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C&P Kucera

Composite floats

Post by C&P Kucera » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:46 pm

You are right, those Aircomps are heavy.
As far as weight gain goes I think it is mainly a problem with composites
containing balsa or foam cores. Hair cracks in the glass let water into the
core (my brother's racing Hobie Cat, his fifth now!!!). Fiberglass itself
also sucks up moisture but only when sitting in water a lot. With amphibs I
would be mostly out of water. Also, waxing the gelcoat regularly apparently
helps seal it and keep water out.
I would consider putting on ready made amphibs right away (...when I get the
fuse done, some day, 2002?,
f i n a l ly). The lighter the amphibs the better, I will not be going into
pewny ponds surrounded by 100 ft cliffs, but mostly Georgian Bay (if there
is any water left by the time I'm done), and I will probably try a light
engine. If you hear of any amphibs let me know at cpkucera@idirect.com

Now back to the shop!

Paul K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders List" <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: David Fife Wing Tips and composite stuff

Paul,
From what I've seen of the Aerocomp floats, they might be
reliable - like an anvil, with similar performance ! You should see
the original Aerocomp float promotional video - if it doesn't make
you seasick !! It shows a 200++ HP Aerocomp, lightly loaded, taking,
by their own count, OVER 50 (yes FIVE ZERO !!) seconds to get off the
water !!!!

A Rebel on Murphy 1800 Amphibs, at gross, can do that in about
14 seconds !!! ========

Any composite float will gain weight over time. Ask anyone who
races sailboats - the top performers are usually sold after a couple
of seasons, because they're heavier !

.....bobp
(just a bit prejudiced ;-) )

-----------------------------orig.----------------------------------------
-
At 10:55 PM 5/3/00 -0400, you wrote:
Hi David.
I have seen you wing tips and tail tips and they are tops. Unfortunately
I
have already burned the time building the Murphy ones but I am still
tempted
with your wing tips.
What is your opinion on composite floats? I've come across people who
would
not touch them, yet others who love them (less drag, no leaks). I'm sure
that quality and expertise have something to do with it. I am not too
crazy
about the looks and the gear on the Aerocomp floats but apparently they
are
quite reliable.
www.slipstreamind.com just recently launched 1600 amphib composites made
with balsa core. They only weigh 165 lbs. I know cracks can develop and
the
balsa suck up water and end up heavy and weak. But can this be overcome
in
any way?
Have you ever or would you consider to build composite floats?

Regards

Paul Kucera
Streetsville,
Ontario

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Fife" <aircrafttips@yahoo.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 1999 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: David Fife Tail and Wing Tips

To all Rebel Builders.

I am the person that produces the Hoerner Tips along
with one piece elevator/rudder tips. You no longer
need to spend countless hours making fiberglass parts
for this great aircraft. I am a small business. I
fully intend to expand my business and supply addl
parts to other aircraft as I expand. My hobby is
turning into a full time business. I started this on
a dare from Curt Martin and Bill Kelly here in
Michigan. I love this aircraft. I hope to some day
own/build one. Well enough of my dreams.

The parts that I produce are done so to save you time.
Most of you love to work with aluminum but do not like
working with fiberglass, I do. It is great to create.
Well, I created molds for a Hoerner style tip to fit
the Rebel. Thanks goes to Bob Patterson and the
builders up in Brampton, Ontario, Canada for their
insistance. Curt Martin and our late friend, Bill
Kelly really apreciated the work I did for them. I
also produce a one piece tip to fit the elevator and
rudder, and one addl part, a fairing to cover the
control rod to the flapperons.
Well, the cost is what everyone will eventually ask of
me. The Hoerner tips cost $520.00 per set, the tail
tips are $195.00 per set of 3, and the fairing is
$25.00. Shipping is extra.

Please send me questions via E-mail or call me at home
in the evening. You can see my parts on Wray
Thompsons wab page, Thanks to Wray for posting them.

Thanks to all for the interest. If any of you have
suggestions for other parts, for Rebel or others, feel
free to note or call me. Any one interested in
cowlings, one piece swing up doors, cargo pod, wheel
pants, dorsil fins or what ever, let me know.

Dave Fife
3D Composite Aircraft Parts, Inc.
1345 Merkle St.
Ortonville, MI. 48462
Phone- 248-627-4367
Fax -248-627-7234

E-mail aircrafttips@yahoo.com, a web sit is in the
future, early 2000.

Thanks again to all.


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Sincerely,

David K. Fife
3D Composite Aircraft Parts Inc.
1345 Merkle St.
Ortonville, MI. 48462
Phone 248-627-4367
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Bob Patterson

Composite floats

Post by Bob Patterson » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:46 pm

Did you know that the Murphy factory now sells completely built
amphibs ??

The 1800 Amphib kit is $11,180 CDN, and $5,700 extra if you
want them completely built, with solid rivets. Delivery is about
10 months right now, but that will improve.

(In US Dollars, that's $7,825 US plus $4,000 US ) A REAL
bargain !!

Net weight increase is 253 lb. - if you kept it really light,
and used 1500 Amphibs, the extra weight is only 230 lb. (just happen
to have a set of 1500 amphibs ..... ;-) )

You're right - even solid fibreglass soaks up water. Small
cracks let capillary action suck water in alongside the glass fibers,
then the Canadian freezing/thawing really expands the cracks, and
pretty soon you have a heavy, weakened structure. If you could figure
a way to get the water out, I suppose waxing the outside might help
keep it out for a while .... (rolling the floats into an oven for
a week ??? ;-) )

You would not believe how EASY the Rebel is to fly on Amphibs !!
It is just as stable as a good shopping cart !! Ridiculously easy to
land & taxi - even in strong winds (like 28 -> gusting 48 KT, at 45 degrees
cross wind !!!) ! Forget about tricycle gear, this is MUCH easier !! :-)
(once the brakes are properly broken in ...)
.....bobp

--------------------------orig.----------------------------------------
At 11:16 PM 5/4/00 -0400, you wrote:
You are right, those Aircomps are heavy.
As far as weight gain goes I think it is mainly a problem with composites
containing balsa or foam cores. Hair cracks in the glass let water into the
core (my brother's racing Hobie Cat, his fifth now!!!). Fiberglass itself
also sucks up moisture but only when sitting in water a lot. With amphibs I
would be mostly out of water. Also, waxing the gelcoat regularly apparently
helps seal it and keep water out.
I would consider putting on ready made amphibs right away (...when I get the
fuse done, some day, 2002?,
f i n a l ly). The lighter the amphibs the better, I will not be going into
pewny ponds surrounded by 100 ft cliffs, but mostly Georgian Bay (if there
is any water left by the time I'm done), and I will probably try a light
engine. If you hear of any amphibs let me know at cpkucera@idirect.com

Now back to the shop!

Paul K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders List" <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: David Fife Wing Tips and composite stuff

Paul,
From what I've seen of the Aerocomp floats, they might be
reliable - like an anvil, with similar performance ! You should see
the original Aerocomp float promotional video - if it doesn't make
you seasick !! It shows a 200++ HP Aerocomp, lightly loaded, taking,
by their own count, OVER 50 (yes FIVE ZERO !!) seconds to get off the
water !!!!

A Rebel on Murphy 1800 Amphibs, at gross, can do that in about
14 seconds !!! ========

Any composite float will gain weight over time. Ask anyone who
races sailboats - the top performers are usually sold after a couple
of seasons, because they're heavier !

.....bobp
(just a bit prejudiced ;-) )

-----------------------------orig.----------------------------------------
-
At 10:55 PM 5/3/00 -0400, you wrote:
Hi David.
I have seen you wing tips and tail tips and they are tops. Unfortunately
I
have already burned the time building the Murphy ones but I am still
tempted
with your wing tips.
What is your opinion on composite floats? I've come across people who
would
not touch them, yet others who love them (less drag, no leaks). I'm sure
that quality and expertise have something to do with it. I am not too
crazy
about the looks and the gear on the Aerocomp floats but apparently they
are
quite reliable.
www.slipstreamind.com just recently launched 1600 amphib composites made
with balsa core. They only weigh 165 lbs. I know cracks can develop and
the
balsa suck up water and end up heavy and weak. But can this be overcome
in
any way?
Have you ever or would you consider to build composite floats?

Regards

Paul Kucera
Streetsville,
Ontario

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Fife" <aircrafttips@yahoo.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 1999 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: David Fife Tail and Wing Tips

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C&P Kucera

Composite floats

Post by C&P Kucera » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:46 pm

Yes, thanks. I know about it and I may go for them if I don't find anything
lighter. I know they are light compared to certified. By the way, I saw some
EDO amphibs being serviced and I could not believe all those corroded gear
parts inside!!! No stainless!!! And $45K for that!!! There is something
wrong there. Paul


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders List" <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: Composite floats

Did you know that the Murphy factory now sells completely built
amphibs ??

The 1800 Amphib kit is $11,180 CDN, and $5,700 extra if you
want them completely built, with solid rivets. Delivery is about
10 months right now, but that will improve.

(In US Dollars, that's $7,825 US plus $4,000 US ) A REAL
bargain !!

Net weight increase is 253 lb. - if you kept it really light,
and used 1500 Amphibs, the extra weight is only 230 lb. (just happen
to have a set of 1500 amphibs ..... ;-) )

You're right - even solid fibreglass soaks up water. Small
cracks let capillary action suck water in alongside the glass fibers,
then the Canadian freezing/thawing really expands the cracks, and
pretty soon you have a heavy, weakened structure. If you could figure
a way to get the water out, I suppose waxing the outside might help
keep it out for a while .... (rolling the floats into an oven for
a week ??? ;-) )

You would not believe how EASY the Rebel is to fly on Amphibs !!
It is just as stable as a good shopping cart !! Ridiculously easy to
land & taxi - even in strong winds (like 28 -> gusting 48 KT, at 45
degrees
cross wind !!!) ! Forget about tricycle gear, this is MUCH easier !! :-)
(once the brakes are properly broken in ...)
.....bobp

--------------------------orig.----------------------------------------
At 11:16 PM 5/4/00 -0400, you wrote:
You are right, those Aircomps are heavy.
As far as weight gain goes I think it is mainly a problem with composites
containing balsa or foam cores. Hair cracks in the glass let water into
the
core (my brother's racing Hobie Cat, his fifth now!!!). Fiberglass itself
also sucks up moisture but only when sitting in water a lot. With amphibs
I
would be mostly out of water. Also, waxing the gelcoat regularly
apparently
helps seal it and keep water out.
I would consider putting on ready made amphibs right away (...when I get
the
fuse done, some day, 2002?,
f i n a l ly). The lighter the amphibs the better, I will not be going
into
pewny ponds surrounded by 100 ft cliffs, but mostly Georgian Bay (if
there
is any water left by the time I'm done), and I will probably try a light
engine. If you hear of any amphibs let me know at cpkucera@idirect.com

Now back to the shop!

Paul K.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: "Murphy Rebel Builders List" <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: David Fife Wing Tips and composite stuff

Paul,
From what I've seen of the Aerocomp floats, they might be
reliable - like an anvil, with similar performance ! You should see
the original Aerocomp float promotional video - if it doesn't make
you seasick !! It shows a 200++ HP Aerocomp, lightly loaded, taking,
by their own count, OVER 50 (yes FIVE ZERO !!) seconds to get off the
water !!!!

A Rebel on Murphy 1800 Amphibs, at gross, can do that in about
14 seconds !!! ========

Any composite float will gain weight over time. Ask anyone who
races sailboats - the top performers are usually sold after a couple
of seasons, because they're heavier !

.....bobp
(just a bit prejudiced ;-) )
-----------------------------orig.---------------------------------------
-
-
At 10:55 PM 5/3/00 -0400, you wrote:
Unfortunately
I
tempted
would
sure
crazy
they
are
made
and
the
overcome
in
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