US Sport Pilot regulations

[Legeorgen]

Wayne and Bobp,

That's OK, I wasn't offended or anything, Just maybe a little shocked at
your reactions. I total understand your frustration with the politics and
bureaucracy of the whole thing. We could probably do a better job of regulating
ourselves (LSA) in the US. :-)

Bruce




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[Mike Kimball]

It sounds like Canada has a great set of rules that I wish the USA had.
Best in the world? Sounds like the rules are equal to the ones I operated
under in Australia a few years ago. Even though I had an Australian Private
Pilot's License I still had to get 10 hours of instruction and obtain an
ultralight license. I think it takes 20 hours to get an ultralight license
if you don't already have a Private. Since many ultralights fly a lot
different than their larger cousins I did not mind the requirement for
instruction and another license. I'm curious. Is this the same in Canada?

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Bob
Patterson
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 10:19 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: US Sport Pilot regulations



Right on, Wayne !!

I'm a member of EAA, and enjoy Oshkosh & Sun 'n Fun, and think they
do a good job of dealing with the ridiculous bureaucracy of the FAA, and are
generally good for aviation in the USA.

However - Canada has always had THE best set of rules for light aviation
IN THE WORLD ! We've had the AULA (Advanced Ulralight Aircraft) category
for over 10 years ! This category gives us MORE than the Sport Category -
we don't even need a drivers licence - and was copied & mutilated to become
the foundation for Sport Category. The mutilation was, I believe, a
determined attempt to slow growth, and protect old line manufacturers.
All this ASTM junk IS causing manufacturers to approach the whole issue
with a LOT of caution - it will be VERY difficult to satisfy the rules !
The
SP licence will move quickly, but the aircraft it needs will likely be years
away !!

We've also had the Recreational Pilot Licence for many years - not the
overly restricted version used in the US, but a proven, practical licence
that
allows cross-country and passenger carrying in most light aircraft - even 4
seaters. (Only one passenger, though ....)

With OUR homebuilts, the REGISTERED OWNER, NOT JUST the BUILDER,
can do ALL MAINTENANCE ! Very reasonable, considering that no sane
person would want to fly in an unsafe aircraft, and the owners generally
know
more about their aircraft, and have more incentive to learn, than an AME who
has only worked on spam-cans !

ALL of these rules were arrived at through discussion with all concerned
parties, through CARAC, LAMAC, and RAA.

It seems that whenever the EAA come to Canada, they just irritate our
officials by trying to tell them how THEY think we ought to do things ! How
would the FAA react if WE went to Washington and told them WE had a
better idea ??!! We already have it better than ANY other country -
this kind of 'help' we don't need !!!

........bobp

-------------------------------orig.-------------------------
On Saturday 18 December 2004 01:16 pm, Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

Problem is it's a bunch of EAA hogwash! Not how it went, was not a meeting
requested by EAA and not what was supposed to be covered at this meeting.
They tied up the 2 day meeting presenting information that was pretty much
irrelevant or already know by all involved and had to be reminded that the
LSA for the USA was being based on our TP10141 that has been used for

many,

many years now in Canada for AULA's (advanced Ultralights). The problem
(for aircraft manufacturers) is they took our, simple 30 page, TP10141
document (orignally written by Chris Heintz) and added ~ 400 pages of ASTM
nonsense to it so the manufacturers have no flexibility what so ever to
what they manufacture.

Now they have to have another meeting to let our Light Aircraft
Manufactures Association present the proposal they have written up, to
Transport Canada, to start an entirely new (self regulated) category for
factory built aircraft. This is what was supposed to be covered at this
meeting and thanks to these outside sources trying to take the glory for
advancement in Canadian aviation we have been once again delayed for at
least 6 months.

Cheers,
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: <Legeorgen@aol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: US Sport Pilot regulations

I thought this might be of interest to our friends up North...



EAA Canadian Council Members, Transport Canada Discuss Sport
Pilot/Light-Sport Aircraft
(http://www.sportpilot.org/news/041208_c ... uncil.html) The
recreational aviation community, a group of about 20 representatives of

Canadian

aviation industry and Transport Canada officials, recently discussed

the

new U.S.

sport pilot/light-sport aircraft (SP/LSA) regulations and its impact on
similar interests in Canada. Included at the group's first meeting,

December 7-8 in

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, were EAA Canadian Council members Denis

Browne,

Jack Dueck, Frank Hofmann, and Ted Slack.
_(read more)_ (http://www.sportpilot.org/news/041216_canada.html)






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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

In Canada...whether smart or not...no requirement to get a "lower" level of
license to fly an ultralight. If you have a Rec license, PPL, CPL, ATPL you
can automatically fly an ultralight without any further training.

Cheers,
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Kimball" <mkimball@gci.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 4:50 PM
Subject: RE: US Sport Pilot regulations

It sounds like Canada has a great set of rules that I wish the USA had.
Best in the world? Sounds like the rules are equal to the ones I operated
under in Australia a few years ago. Even though I had an Australian

Private

Pilot's License I still had to get 10 hours of instruction and obtain an
ultralight license. I think it takes 20 hours to get an ultralight

license

if you don't already have a Private. Since many ultralights fly a lot
different than their larger cousins I did not mind the requirement for
instruction and another license. I'm curious. Is this the same in Canada?

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Bob
Patterson
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 10:19 AM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com

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