almost done, too. He is now on his third fibreglass cowl version
with the bigger inlets for improved cooling. He has sunk many
kilo bucks into the design, mouldings and production equipment in
the hopes of selling a few to other Rebel/Elite builders that
want an alternative fibreglass cowl with the cooling problems
eliminated.
The 1120 Elite is Phil's, the ex Transport Canada guy. I can't
remember if you met him and saw his plane as well. This one is
pretty well done. Phil is a bit of a perfectionist and sent his
spring gear back to MAM to get straightened so he doesn't have to
use shims. Looks like a very well built and finished plane, and
he should be ready to fly soon. His battery is way into the back.
I can't remember the exact empty c of g, but it came out pretty
nice, I think around 11 or more.
Walter
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
N.Smith
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 1:46 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Empty weight for 1800 amphibs
Hi Walter
Was this Dennis's Elite we looked at back in August,
and still on wheels ?.
Sounds like he's not too far off being finished now.
All the photo's I took
of his and yours have proved a godsend as I work through mine.
I'm also interested where he ended up putting his
battery for trim ?
I'm still working around the cabin roof fitting .
Wings and outstanding bits
from MAM should be here in May sometime.
Thanks
Nigel
745E
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Walter Klatt
Sent: 26 February 2004 04:10
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Empty weight for 1800 amphibs
When I went to amphibs with mine I weighed my two bungee gear,
wheels and all, along with the tail wheel and the whole works
came out to 50 pounds. I believe the spring gear is 25 pounds
heavier, and more if using a non-MAM tail wheel.
I recall seeing an earlier weight on the 1800's at 224 net
increase, but it didn't say what gear. In any case, I
personally
wouldn't bet that Murphy really has a good handle on
this either.
There does appear to be 2 different skin sizes for the
1800's, so
that would certainly account for different weights by builders.
There is also probably a lot of builder weighing errors and the
use of "accounting" scales.
As an aside, I recently helped a local Elite builder do his
weight and balance, and it came in at 1120, and that is with an
0360.
Walter
-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Bob
Patterson
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 7:46 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Empty weight for 1800 amphibs
Hi Bruce !
As far as I know, the Murphy brochure WAS based on a
standard-gear
Rebel, so you're right - a smaller weight increase !
Although, the
spring gear Rebel would be likely about 20 lb. heavier
to start with,
than a standard gear, because of all those
doubler/trippler/octupler (!)
plates ... ;-) :-)
Just curious - how much do just the gear legs alone weigh ??
Axles, wheels, & tires would be the same on both
gears, so the legs
would be the only difference. Anybody know what just
the standard
gear legs weigh ?? I bet there's not a lot of
difference, if you
count in the center tubes & the bungees (or die springs) ....
suspect most of the weight increase is in the fuse beef-ups.
I <LOVE> Warren's answer !!! :-) Get a good accountant
(maybe ex-Enron ??) to find you a set of scales that give you
the answer you want !! ;-) :-) :-)
......bobp
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On Wednesday 25 February 2004 08:14 pm, you wrote:Rebel? Because if it is,Bobp
Is that a net 253 LB. Increase for a standard gearsmaller net increase asthat would mean a spring gear Rebel should have a
he isand then adding back theremoving gear that weighs more than the stock gear*------------------------------------------------------same in floats.
Bruce
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