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Wayne G. O'Shea

Doors

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:18 pm

After paint....either an open cell foam about 3/16" x 5/16" if things are
really tight or a two lip rubber style seal if you have a bit of room. The
two lip channel holds up longer and looks cleaner. Both of these that I am
talking about are available in any building center in the door sealing
department.

Wayne


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Doors

Does one put some sort of seal on the gap filler?
Mike Betti
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: Doors

He was referring to the SR and I >THINK< it has skin doublers like I did
on
Howard's Rebel doors. Maybe I'm just referring to the doors I did!

The Rebel had you cut the door skins to fit the frames and then add .032
doublers to rivet between the skin and frame to be the door gap filler.
We
took it a step further and left the door skin oversize and put the .032
behind it, bonded the two together with Proseal to reinforce. Makes for
a
much cleaner looking assembly with a seam free door skin instead of
strips
of .032 with cut lines showing on the corners.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: Doors

Thanks Wayne,
No, the reason I ask about the sealant is due to a comment you made
recently
that maybe I don't understand.
You wrote:
Proseal does a good job. Rivet it together and leave clamped with
spring
clamps around the perimeter till it cures. Clean the edge with a knife
afterwards. U are referring to the door jam overlap on the door skins
where
you reinforce with .032 or similar?

What do you mean here?
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771E

----- Original Message -----
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To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: Doors

so
no
are
work?
doubler
way.
hinge
surface


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Mike Betti

Doors

Post by Mike Betti » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:18 pm

Wayne,
Do you apply the seal to the doubler or to the door opening or maybe both as
needed?

Also, with my window being hinged at the top, do I just make some sort of
latch to hold it to the door when closed and then some sort of hanger off
the wing when open? If anyone has made something that works well in this
situation I would appreciate any pics or descriptions.
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Doors

After paint....either an open cell foam about 3/16" x 5/16" if things are
really tight or a two lip rubber style seal if you have a bit of room. The
two lip channel holds up longer and looks cleaner. Both of these that I am
talking about are available in any building center in the door sealing
department.

Wayne


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Doors

Does one put some sort of seal on the gap filler?
Mike Betti
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: Doors

He was referring to the SR and I >THINK< it has skin doublers like I
did
on
Howard's Rebel doors. Maybe I'm just referring to the doors I did!

The Rebel had you cut the door skins to fit the frames and then add
.032
doublers to rivet between the skin and frame to be the door gap filler.
We
took it a step further and left the door skin oversize and put the .032
behind it, bonded the two together with Proseal to reinforce. Makes for
a
much cleaner looking assembly with a seam free door skin instead of
strips
of .032 with cut lines showing on the corners.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: Doors

recently
spring
where
so
no are
work?
doubler
way.
hinge surface


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Wayne G. O'Shea

Doors

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:18 pm

You need something on the door skin/gap doubler or it will chaf into the
fuselage and the rivets surrounding the door sills/frame. Sometime to get a
nice "breeze free" door a layer of foam or the rubber rib stuff works nice
on the fuselage opening if there is just enough clearance between the front
door post and the window and door frames so it fits and just rubs it as you
close the window.

You're going to want a gas strut to hold it up when open and a simple latch
to keep it closed. CTC here in Canada sells a nice lever latch and it comes
in both left and right hand Made by bulldog, sure it's available in Home
Depot as well.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: Doors

Wayne,
Do you apply the seal to the doubler or to the door opening or maybe both
as
needed?

Also, with my window being hinged at the top, do I just make some sort of
latch to hold it to the door when closed and then some sort of hanger off
the wing when open? If anyone has made something that works well in this
situation I would appreciate any pics or descriptions.
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Doors

After paint....either an open cell foam about 3/16" x 5/16" if things
are
really tight or a two lip rubber style seal if you have a bit of room.
The
two lip channel holds up longer and looks cleaner. Both of these that I
am
talking about are available in any building center in the door sealing
department.

Wayne


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Doors

Does one put some sort of seal on the gap filler?
Mike Betti
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: Doors

filler.
We
.032
for
a
strips
spring
knife
skins
5/32
so
the
just
aluminum?
work?
way.
the
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mbetti

Doors

Post by mbetti » Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:18 pm

Thanks for the info Wayne,
Can these airplanes be flown with the window open in this situation?
Mike

On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 18:43:00 -0500, rebel-builders@dcsol.com said:
You need something on the door skin/gap doubler or it will chaf into the
fuselage and the rivets surrounding the door sills/frame. Sometime to get a
nice "breeze free" door a layer of foam or the rubber rib stuff works nice
on the fuselage opening if there is just enough clearance between the front
door post and the window and door frames so it fits and just rubs it as you
close the window.

You're going to want a gas strut to hold it up when open and a simple latch
to keep it closed. CTC here in Canada sells a nice lever latch and it comes
in both left and right hand Made by bulldog, sure it's available in Home
Depot as well.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: Doors

Wayne,
Do you apply the seal to the doubler or to the door opening or maybe both
as
needed?

Also, with my window being hinged at the top, do I just make some sort of
latch to hold it to the door when closed and then some sort of hanger off
the wing when open? If anyone has made something that works well in this
situation I would appreciate any pics or descriptions.
Thanks,
Mike Betti
771E
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Doors

After paint....either an open cell foam about 3/16" x 5/16" if things
are
really tight or a two lip rubber style seal if you have a bit of room.
The
two lip channel holds up longer and looks cleaner. Both of these that I
am
talking about are available in any building center in the door sealing
department.

Wayne


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Betti" <mbetti@up.net>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Doors

filler.
We
.032
for
a strips spring
knife
skins
5/32
so
the
just
aluminum?
work? way.
the
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