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Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:23:06 -0400
From: ricker@dbis.ns.ca
To: murphy-rebel
Subject: Wet Tank Stringer Seal Angle Fittings
Hi Folks
A few questions about the wet wing of our Elite, Rebel builders, pls stay
identical.us, I believe you can help since the wing is supposed to be almost
Pro-SealWe are fabricating the angle fittings which are used to help make the
twoseals around the stringers & spar in the wet tank and have a question or
tank atabout their sizing etc.
1. The fitting type which is used at the inner bulkhead/root rib of the
thethe stringer locations, is it supposed to fit under the stringer (raise up
.062" fromstringer)? I have my doubts because this would raise the stringer by
skinthe tank skin leaving a big gap and probably a significant dip in the tank
awaywhen the rivets are pulled. Should this be cut away under the stringer?
2. Same sort of question at the outboard tank bulkhead/rib, when you cut
base sothe angle fitting for the "J" of the stringer, here do you cut away the
flangethe stringer stays in contact with the tank skin?
3. These angle pieces at the stringers seem oversize. They overlap the
theof the ribs they are mounted to and interfere with the ridges embossed in
there abulkhead/ribs. The hole positions given also don't seem to be right, is
ideagood reason for this or is this another case where the manual hints at the
MAMbut you are supposed to find your own solution? If it is correct I wish
frontwould say something in the manual about the reason........
4. As the angle pieces are defined in the manual, the ones which go in the
tankupper & lower corners of the bulkhead/ribs leave significant gap to the
againskin where they sit on the spar flanges, about the thickness of the spar,
asis there a reason or is it a case of make it fit yourself.
Thanks in advance,
Dave R.
Francine D.
Elite 583
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Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 17:53:45 -0900
From: mkimball@gci.net
To: murphy-rebel
Subject: RE: Wet Tank Stringer Seal Angle Fittings
My response would be that the little picture in the manual with the
dimensions of the gap seals around the stringers are barely even starting
points. My gap seals were all sorts of different sizes and shapes.
Whatever it took to cover the hole where the stringers pass the ribs. My
rivet locations for the gap seals were wherever it seemed to make the most
sense. I tried to make the flange on the gap seal meet the skin as best
served.possible but I'm not really certain what, if any, purpose the flange
haveThe whole idea is to seal the hole in the cutout of the rib. You also
onto dodge the rivets and whatever else gets in the way on the bottom skin
upthe outboard rib of the tank. Lots of trial and error fitting, trimming,
and refitting until you close the gap as best you can. Then, don't spare
the proseal. I have a pretty large dam around each of these areas. Goop
-where the top skin will meet, get that skin on, rivet, then turn the wing
upside down so any flow of the proseal won't flow away from what you are
trying to seal. Then you still have another chance to smear more goop
through the access plates. This is all from my Super Rebel. Probably
applies to the Elite.
Mike Kimball
SR#044
-----Original Message-----
From: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com [mailto:murphy-rebel@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
David Ricker
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 5:23 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Wet Tank Stringer Seal Angle Fittings
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Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:25:57 -0500
From: bob.patterson@canrem.com
To: murphy-rebel
Subject: Re: Wet Tank Stringer Seal Angle Fittings
Hi Dave !
You're right ! The object is to keep the stringers tight against
the tank skin. The fittings are just to reduce the size of the hole,
and any trimming needed is fine .... (and the lip can go inside
the rib flange, if necessary, or just cut away the base of the fitting)
Some builders have placed these fittings on <both> sides of
the ribs, filling the middle with ProSeal. (Fasten one side,
squeeze in ProSeal, then fasten other side - a big, sticky reverse
Oreo cookie !)
One caution - don't make the J openings fit too tightly -
you want some ProSeal to ooze out all around & bond to the stringer
and the fitting.
....bobp
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withAt 10:23 PM 2/24/02 -0400, you wrote:Hi Folks
A few questions about the wet wing of our Elite, Rebel builders, pls stay
identical.us, I believe you can help since the wing is supposed to be almost
Pro-SealWe are fabricating the angle fittings which are used to help make the
twoseals around the stringers & spar in the wet tank and have a question or
up thetank atabout their sizing etc.
1. The fitting type which is used at the inner bulkhead/root rib of thethe stringer locations, is it supposed to fit under the stringer (raise
.062"stringer)? I have my doubts because this would raise the stringer by
tank skinfromthe tank skin leaving a big gap and probably a significant dip in the
awaywhen the rivets are pulled. Should this be cut away under the stringer?
2. Same sort of question at the outboard tank bulkhead/rib, when you cut
base sothe angle fitting for the "J" of the stringer, here do you cut away the
flangethe stringer stays in contact with the tank skin?
3. These angle pieces at the stringers seem oversize. They overlap the
theof the ribs they are mounted to and interfere with the ridges embossed in
the ideathere abulkhead/ribs. The hole positions given also don't seem to be right, isgood reason for this or is this another case where the manual hints at
MAMbut you are supposed to find your own solution? If it is correct I wish
thewould say something in the manual about the reason........
4. As the angle pieces are defined in the manual, the ones which go in
tankfrontupper & lower corners of the bulkhead/ribs leave significant gap to the
againskin where they sit on the spar flanges, about the thickness of the spar,
---------- Digest Message #9 ----------is there a reason or is it a case of make it fit yourself.
Thanks in advance,
Dave R.
Francine D.
Elite 583
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:24:51 +1300
From: g.b.weck@xtra.co.nz
To: murphy-rebel
Subject: ZK-WEC 647R fly's
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Thanks for all the good wishes,
after a 40 minutes test fly on friday morning it was of to Sportavex
2002 at Matamata NZ SAA national flyin and guess what...we were judged
champion best all metal aircraft. And we were over the moon. Always
having been very proud of our aircraft we were still staggered to pick
up this award. Especially sweet as RV aircraft had won this for the
previous 7 years and were out there in force again. We will keep the
list informed on the test flying results as we work through the next 25
hours of flight. Attached are a couple of photos just to prove it flies
like a dream.
Regards
Graeme & Britta 647 R
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aircraft.---------- Digest Message #10 ----------
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:30:33 -0500
From: ob.johnson@sympatico.ca
To: murphy-rebel
Subject: Re: ZK-WEC 647R fly's
It is a beautiful looking aircraft, and I am sure it flies as good as it
looks. If you are interested, Murphy aircraft will send you a pair of real
nice "REBEL" decals for the fin if you want to promote the make of
I have them on my Rebel "652" and it adds a nice touch. Again, a great
looking machine.-Bob J.
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