Don, I am doing the same thing with my Rebel (running the cables through the
bulkhead. I placed .063 doublers at each hole but otherwise our installations
look similar. I am just pulling cable right now (no swagging done yet). The
only trouble I have had so far is a bit of noise. It looks to me like I have
some rubbing sounds from the cable passing through the plastic. I have my
holes aligned very well (running a tight string down the center) so I know
that the sound is not going to result in a lot of wear on the plastic or any
wear on the bulkheads.
Scott Hibbs
Rebel 300R
->
-> Hi All,
->
-> At Oshkosh this year the factory Moose showed up with an extended baggage
-> area. It was quite impressive to see an additional 5 ft. of storage area.
-> This factory ship had a raised floor to accommodate control cables. Randy
-> and I choose to run our cables through the bulkheads to allow a floor (most
-> likely 3/8 plywood) to be installed at bulkhead level. The major
-> modifications needed involve moving the pulleys that are used for the flap
-> cable rearward and the pair of pulleys in the rear for the elevator cables
-> need to be lowered some 5/8" to allow the cables to pass through the
-> bulkheads just in front of the pulleys.
->
-> I have uploaded several pictures that will replace several thousand words to
-> the maddog site. I think the pictures will show the approach we took. They
-> are in the S-fuselage section. Just click on new files in the last seven
-> days
->
-> Randy and I thought all would be interested.
->
-> Regards,
-> Don Boardman
-> & Partner, Randy Bowers
-> Moose #130 "The Beast" M-14PF 400HP, MT-prop, Aerocet 3500 amphibs, Rome, NY
->
->
->
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Bob Patterson
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Thanks Don !
I think this will rapidly become THE way to finish the Moose
fuselage - it just adds SO much useful space. And the weight back
there doesn't seem to hurt - within reason.
Eliminating the bulkhead and door at the end of the old
baggage area, plus the flat floor, gives much more space for light,
bulky items like sleeping bags, rods, etc., as well as space for
sleeping without moving the seats. You would, of course, want to
install lots of hooks for cargo netting, so this stuff couldn't
roam around loose ! :-) One possibility for the floor
material is structural foam - the stuff Richard Schreder used for
wing ribs in his later gliders. This is incredibly strong and light -
and it would be a LOT warmer than aluminum for sleeping. You can't
break even the 3/8" thick sheet over your knee !!
That foil-coated plastic bubble pack is GREAT insulation -
light weight, easy to install, cheap, and it cuts noise AND heat !!
I used it on a Rebel over 10 years ago, for the firewall, doors, headliner,
and even as a temporary 'curtain' at the back of the baggage area.
It's available as "barn insulation", at many hardware stores.
Very useful stuff for Rebels, and Meese !! ;-)
......bobp
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I think this will rapidly become THE way to finish the Moose
fuselage - it just adds SO much useful space. And the weight back
there doesn't seem to hurt - within reason.
Eliminating the bulkhead and door at the end of the old
baggage area, plus the flat floor, gives much more space for light,
bulky items like sleeping bags, rods, etc., as well as space for
sleeping without moving the seats. You would, of course, want to
install lots of hooks for cargo netting, so this stuff couldn't
roam around loose ! :-) One possibility for the floor
material is structural foam - the stuff Richard Schreder used for
wing ribs in his later gliders. This is incredibly strong and light -
and it would be a LOT warmer than aluminum for sleeping. You can't
break even the 3/8" thick sheet over your knee !!
That foil-coated plastic bubble pack is GREAT insulation -
light weight, easy to install, cheap, and it cuts noise AND heat !!
I used it on a Rebel over 10 years ago, for the firewall, doors, headliner,
and even as a temporary 'curtain' at the back of the baggage area.
It's available as "barn insulation", at many hardware stores.
Very useful stuff for Rebels, and Meese !! ;-)
......bobp
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Hi All,
At Oshkosh this year the factory Moose showed up with an extended baggage
area. It was quite impressive to see an additional 5 ft. of storage area.
This factory ship had a raised floor to accommodate control cables. Randy
and I choose to run our cables through the bulkheads to allow a floor (most
likely 3/8 plywood) to be installed at bulkhead level. The major
modifications needed involve moving the pulleys that are used for the flap
cable rearward and the pair of pulleys in the rear for the elevator cables
need to be lowered some 5/8" to allow the cables to pass through the
bulkheads just in front of the pulleys.
I have uploaded several pictures that will replace several thousand words to
the maddog site. I think the pictures will show the approach we took. They
are in the S-fuselage section. Just click on new files in the last seven
days
Randy and I thought all would be interested.
Regards,
Don Boardman
& Partner, Randy Bowers
Moose #130 "The Beast" M-14PF 400HP, MT-prop, Aerocet 3500 amphibs, Rome, NY
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Don Boardman
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HI Bob,
You mention a material I am not familiar with though I am a fan of the late
Richard Schreder as an old glider pilot.
Thanks,
Don
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You mention a material I am not familiar with though I am a fan of the late
Richard Schreder as an old glider pilot.
Can you give me a source or brand name for the structural foam you mention.One possibility for the floor
material is structural foam - the stuff Richard Schreder used for
wing ribs in his later gliders. This is incredibly strong and light -
and it would be a LOT warmer than aluminum for sleeping. You can't
break even the 3/8" thick sheet over your knee !!
Thanks,
Don
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Don Boardman
Moose Extended Baggage Area
Hi All,
At Oshkosh this year the factory Moose showed up with an extended baggage
area. It was quite impressive to see an additional 5 ft. of storage area.
This factory ship had a raised floor to accommodate control cables. Randy
and I choose to run our cables through the bulkheads to allow a floor (most
likely 3/8 plywood) to be installed at bulkhead level. The major
modifications needed involve moving the pulleys that are used for the flap
cable rearward and the pair of pulleys in the rear for the elevator cables
need to be lowered some 5/8" to allow the cables to pass through the
bulkheads just in front of the pulleys.
I have uploaded several pictures that will replace several thousand words to
the maddog site. I think the pictures will show the approach we took. They
are in the S-fuselage section. Just click on new files in the last seven
days
Randy and I thought all would be interested.
Regards,
Don Boardman
& Partner, Randy Bowers
Moose #130 "The Beast" M-14PF 400HP, MT-prop, Aerocet 3500 amphibs, Rome, NY
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At Oshkosh this year the factory Moose showed up with an extended baggage
area. It was quite impressive to see an additional 5 ft. of storage area.
This factory ship had a raised floor to accommodate control cables. Randy
and I choose to run our cables through the bulkheads to allow a floor (most
likely 3/8 plywood) to be installed at bulkhead level. The major
modifications needed involve moving the pulleys that are used for the flap
cable rearward and the pair of pulleys in the rear for the elevator cables
need to be lowered some 5/8" to allow the cables to pass through the
bulkheads just in front of the pulleys.
I have uploaded several pictures that will replace several thousand words to
the maddog site. I think the pictures will show the approach we took. They
are in the S-fuselage section. Just click on new files in the last seven
days
Randy and I thought all would be interested.
Regards,
Don Boardman
& Partner, Randy Bowers
Moose #130 "The Beast" M-14PF 400HP, MT-prop, Aerocet 3500 amphibs, Rome, NY
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Bob Patterson
Moose Extended Baggage Area
Sorry Don, I don't know where to get it - it's likely a 3M or
DuPont product though .... Likely someone who has built an HP
would know a source.
It is polyvinylchloride plastic foam, according to Schreder's
notes with the HP-18. It is a medium brown colour, and very hard.
I was really impressed with the ribs after trying to break them
on a bench, and by hand - the stuff is STRONG !!! You drill, sand,
saw, and file it, just like metal. The pores are very small.
He used it for the ribs in all his later designs, just
bonding the skins to the ribs with Polyfiber Epoxy Primer (!!!).
Almost ALL of the HP-22 was built of this structural foam - the
fuselage was then coated with fiberglas - this was the "everything"
glider - a 2-seat amphibious, self-launching motorglider !!!!
Hmmmmmm ...... being PVC, there might be a problem in
a fire - something to check on, I guess. Wasn't a consideration
for gliders ! :-)
.....bobp
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DuPont product though .... Likely someone who has built an HP
would know a source.
It is polyvinylchloride plastic foam, according to Schreder's
notes with the HP-18. It is a medium brown colour, and very hard.
I was really impressed with the ribs after trying to break them
on a bench, and by hand - the stuff is STRONG !!! You drill, sand,
saw, and file it, just like metal. The pores are very small.
He used it for the ribs in all his later designs, just
bonding the skins to the ribs with Polyfiber Epoxy Primer (!!!).
Almost ALL of the HP-22 was built of this structural foam - the
fuselage was then coated with fiberglas - this was the "everything"
glider - a 2-seat amphibious, self-launching motorglider !!!!
Hmmmmmm ...... being PVC, there might be a problem in
a fire - something to check on, I guess. Wasn't a consideration
for gliders ! :-)
.....bobp
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HI Bob,
You mention a material I am not familiar with though I am a fan of the late
Richard Schreder as an old glider pilot.
Can you give me a source or brand name for the structural foam you mention.One possibility for the floor
material is structural foam - the stuff Richard Schreder used for
wing ribs in his later gliders. This is incredibly strong and light -
and it would be a LOT warmer than aluminum for sleeping. You can't
break even the 3/8" thick sheet over your knee !!
Thanks,
Don
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Moose Extended Baggage Area
Rob and I added a rear cargo door on the passenger side as well when we did our rear baggage area. No worries about moving flap cables since we are mounting our flap handle on the cabin top and are using all push pull tubes. I'll get some pictures on the archives soon.
Mike Kimball
SR#044
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From: Don Boardman
Reply To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 9:11 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Moose Extended Baggage Area
Hi All,
At Oshkosh this year the factory Moose showed up with an extended baggage
area. It was quite impressive to see an additional 5 ft. of storage area.
This factory ship had a raised floor to accommodate control cables. Randy
and I choose to run our cables through the bulkheads to allow a floor (most
likely 3/8 plywood) to be installed at bulkhead level. The major
modifications needed involve moving the pulleys that are used for the flap
cable rearward and the pair of pulleys in the rear for the elevator cables
need to be lowered some 5/8" to allow the cables to pass through the
bulkheads just in front of the pulleys.
I have uploaded several pictures that will replace several thousand words to
the maddog site. I think the pictures will show the approach we took. They
are in the S-fuselage section. Just click on new files in the last seven
days
Randy and I thought all would be interested.
Regards,
Don Boardman
& Partner, Randy Bowers
Moose #130 "The Beast" M-14PF 400HP, MT-prop, Aerocet 3500 amphibs, Rome, NY
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SR#044
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From: Don Boardman
Reply To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 9:11 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Moose Extended Baggage Area
Hi All,
At Oshkosh this year the factory Moose showed up with an extended baggage
area. It was quite impressive to see an additional 5 ft. of storage area.
This factory ship had a raised floor to accommodate control cables. Randy
and I choose to run our cables through the bulkheads to allow a floor (most
likely 3/8 plywood) to be installed at bulkhead level. The major
modifications needed involve moving the pulleys that are used for the flap
cable rearward and the pair of pulleys in the rear for the elevator cables
need to be lowered some 5/8" to allow the cables to pass through the
bulkheads just in front of the pulleys.
I have uploaded several pictures that will replace several thousand words to
the maddog site. I think the pictures will show the approach we took. They
are in the S-fuselage section. Just click on new files in the last seven
days
Randy and I thought all would be interested.
Regards,
Don Boardman
& Partner, Randy Bowers
Moose #130 "The Beast" M-14PF 400HP, MT-prop, Aerocet 3500 amphibs, Rome, NY
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Mike's Email
Moose Extended Baggage Area
P.S. I'm going to add a section on my family web site this weekend marking progress on my Super Rebel. If you'd like to visit, it's at http://home.gci.net/~kimball.
Mike Kimball
SR#044
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Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 12:30 PM
To: 'murphy-rebel@dcsol.com'
Subject: RE: Moose Extended Baggage Area
Rob and I added a rear cargo door on the passenger side as well when we did our rear baggage area. No worries about moving flap cables since we are mounting our flap handle on the cabin top and are using all push pull tubes. I'll get some pictures on the archives soon.
Mike Kimball
SR#044
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From: Don Boardman
Reply To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 9:11 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Moose Extended Baggage Area
Hi All,
At Oshkosh this year the factory Moose showed up with an extended baggage
area. It was quite impressive to see an additional 5 ft. of storage area.
This factory ship had a raised floor to accommodate control cables. Randy
and I choose to run our cables through the bulkheads to allow a floor (most
likely 3/8 plywood) to be installed at bulkhead level. The major
modifications needed involve moving the pulleys that are used for the flap
cable rearward and the pair of pulleys in the rear for the elevator cables
need to be lowered some 5/8" to allow the cables to pass through the
bulkheads just in front of the pulleys.
I have uploaded several pictures that will replace several thousand words to
the maddog site. I think the pictures will show the approach we took. They
are in the S-fuselage section. Just click on new files in the last seven
days
Randy and I thought all would be interested.
Regards,
Don Boardman
& Partner, Randy Bowers
Moose #130 "The Beast" M-14PF 400HP, MT-prop, Aerocet 3500 amphibs, Rome, NY
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SR#044
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Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 12:30 PM
To: 'murphy-rebel@dcsol.com'
Subject: RE: Moose Extended Baggage Area
Rob and I added a rear cargo door on the passenger side as well when we did our rear baggage area. No worries about moving flap cables since we are mounting our flap handle on the cabin top and are using all push pull tubes. I'll get some pictures on the archives soon.
Mike Kimball
SR#044
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From: Don Boardman
Reply To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 9:11 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Moose Extended Baggage Area
Hi All,
At Oshkosh this year the factory Moose showed up with an extended baggage
area. It was quite impressive to see an additional 5 ft. of storage area.
This factory ship had a raised floor to accommodate control cables. Randy
and I choose to run our cables through the bulkheads to allow a floor (most
likely 3/8 plywood) to be installed at bulkhead level. The major
modifications needed involve moving the pulleys that are used for the flap
cable rearward and the pair of pulleys in the rear for the elevator cables
need to be lowered some 5/8" to allow the cables to pass through the
bulkheads just in front of the pulleys.
I have uploaded several pictures that will replace several thousand words to
the maddog site. I think the pictures will show the approach we took. They
are in the S-fuselage section. Just click on new files in the last seven
days
Randy and I thought all would be interested.
Regards,
Don Boardman
& Partner, Randy Bowers
Moose #130 "The Beast" M-14PF 400HP, MT-prop, Aerocet 3500 amphibs, Rome, NY
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Ted Waltman
Moose extended baggage area
I posted 3 pictures of my extended baggage area between bulkheads C to E
(Area 109-S/M Interior). Pics show additional channels in floor (added
something like 20 two-inch tall channels on the floor and sides to support
the corner wraps and flooring). Channels are out of 0.036 2024 T3. Floor
is 0.040 6061 T6. I probably over did the nut-plates, as I put in a
nut-plate every 3" on the channels and on the floor-edge of the corner
wraps.
I still have to run the elevator and rudder cables which will be float until
aft of bulkhead E. At that point I'll put in pulleys for each to allow the
cables to go up to the existing elevator pulleys at H (will add two new
pulleys at H for the rudder cables). More pics on that when I get that done
shortyly.
Ted
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(Area 109-S/M Interior). Pics show additional channels in floor (added
something like 20 two-inch tall channels on the floor and sides to support
the corner wraps and flooring). Channels are out of 0.036 2024 T3. Floor
is 0.040 6061 T6. I probably over did the nut-plates, as I put in a
nut-plate every 3" on the channels and on the floor-edge of the corner
wraps.
I still have to run the elevator and rudder cables which will be float until
aft of bulkhead E. At that point I'll put in pulleys for each to allow the
cables to go up to the existing elevator pulleys at H (will add two new
pulleys at H for the rudder cables). More pics on that when I get that done
shortyly.
Ted
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