactured by Murphy.

Robin Dyck
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Alan Hepburn
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 6:00 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Factory Approval for Elite Elevator Mod.

Elite Gross Weight etc.Elitists:

I believe this is the first time it's been in print. Just in time for
my final inspection.

Thanks to Sean White and Robin Dyck.

Al Hepburn

----- Original Message -----
From: Hepburn, Alan
To: 'weebee1@sympatico.ca' ; 'ahepburn@renc.igs.net'
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 2:31 PM
Subject: FW: Elite Gross Weight etc.



-----Original Message-----
From: Murtech Mailbox [mailto:murtech@murphyair.com]
Sent: March 8, 2005 1:54 PM
To: Hepburn, Alan
Subject: RE: Elite Gross Weight etc.


To whom it may concern,



Murphy Aircraft Mfg. Ltd. approves a 5% gross weight increase for all
aircraft models manufactured by Murphy.



To reduce the elevator pitch sensitivity of the Elite it has been tested

and approved to reduce the width of the aerodynamic balances by a
maximum of 4 inches at each end of the elevator. This in effect will
reduce the total elevator span to not less than 102 inches.

The mass balance of the elevator must be maintained at not less than
75%.



Robin Dyck




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From: Hepburn, Alan [mailto:hepburna@aecl.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 11:30 AM
To: Murtech Mailbox
Cc: weebee1@sympatico.ca
Subject: Elite Gross Weight etc.



Robin:

Futher to our telephone conversation, please provide some kind of
written evidence confirming design agreement with as high a gross weight

as you feel comfortable with for this airplane on floats. I trust you
will be able to at least endorse the 5% increase for floats to 1890 lbs,

but anything more would be greatly appreciated. When you apply the
formulae in the CARS, in comes out to almost 2200 lbs, as I recollect.
That would be beautiful!

Also, something in writing confiming design agreement with the reduced
span spades on the elevator would be good to have on hand for my final
inspection. I did put in some doublers under the skins and on the tip
ribs to stiffen up the narrower spades, as this seemed prudent. There
are a couple of pictures on the wildcat BBS (www.dcsol.com).

Al Hepburn





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[Mike Davis]

----- Original Message -----

Hello Al,

I apologize but an error was made in the email I sent you regarding
gross weight increase.
It should have read,

To whom it may concern,

Murphy Aircraft Mfg. Ltd. approves a 5% gross weight increase on floats
for all aircraft manufactured by Murphy.

Robin Dyck

That's what I get for now reading the rest of the messages before asking a
question!

Mike
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[Alan Hepburn]

Yes, the original letter made sense in the context of my enquiry, but it's
better to be precise about these things.

Next thing, somebody'll ask how small can the floats be and still count as
floats? The answer would be "big enough to allow the airplane to take off
and land on water".

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Davis" <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: Groos weight increase

----- Original Message -----

Hello Al,

I apologize but an error was made in the email I sent you regarding
gross weight increase.
It should have read,

To whom it may concern,

Murphy Aircraft Mfg. Ltd. approves a 5% gross weight increase on floats
for all aircraft manufactured by Murphy.

Robin Dyck

That's what I get for now reading the rest of the messages before asking a
question!

Mike
195SR




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[Drew Dalgleish]

Bummer I already calculated my new gross and was wondering how many hoops
TC would make me jump through.

At 11:03 AM 3/9/2005 -0800, you wrote:

Hello Al,

I apologize but an error was made in the email I sent you regarding
gross weight increase.
It should have read,

To whom it may concern,

Murphy Aircraft Mfg. Ltd. approves a 5% gross weight increase on floats
for all aircraft manufactured by Murphy.

Robin Dyck
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Alan Hepburn
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 6:00 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Factory Approval for Elite Elevator Mod.

Elite Gross Weight etc.Elitists:

I believe this is the first time it's been in print. Just in time for
my final inspection.

Thanks to Sean White and Robin Dyck.

Al Hepburn

----- Original Message -----
From: Hepburn, Alan
To: 'weebee1@sympatico.ca' ; 'ahepburn@renc.igs.net'
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 2:31 PM
Subject: FW: Elite Gross Weight etc.



-----Original Message-----
From: Murtech Mailbox [mailto:murtech@murphyair.com]
Sent: March 8, 2005 1:54 PM
To: Hepburn, Alan
Subject: RE: Elite Gross Weight etc.


To whom it may concern,



Murphy Aircraft Mfg. Ltd. approves a 5% gross weight increase for all
aircraft models manufactured by Murphy.



To reduce the elevator pitch sensitivity of the Elite it has been tested

and approved to reduce the width of the aerodynamic balances by a
maximum of 4 inches at each end of the elevator. This in effect will
reduce the total elevator span to not less than 102 inches.

The mass balance of the elevator must be maintained at not less than
75%.



Robin Dyck




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From: Hepburn, Alan [mailto:hepburna@aecl.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 11:30 AM
To: Murtech Mailbox
Cc: weebee1@sympatico.ca
Subject: Elite Gross Weight etc.



Robin:

Futher to our telephone conversation, please provide some kind of
written evidence confirming design agreement with as high a gross weight

as you feel comfortable with for this airplane on floats. I trust you
will be able to at least endorse the 5% increase for floats to 1890 lbs,

but anything more would be greatly appreciated. When you apply the
formulae in the CARS, in comes out to almost 2200 lbs, as I recollect.
That would be beautiful!

Also, something in writing confiming design agreement with the reduced
span spades on the elevator would be good to have on hand for my final
inspection. I did put in some doublers under the skins and on the tip
ribs to stiffen up the narrower spades, as this seemed prudent. There
are a couple of pictures on the wildcat BBS (www.dcsol.com).

Al Hepburn





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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Letter for 5% on the Rebel had been out for many many moons Drew (1730lb
when on floats...if actually a 1650lb version of the wheeled airplane)! You
can however pick any weight you are comfortable with and see if Juniper at
TC will go for it. TC on the West coast seems very open to upgross...whether
it be safe or not. I am not endorsing doing anything above the 1730 MAM
weight, just know it has been done many times to make the airplane "ramp"
legal .....for how many have been flying the Rebel for years.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: Groos weight increase

Bummer I already calculated my new gross and was wondering how many hoops
TC would make me jump through.

At 11:03 AM 3/9/2005 -0800, you wrote:

Hello Al,

I apologize but an error was made in the email I sent you regarding
gross weight increase.
It should have read,

To whom it may concern,

Murphy Aircraft Mfg. Ltd. approves a 5% gross weight increase on floats
for all aircraft manufactured by Murphy.

Robin Dyck
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Alan Hepburn
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 6:00 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Factory Approval for Elite Elevator Mod.

Elite Gross Weight etc.Elitists:

I believe this is the first time it's been in print. Just in time for
my final inspection.

Thanks to Sean White and Robin Dyck.

Al Hepburn

----- Original Message -----
From: Hepburn, Alan
To: 'weebee1@sympatico.ca' ; 'ahepburn@renc.igs.net'
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 2:31 PM
Subject: FW: Elite Gross Weight etc.



-----Original Message-----
From: Murtech Mailbox [mailto:murtech@murphyair.com]
Sent: March 8, 2005 1:54 PM
To: Hepburn, Alan
Subject: RE: Elite Gross Weight etc.


To whom it may concern,



Murphy Aircraft Mfg. Ltd. approves a 5% gross weight increase for all
aircraft models manufactured by Murphy.



To reduce the elevator pitch sensitivity of the Elite it has been tested

and approved to reduce the width of the aerodynamic balances by a
maximum of 4 inches at each end of the elevator. This in effect will
reduce the total elevator span to not less than 102 inches.

The mass balance of the elevator must be maintained at not less than
75%.



Robin Dyck




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From: Hepburn, Alan [mailto:hepburna@aecl.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 11:30 AM
To: Murtech Mailbox
Cc: weebee1@sympatico.ca
Subject: Elite Gross Weight etc.



Robin:

Futher to our telephone conversation, please provide some kind of
written evidence confirming design agreement with as high a gross weight

as you feel comfortable with for this airplane on floats. I trust you
will be able to at least endorse the 5% increase for floats to 1890 lbs,

but anything more would be greatly appreciated. When you apply the
formulae in the CARS, in comes out to almost 2200 lbs, as I recollect.
That would be beautiful!

Also, something in writing confiming design agreement with the reduced
span spades on the elevator would be good to have on hand for my final
inspection. I did put in some doublers under the skins and on the tip
ribs to stiffen up the narrower spades, as this seemed prudent. There
are a couple of pictures on the wildcat BBS (www.dcsol.com).

Al Hepburn





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[Drew Dalgleish]

I'm already at 1730 on floats. I was just hoping for more. ;) Of course
then I'd really need an 0-360 just to get off the water.

At 07:35 PM 3/9/2005 -0500, you wrote:

Letter for 5% on the Rebel had been out for many many moons Drew (1730lb
when on floats...if actually a 1650lb version of the wheeled airplane)! You
can however pick any weight you are comfortable with and see if Juniper at
TC will go for it. TC on the West coast seems very open to upgross...whether
it be safe or not. I am not endorsing doing anything above the 1730 MAM
weight, just know it has been done many times to make the airplane "ramp"
legal .....for how many have been flying the Rebel for years.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Dalgleish" <drewjan@cabletv.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: Groos weight increase

Bummer I already calculated my new gross and was wondering how many hoops
TC would make me jump through.

At 11:03 AM 3/9/2005 -0800, you wrote:

Hello Al,

I apologize but an error was made in the email I sent you regarding
gross weight increase.
It should have read,

To whom it may concern,

Murphy Aircraft Mfg. Ltd. approves a 5% gross weight increase on floats
for all aircraft manufactured by Murphy.

Robin Dyck
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Alan Hepburn
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 6:00 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Factory Approval for Elite Elevator Mod.

Elite Gross Weight etc.Elitists:

I believe this is the first time it's been in print. Just in time for
my final inspection.

Thanks to Sean White and Robin Dyck.

Al Hepburn

----- Original Message -----
From: Hepburn, Alan
To: 'weebee1@sympatico.ca' ; 'ahepburn@renc.igs.net'
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 2:31 PM
Subject: FW: Elite Gross Weight etc.



-----Original Message-----
From: Murtech Mailbox [mailto:murtech@murphyair.com]
Sent: March 8, 2005 1:54 PM
To: Hepburn, Alan
Subject: RE: Elite Gross Weight etc.


To whom it may concern,



Murphy Aircraft Mfg. Ltd. approves a 5% gross weight increase for all
aircraft models manufactured by Murphy.



To reduce the elevator pitch sensitivity of the Elite it has been tested

and approved to reduce the width of the aerodynamic balances by a
maximum of 4 inches at each end of the elevator. This in effect will
reduce the total elevator span to not less than 102 inches.

The mass balance of the elevator must be maintained at not less than
75%.



Robin Dyck




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From: Hepburn, Alan [mailto:hepburna@aecl.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 11:30 AM
To: Murtech Mailbox
Cc: weebee1@sympatico.ca
Subject: Elite Gross Weight etc.



Robin:

Futher to our telephone conversation, please provide some kind of
written evidence confirming design agreement with as high a gross weight

as you feel comfortable with for this airplane on floats. I trust you
will be able to at least endorse the 5% increase for floats to 1890 lbs,

but anything more would be greatly appreciated. When you apply the
formulae in the CARS, in comes out to almost 2200 lbs, as I recollect.
That would be beautiful!

Also, something in writing confiming design agreement with the reduced
span spades on the elevator would be good to have on hand for my final
inspection. I did put in some doublers under the skins and on the tip
ribs to stiffen up the narrower spades, as this seemed prudent. There
are a couple of pictures on the wildcat BBS (www.dcsol.com).

Al Hepburn





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