Empty weight for 1800 amphibs

[Legeorgen]

Well, maybe I should weigh 25 or 30 lb. more but that still puts me in at
1220 lb.(1189 + 30). I plane on weighing it again with a different scale anyway.

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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Sounds like a plan.....with the cabin floor level this time !

When you're all done... a "paper weight" under 1200lb would be wise for the
impending "ramp check"!

----- Original Message -----
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To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: Empty weight for 1800 amphibs

Well, maybe I should weigh 25 or 30 lb. more but that still puts me in at
1220 lb.(1189 + 30). I plane on weighing it again with a different scale

anyway.

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[Drew Dalgleish]

At 06:01 PM 2/24/2004 -0800, you wrote:

Wow, that is very good, Drew. I thought your engine weighed about
the same as the 0320's. What were you on wheels?

Walter

Origionally on wheels was 850lbs. but I'm sure it's gained weight since
then. The 0-290 is suposed to weigh a little bit more than an 0-320
depending on the model and which book you look in. >
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[Legeorgen]

The scales I used look like bathroom scales but are supposed to be for
aircraft with multiplying arms. I calibrated them to my usual weight but my bath
scale and my mother in laws are 8 lb. different.

With a 4 times multiplying arm on the scale, if my weight is even 4 lb. off X
4 X four wheels, that's a 64 lb. error not even counting any error the scales
themselves may have.

I will weight it again as I'm sure now the 1265 lb. I weighed the first time
has to be wrong.

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[Bob Patterson]

Hi Bob !

The factory ads say to expect a net increase of approx. 253 lb.
for the 1800 amphibs - but the max. gross does go up to 1,730 lb.

Still, a smaller useful load, but MUCH more than most aircraft
on floats (Old saying - "Nobody ever flies AT gross on floats !" ;-) )

You will have a ball, though !! :-)

.....bobp

----------------------------orig.-------------------
On Tuesday 24 February 2004 06:26 pm, you wrote:

this is not good news! i`ve been counting on a net increase of 230 lbs
when i mount the floats that should have put rebel 342 at 1204 lbs
i guess we`ll have to do the battery and the flyweight starter trick
bob fisher nobel ontario
----- Original Message -----
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To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 2:14 AM
Subject: Re: Empty weight for 1800 amphibs

Walter, Wayne, Curt. Bobp and all you other amphib drivers out there,

I wanted to know what your planes empty weights came in at with the 1800
amphibs. I weighed mine today at 1265 lb. I thought that was a bit heavy.

That's

an increase of almost 300 lb. (my wheeled empty weight was 975) and that's
after removing the heavy spring gear.

The Manual said the empty C of G would not change but mine moved back

almost

two inches from 9.95 to 11.75. I don't mined the CG change, just wanted to
know if others had similar experience.

This only leaves me with a 475 lb. useful load. I was hoping for a bit

more

so I could carry two of use and at least a 100 lb. of gear with more than

6

gallons of fuel and still have insurance!

The leaky front cylinder stopped leaking on its own...now that it has

warmed

up above 28*F (and MAM is sending me a new rebuild kit). The muscle needed

to

pump the gear up and down has become much better too. Amazing what a
difference a few degrees make.

Bruce G

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[Walter Klatt]

When I went to amphibs with mine I weighed my two bungee gear,
wheels and all, along with the tail wheel and the whole works
came out to 50 pounds. I believe the spring gear is 25 pounds
heavier, and more if using a non-MAM tail wheel.

I recall seeing an earlier weight on the 1800's at 224 net
increase, but it didn't say what gear. In any case, I personally
wouldn't bet that Murphy really has a good handle on this either.
There does appear to be 2 different skin sizes for the 1800's, so
that would certainly account for different weights by builders.
There is also probably a lot of builder weighing errors and the
use of "accounting" scales.

As an aside, I recently helped a local Elite builder do his
weight and balance, and it came in at 1120, and that is with an
0360.

Walter

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Bob
Patterson
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 7:46 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
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Hi Bruce !

As far as I know, the Murphy brochure WAS based on a
standard-gear
Rebel, so you're right - a smaller weight increase !
Although, the
spring gear Rebel would be likely about 20 lb. heavier
to start with,
than a standard gear, because of all those
doubler/trippler/octupler (!)
plates ... ;-) :-)

Just curious - how much do just the gear legs alone weigh ??
Axles, wheels, & tires would be the same on both
gears, so the legs
would be the only difference. Anybody know what just
the standard
gear legs weigh ?? I bet there's not a lot of
difference, if you
count in the center tubes & the bungees (or die springs) ....
suspect most of the weight increase is in the fuse beef-ups.

I <LOVE> Warren's answer !!! :-) Get a good accountant
(maybe ex-Enron ??) to find you a set of scales that give you
the answer you want !! ;-) :-) :-)

......bobp

----------------------------orig.-------------------
On Wednesday 25 February 2004 08:14 pm, you wrote:

Bobp

Is that a net 253 LB. Increase for a standard gear

Rebel? Because if it is,

that would mean a spring gear Rebel should have a

smaller net increase as
he is

removing gear that weighs more than the stock gear

and then adding back the

same in floats.

Bruce

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[Walter Klatt]

Not really sure what other Elites are coming in at, but the
interior and accessories were not excessive on this one.

Walter

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I knew the Elites were heavier but 1120 LB. Wow!
That's a lot of extra weight
for only 20 more HP to pull around. Was that a heavy
Elite or is that typical?

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[Legeorgen]

Bobp

Is that a net 253 LB. Increase for a standard gear Rebel? Because if it is,
that would mean a spring gear Rebel should have a smaller net increase as he is
removing gear that weighs more than the stock gear and then adding back the
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[Bob Patterson]

Hi Bruce !

As far as I know, the Murphy brochure WAS based on a standard-gear
Rebel, so you're right - a smaller weight increase ! Although, the
spring gear Rebel would be likely about 20 lb. heavier to start with,
than a standard gear, because of all those doubler/trippler/octupler (!)
plates ... ;-) :-)

Just curious - how much do just the gear legs alone weigh ??
Axles, wheels, & tires would be the same on both gears, so the legs
would be the only difference. Anybody know what just the standard
gear legs weigh ?? I bet there's not a lot of difference, if you
count in the center tubes & the bungees (or die springs) ....
suspect most of the weight increase is in the fuse beef-ups.

I <LOVE> Warren's answer !!! :-) Get a good accountant
(maybe ex-Enron ??) to find you a set of scales that give you
the answer you want !! ;-) :-) :-)

......bobp

----------------------------orig.-------------------
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Bobp

Is that a net 253 LB. Increase for a standard gear Rebel? Because if it is,
that would mean a spring gear Rebel should have a smaller net increase as

he is

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same in floats.

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[Legeorgen]

Yea, I had a laugh when I read that too..."get a good accountant." Well, I
think I have a good one now! He told me my Rebel weighs 1189 LB. no matter what
the scale said. At least that's what I'm going to say on paper.

I'll weigh the spring gear and wheels/tires this weekend and report back to
the list.

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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

I do my own company books as well Bruce! )

----- Original Message -----
From: <Legeorgen@aol.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: Empty weight for 1800 amphibs

Yea, I had a laugh when I read that too..."get a good accountant." Well, I
think I have a good one now! He told me my Rebel weighs 1189 LB. no matter

what

the scale said. At least that's what I'm going to say on paper.

I'll weigh the spring gear and wheels/tires this weekend and report back

to

the list.

Bruce

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[Legeorgen]

I knew the Elites were heavier but 1120 LB. Wow! That's a lot of extra weight
for only 20 more HP to pull around. Was that a heavy Elite or is that typical?

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[Warren Montgomery]

Any good accountant could find scales to get you the weights you need ;-)

Warren

Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:

Sounds like a plan.....with the cabin floor level this time !

When you're all done... a "paper weight" under 1200lb would be wise for the
impending "ramp check"!

----- Original Message -----
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To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: Empty weight for 1800 amphibs

Well, maybe I should weigh 25 or 30 lb. more but that still puts me in at
1220 lb.(1189 + 30). I plane on weighing it again with a different scale

anyway.

Bruce

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[Angus McKenzie]

We are just ready to bring the front end loader into the hanger and push the
floats under the Rebel,just kidding but we are using the loader to lift the
plane.These are a set of MAM's earliest amphib kits and were built by Carm
Titus and used by him for about three years, they weigh 301#s.Yesterday I
completed the new 3.5"dia.x7"high cylindrical aluminum oil tank and it's
mounting pedestal which is affixed to the rear of the pump pedestal between
the seats,also determined to mount the selector switch and pressure gauge
under the dash on the extreme left side.Perhaps we will do pictures to post.

In case anyone is interested Clamar floats offer a Parker pump/selector
valve assy. which is quite small,maybe 3"square and 5high with a socket for
a detachable handle,it is really neat and would consolidate the two
functions, it is also a lot of money.

I have faired bungee gear,12-9044 loops with MAM wheels 8:50x6 McCreary's
and a Scott 3200,steel spring. When we weigh all of this stuff I will
report.

A local scale company is available with certified digital platform scales of
varying capacities which they deliver and operate and provide a federally
certified endorsed print out of the weight.
Another local aerial spray company has really cool and very expensive low
profile inter-connected digital platform scales to do their M-18 Dromaders
but they are more expensive to obtain the use of.

Regards, Angus


----- Original Message -----
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To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: Empty weight for 1800 amphibs

Hi Bruce !

As far as I know, the Murphy brochure WAS based on a standard-gear
Rebel, so you're right - a smaller weight increase ! Although, the
spring gear Rebel would be likely about 20 lb. heavier to start with,
than a standard gear, because of all those doubler/trippler/octupler (!)
plates ... ;-) :-)

Just curious - how much do just the gear legs alone weigh ??
Axles, wheels, & tires would be the same on both gears, so the legs
would be the only difference. Anybody know what just the standard
gear legs weigh ?? I bet there's not a lot of difference, if you
count in the center tubes & the bungees (or die springs) ....
suspect most of the weight increase is in the fuse beef-ups.

I <LOVE> Warren's answer !!! :-) Get a good accountant
(maybe ex-Enron ??) to find you a set of scales that give you
the answer you want !! ;-) :-) :-)

......bobp

----------------------------orig.-------------------
On Wednesday 25 February 2004 08:14 pm, you wrote:

Bobp

Is that a net 253 LB. Increase for a standard gear Rebel? Because if it

is,

that would mean a spring gear Rebel should have a smaller net increase

as

he is

removing gear that weighs more than the stock gear and then adding back

the

same in floats.

Bruce

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[N.Smith]

Hi Walter

Was this Dennis's Elite we looked at back in August, and still on wheels ?.
Sounds like he's not too far off being finished now. All the photo's I took
of his and yours have proved a godsend as I work through mine.

I'm also interested where he ended up putting his battery for trim ?

I'm still working around the cabin roof fitting . Wings and outstanding bits
from MAM should be here in May sometime.

Thanks
Nigel
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Walter Klatt
Sent: 26 February 2004 04:10
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Empty weight for 1800 amphibs


When I went to amphibs with mine I weighed my two bungee gear,
wheels and all, along with the tail wheel and the whole works
came out to 50 pounds. I believe the spring gear is 25 pounds
heavier, and more if using a non-MAM tail wheel.

I recall seeing an earlier weight on the 1800's at 224 net
increase, but it didn't say what gear. In any case, I personally
wouldn't bet that Murphy really has a good handle on this either.
There does appear to be 2 different skin sizes for the 1800's, so
that would certainly account for different weights by builders.
There is also probably a lot of builder weighing errors and the
use of "accounting" scales.

As an aside, I recently helped a local Elite builder do his
weight and balance, and it came in at 1120, and that is with an
0360.

Walter

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[mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of Bob
Patterson
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 7:46 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Empty weight for 1800 amphibs



Hi Bruce !

As far as I know, the Murphy brochure WAS based on a
standard-gear
Rebel, so you're right - a smaller weight increase !
Although, the
spring gear Rebel would be likely about 20 lb. heavier
to start with,
than a standard gear, because of all those
doubler/trippler/octupler (!)
plates ... ;-) :-)

Just curious - how much do just the gear legs alone weigh ??
Axles, wheels, & tires would be the same on both
gears, so the legs
would be the only difference. Anybody know what just
the standard
gear legs weigh ?? I bet there's not a lot of
difference, if you
count in the center tubes & the bungees (or die springs) ....
suspect most of the weight increase is in the fuse beef-ups.

I <LOVE> Warren's answer !!! :-) Get a good accountant
(maybe ex-Enron ??) to find you a set of scales that give you
the answer you want !! ;-) :-) :-)

......bobp

----------------------------orig.-------------------
On Wednesday 25 February 2004 08:14 pm, you wrote:

Bobp

Is that a net 253 LB. Increase for a standard gear

Rebel? Because if it is,

that would mean a spring gear Rebel should have a

smaller net increase as
he is

removing gear that weighs more than the stock gear

and then adding back the

same in floats.

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