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[Mike Davis]

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All,

While we are awaiting our rebel kit we are trying to "tool up". We have our
bench built and are getting ready to put in an order at Aircraft Spruce for
some tools. Some questions:

1. Does anyone have specific Aircraft spruce part numbers for:
a. Pneumatic riviter w/die sets?
b. Dimple tools
c. Bucking bars.

2. Amount of clecos to order (all 3 sizes)!

AS&S is way cheaper than other places I found but I want to make sure I
order the right tools so we can START! Being brand new to Metal airplanes
makes looking through the catalog pretty confusing. If there is anymore
last chance advise PLEASE feel free to vent it out!

B,B&R Amendala
Rebel kit#669
Olympia, WA


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Hi Ryan:

If you are building a standard Rebel, there will be no need for a rivet set,
dies and bucking bars. I don't know if this is a tool requirement on the
Rebel Elite and Super Rebel.

Nonetheless, I bought a complete set from ATS for about $200. Included gun,
dies, bars, regulator, springs, etc. and a carry case. I have used it
twice, and that was on my Cub.

www.aircraft-tool.com

You can get a complete set of the best stainless dimple dies and squeezer
from

www.airbolt.com

I have 350-400 ea. 3/32" and 1/8" and about 50 3/16" full length, about 50
ea. 3/32", 1/8" and 3/16" short length, and 20 mid-reach spring clamps (a
must). I used most of the full length up at once on the wings, because I
built farther in clecos than the manual calls for. this is a good thing as
far as I'm concerned, because if you rivet when the manual tells you to, you
will find yourself removing rivets for one reason or another.

Hope that helps.

Tim
#438R


-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Amendala [mailto:longpup@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 12:35 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: New Builder questions


All,

While we are awaiting our rebel kit we are trying to "tool up". We have our
bench built and are getting ready to put in an order at Aircraft Spruce for
some tools. Some questions:

1. Does anyone have specific Aircraft spruce part numbers for:
a. Pneumatic riviter w/die sets?
b. Dimple tools
c. Bucking bars.

2. Amount of clecos to order (all 3 sizes)!

AS&S is way cheaper than other places I found but I want to make sure I
order the right tools so we can START! Being brand new to Metal airplanes
makes looking through the catalog pretty confusing. If there is anymore
last chance advise PLEASE feel free to vent it out!

B,B&R Amendala
Rebel kit#669
Olympia, WA


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You could do a LOT worse than ordering the BASIC TOOL KIT from Murphy !!
They give you all the basic tools, and enough clecoes to get started...
including a set of dimple dies.

Otherwise, you may end up buying stuff you can't use - you DO NOT need
the type of rivetter that uses dies, NOR bucking bars !! The Rebel is built
with AVEX blind rivets - they are PULLED rivets, which you can drive by
yourself - you don't need someone to buck them.

BTW, have you checked USA Tools, or Cleaveland Tools ??


......bobp

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At 12:35 PM 9/7/99 PDT, you wrote:

All,

While we are awaiting our rebel kit we are trying to "tool up". We have

our

bench built and are getting ready to put in an order at Aircraft Spruce for
some tools. Some questions:

1. Does anyone have specific Aircraft spruce part numbers for:
a. Pneumatic riviter w/die sets?
b. Dimple tools
c. Bucking bars.

2. Amount of clecos to order (all 3 sizes)!

AS&S is way cheaper than other places I found but I want to make sure I
order the right tools so we can START! Being brand new to Metal airplanes
makes looking through the catalog pretty confusing. If there is anymore
last chance advise PLEASE feel free to vent it out!

B,B&R Amendala
Rebel kit#669
Olympia, WA


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.. Pneumatic riviter Harbor Freight #00167-3AEA
$39.95 1800-423-2567 ( free shipping if over $50) www.harborfreight.com
.. Dimple tools Murphy less than $10.00 I think
Bucking bars. Not needed

Chuck Bailey
R176


----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Amendala <longpup@hotmail.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 12:35 PM
Subject: New Builder questions

All,

While we are awaiting our rebel kit we are trying to "tool up". We have

our

bench built and are getting ready to put in an order at Aircraft Spruce

for

some tools. Some questions:

1. Does anyone have specific Aircraft spruce part numbers for:
a. Pneumatic riviter w/die sets?
b. Dimple tools
c. Bucking bars.

2. Amount of clecos to order (all 3 sizes)!

AS&S is way cheaper than other places I found but I want to make sure I
order the right tools so we can START! Being brand new to Metal airplanes
makes looking through the catalog pretty confusing. If there is anymore
last chance advise PLEASE feel free to vent it out!

B,B&R Amendala
Rebel kit#669
Olympia, WA


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Ryan:

After ordering my kit in July 99, I interviewed some local Rebel builde=

rs to

get some ideas on what tools and equipment were required. After all not=

es

were taken, I decided to make a simple "equipment needed" spread sheet =

in

Excel to sort out the best prices available from the best supplier.

As progress continues on my bomber, I may find that I need more stuff o=

r say

to myself..."dang, why did I buy that tool?".

Most of these tools are new, as my previous aircraft building project
required different type of assortment. Here is a list of major tools I=

came

up with for this project:

Hand Riveter
Pro-Snip or Weiss Cutters (left hand)
Pro-Snip or Weiss Cutters (right hand)
Clecos: 400@ 3/32
Clecos: 400@ 1/8
Clecos: 50@ 3/16
Clecos Side Clamp: 6 @ 1/2
Clecos Side Clamp: 6@ 1
90 degree Drill (Tight Fit kit)
Digital Level 24" (SmartTool)
Rivet Spacer
Edge Marker Block
Dimple tool
Pop Rivet Dimplers: 3/32
Pop Rivet Dimplers: 1/8
Fluting Pliers (plier type)
Fluting Pliers (vice grip type)
Stretcher/Shrinker
Drill Press
Digital Calipers
Band Saw
Misc. Drill bits
Misc. Files
Basic hand tools etc.

When I was building my Long-EZ, I did commerce almost exclusively with
Aircraft Spruce. Nowadays with the business competition environment and=

tight

money, it pays (literally) to shop around.

Here are some suppliers I conjured up (I know there are more, but I did=

n=92t

want to make it my life=92s work).

Remember to get current prices and shipping charges. And search the web.
(Note: The below also have email addresses):

Aircraft Spruce & Specialty Co. 1-800-824-1930 http://www.aircraft?spru=

ce.com

Aircraft Tool Supply Co. 1-800-248-0638 http://www.aircraft-tool.com
Avery Tool Co.
Brown Aviation Tool Supply 1-800-587-3883 http://www.browntool.com
Chief Aircraft 1-800-447-3408 http://www.chiefaircraft.com
Grizzly Industrial 1-800-523-4777 http://www.grizzlyindustrial.com
Harbor Freight Co. 1-800-423-2567 http://www.harborfreight.com
Murphy Aircraft Co. 604-792-5855 http://www.murphyair.com
Tool Crib 1-800-358-3096 http://www.toolcribofthenorth.com
Wicks Aircraft Supply 1-800-221-9425 http://www.wicks.com/aircraft

Electronic Proportion Scale www.balances.com
Reamers www.kbctools.com
Dimpled Nutplates 800-736-4123 www.airbolt.com

I hope this helps in your quest for building the perfect Rebel. Have a =

great

time building and keep us posted on your progress.

Blue Skies,

Terry Dazey
Long-EZ N86TD
Murphy Rebel #662

PS. We also have a Pacific Northwest Rebel Builders Web Site that Chuck B=
ailey
and Chuck Scourpa started (they are going to have plenty of pictures
eventually). One of the two Chucks (is that Chuck squared?) can fill you =
in on
how to log on etc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Amendala [mailto:longpup@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 12:35 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: New Builder questions

All,

While we are awaiting our rebel kit we are trying to "tool up". We =

have

our
bench built and are getting ready to put in an order at Aircraft Spr=

uce

for
some tools.

<snipped some stuff that has already been answered>

B,B&R Amendala
Rebel kit#669
Olympia, WA

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[Joel Jacobs]

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: New Builder questions

Digital Calipers

I find that if I get the cheap $20 dial calipers I get much less upset when
I drop them on the cement floor...

Joel

[Terry Dazey]

Joel:

Do you drop the calipers because you are holding them with one hand and
scratching your head with the other while trying to determine which teeny
line
the tiny pointer is pointing to? =:-)

We could probably start a pretty good dialogue if I said something like
"analog gages in the cockpit are best ...and discrete discontinuous digital
data displays everywhere else". But then I would be hypocritical, because I
have several (not flight critical) digital gages in my Long-EZ instrument
panel .... a clock, stereo and OAT readout.

Blue Skies,

Terry Dazey
Long-EZ N86TD
Rebel #662

Joel Jacobs wrote:

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Digital Calipers

I find that if I get the cheap $20 dial calipers I get much less upset

when

I drop them on the cement floor...

Joel

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[Charles Skorupa]

The address is:

http://beta.communities.msn.com/NWRebel ... alAircraft

It is an experiment just getting started and is not meant to replace this
forum. Don't know if it will survive or not. Just playing around with MSN
Communities. For now the emphasis is on posting photos and adding a little
dialog. All are welcome to join. I have a bunch of Elite phots yet to post
that may be of interest to the group.

Chuck Skorupa
Rebel Elite #500


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To: " (Murphy Rebel Builders List)" <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Subject: Re: New Builder questions
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 16:32:48 -0300

Terry, (Chuck)^2

What is the address of the new Rebel site??

Dave R

Terry Dazey wrote:

SNIP!

PS. We also have a Pacific Northwest Rebel Builders Web Site that Chuck

Bailey

and Chuck Scourpa started (they are going to have plenty of pictures
eventually). One of the two Chucks (is that Chuck squared?) can fill you

in on

how to log on etc.

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[Joel Jacobs]

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Joel:

Do you drop the calipers because you are holding them with one hand and
scratching your head with the other while trying to determine which teeny

line

the tiny pointer is pointing to? =:-)

No I don't have any problem reading it - and I gotta admit the digital ones
are great for relative measurements and in/mm conversions, but I have a
habit of laying them somewhere and forgetting about them until I move
something and hear the clink clink sound as they hit the floor. Then I
think 'sure am glad that wasn't a $100 digital' ;>)

Joel


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[Mike Davis]

Nice format! I like the fact that you can add pictures with descriptions...
you're likely to get a much bigger photo library when anyone can add a photo
themselves. I wish I knew how to develop the dynamic features like that...
I'll put a link to your site up on my Rebel site soon.

Mike

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From: Charles Skorupa <Chas@wa.freei.net>
To: Murphy Rebel Builders List <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: New Builder questions

The address is:

http://beta.communities.msn.com/NWRebel ... alAircraft

It is an experiment just getting started and is not meant to replace this
forum. Don't know if it will survive or not. Just playing around with

MSN

Communities. For now the emphasis is on posting photos and adding a

little

dialog. All are welcome to join. I have a bunch of Elite phots yet to

post

that may be of interest to the group.

Chuck Skorupa
Rebel Elite #500

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