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phil stubley

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Post by phil stubley » Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:21 pm

Have you used the UHS spinner and would you recommend it? I've heard some say
a spinner must have a back plate and front plate to be sufficiently strong
enough and not risk in-flight failure of the spinner.

Bruce G
Bruce,
I have a 14" UHS on a 4 blade Warp drive. I bought the "14 in." MAM
spinner, but it is only 13 in. and won't go over the 4 blade Warp
drive. I thought it would fit the same as a 3 blade, but I got caught.

Anyway, after much glass work on the nose of the speed cowling, I was
happy with that part. But I was scared of the large rear overhang on
the UHS spinner, especially with 4 cutouts, not three, so that there
was four little curved sections instead of 3 sections with a good
curve. Not enough 'arch'. So I built more glass. I made a full circle
back ring which fits inside the rear of the UHS spinner, and gets held
on with the screws that connect the back ring and the cap, so there are
three layers now at that point. So now centrifugal forces are taken by a
full circle instead of just the 'no arch arch'. It also fills the gap to
the speed cowl. I also added some more glass to the original back ring,
as I was worried after I saw pictures of one that came apart. (I don't
know if the problem was the spinner or the prop, but I fixed it
anyway.) Wayne also noted they are using more glass in that area now.

I have about 75 hours on it and looks good. The hardest part was
ensuring the balance of the new piece.

Phil Stubley, R302.



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Post by Mnleber » Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:38 pm

I bought two sets of stainless steel measuring spoons, one for catalyst and one for the epoxy. I then bent the spoons 90 degrees to make it easier to dip into a paint can. I use small aluminum tart tins you can b uy at a grocery store. One of these tart tins is enough usually to do one section of skin say on a elevator or rudder. At least it works well for me.

Mike Le Ber R683


In a message dated 1/13/02 11:21:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, murphy-rebel-d@dcsol.com writes:

---------- Digest Message #9 ----------
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:42:19 -0500
From: flyguy@idirect.com
To: murphy-rebel
Subject: Start Riveting

Well I'm finally getting the nerve to start riveting the flaps together
and have a few questions. I have readied that you use the epoxy primer
between all mating surfaces and dip the rivets in the epoxy also. Is it ok
to just use acetone to clean the surfaces and wipe with a clean cloth or do
you also have to etch the surfaces. What is the best method for measuring
out the epoxy and catalyst. I would thing you would use separate means for
each so that one does not come in contact with the other until you mix them
together. Next in dipping the rivets what type of contain is best to use
(small paper cup); when you do dip it is only the shank and not the head? Is
it advisable to corrosive proof everything with the epoxy primer? (I hope to
be on floats one day) One more thing I phone Murphy about the price increase
and was told that it was increasing by 6%; has anyone hear this or a
different number?
Thanks
Gary M
Through Adversity To The Stars
712R



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Mnleber

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Post by Mnleber » Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:47 pm

Congratulations.

Mike Le Ber
---------- Digest Message #3 ----------
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:29:25 -0900
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
To: murphy-rebel
Subject: Official!

Well it's official, I'm no longer just hosting this list... I have joined
your ranks. I don't plan to take delivery until July (I need to build a
bigger shop!), but the order process is complete.

Mike
195SR


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Post by Mnleber » Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:59 pm

In a message dated 3/10/02 11:58:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, murphy-rebel-d@dcsol.com writes:

---------- Digest Message #2 ----------
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 05:17:45 -0900
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com
To: murphy-rebel
Subject: moving server

Well I finally got it... a high speed internet connection at my house that
is!

We got a DSL connection at the house hooked up and running and I've
submitted the address change for the server this morning, so it should be
taking effect in the next 24 hours.

I will be doing the actual physical move of the server some time today so
until both the physical location and the recorded location agree the system
will not be reachable. This should not take longer than 24 hours though.

Mike
Good job Mike

Thanks

Mike LeBer

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phil stubley

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Post by phil stubley » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:08 pm

From: rebaker@ftc-i.net
To: murphy-rebel-d
Subject: fuel tank leaks

Wayne,
You say you always fix leaks from the outside and we did two gushers that
way by cutting a handhole behind the rear bulkheads in our Elite. We have
an elusive small leak remaining. We have soapy water tested the top an
bottom skins, fuel cap, root rib, and all the fittings with no resulting
bubbles. Have used a modified stethoscope to listen as far as possible
through handholes with no joy. It seems the leaks must be at the main
spar, outboard solid rib, or possibly rear bulkheads.

Two questions:
Any suggestions as to how to locate these internal leaks without just
blindly cutting?
How do you deal with access to leaks at the main spar area? Do you cut the
leading edge skin?

Additional suggestions solicited from all sources.
Thanks,
Ralph Baker
***Ralph
Had a similar problem. Fixed what appeared to be a leak from the upper
outboard stringer region, but a small weep still remained. Have three
holes in the lower skin, two behind and one outboard of the tank, and
did all kinds of searches, (except the stethoscope. Not enough pressure
to get a sound.) Best method was small pieces of paper towel at each
suspect location, after drying out the area, and leaving for a few
minutes. Wetness showed right away, (minutes) but needed several tries
to confirm the location. Then tried to fix the area, which was on the
rear bulkhead top. After several tries, I gave up, removed the wing,
sloshed it ( against my better judgment) and now it's dry.
Incidently, this leak was not there initially. It appeared after the
second winter, so something moved I suspect due to temperature
variations.
And Wayne's comment about checking for SIMPLE causes is a good one.
After the fix was satisfactory I was happy until it started to leak
AGAIN, with vengeance this time. I swore a few times, (many actually)
and finally got mad enought to remove the fairings, and found that I had
not assembled the outlet fitting properly, the pipe clamp was not
correctly placed. So that part I fixed in a few minutes. What a
relief!!!

Good luck with it.
Phil.
R302, 5 years flying.



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Rickhm at home

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Post by Rickhm at home » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:08 pm

Yet another approach I have used is to take 3-5 gallons of water and add
LOTS of DARK food coloring. Pour it in the tank along with a teaspoon of
detergent. The detergent is to act as a surfactant and allow for less
surface tension. Seal up the wing (cap) and pressurize the tank to 1-2
PSI. You can then prop the wing up leading edge down and see what you get.
If the leak is around the main spar you'll see the blue flow. If you
loose all your pressure and no blue... flip the wing leading edge up and
try again. As you move the wing around from leading edge up to down,
upright to inverted, wing tip down to wing tip up, etc. you can isolate
where it is by identifying where you loose air pressure without any flow of
liquid. I found 2 leaks this way in about 30 minutes. The volume of fluid
can be adjusted down depending on the tank size. This worked for me, hope
it helps!

Rick Muller
SR70

-----Original Message-----
From: phil stubley [SMTP:phil.stubley@sympatico.ca]
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 9:27 AM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: DIGEST - murphy-rebel-d
From: rebaker@ftc-i.net
To: murphy-rebel-d
Subject: fuel tank leaks

Wayne,
You say you always fix leaks from the outside and we did two gushers that
way by cutting a handhole behind the rear bulkheads in our Elite. We
have
an elusive small leak remaining. We have soapy water tested the top an
bottom skins, fuel cap, root rib, and all the fittings with no resulting
bubbles. Have used a modified stethoscope to listen as far as possible
through handholes with no joy. It seems the leaks must be at the main
spar, outboard solid rib, or possibly rear bulkheads.

Two questions:
Any suggestions as to how to locate these internal leaks without just
blindly cutting?
How do you deal with access to leaks at the main spar area? Do you cut
the
leading edge skin?

Additional suggestions solicited from all sources.
Thanks,
Ralph Baker
***Ralph
Had a similar problem. Fixed what appeared to be a leak from the upper
outboard stringer region, but a small weep still remained. Have three
holes in the lower skin, two behind and one outboard of the tank, and
did all kinds of searches, (except the stethoscope. Not enough pressure
to get a sound.) Best method was small pieces of paper towel at each
suspect location, after drying out the area, and leaving for a few
minutes. Wetness showed right away, (minutes) but needed several tries
to confirm the location. Then tried to fix the area, which was on the
rear bulkhead top. After several tries, I gave up, removed the wing,
sloshed it ( against my better judgment) and now it's dry.
Incidently, this leak was not there initially. It appeared after the
second winter, so something moved I suspect due to temperature
variations.
And Wayne's comment about checking for SIMPLE causes is a good one.
After the fix was satisfactory I was happy until it started to leak
AGAIN, with vengeance this time. I swore a few times, (many actually)
and finally got mad enought to remove the fairings, and found that I had
not assembled the outlet fitting properly, the pipe clamp was not
correctly placed. So that part I fixed in a few minutes. What a
relief!!!

Good luck with it.
Phil.
R302, 5 years flying.

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phil stubley

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Post by phil stubley » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:21 pm

Ian,

This is the accepted location for 912 oil coolers, up front just under the
prop (see the picture of "912S engine on a Kitfox" in the Rebel archives). It
should be getting plenty of air. If all other CHT's and water temperatures
are not raising, I would suspect your gage.
***Ian,

If your oil is too hot it can be either not enough air or not enopugh
oil flow. To check this, after a hot run feel the oil cooler
(Carefully!!) to see if it is very hot or cool. If cool it indicates
low OIL flow, if hot low Air flow.

Hope this helps, good luck with it. I spend about six months before
finding out I ahd a restriction in the oil flow.

Phil, Reb 302, O-320 .



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Ian Donaldson

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Post by Ian Donaldson » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:21 pm

G'day Phil


Thanks for your response.


Just where did you have the restriction, and how did you find it?
Also how did you fix it?

Regards

Ian Donaldson
***Ian,

If your oil is too hot it can be either not enough air or not enough
oil flow. To check this, after a hot run feel the oil cooler
(Carefully!!) to see if it is very hot or cool. If cool it indicates
low OIL flow, if hot low Air flow.

Hope this helps, good luck with it. I spent about six months before
finding out I had a restriction in the oil flow.

Phil, Reb 302, O-320 .



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Steve Halvorsen

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Post by Steve Halvorsen » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:24 pm

Thanks for the feed back. I appreciate all the feed back I'm getting from
my post. The way things are looking right now we will be going ahead with
the project.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
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Digest of list: murphy-rebel-d Total messages in digest: 1

1 Date : Fri, 30 Aug 2002 21:31:00 -0600
From : flynski@peoplepc.com
Subject: RE: New to the BBS


---------- Digest Message #1 ----------
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 21:31:00 -0600
From: flynski@peoplepc.com
To: murphy-rebel
Subject: RE: New to the BBS

Hi Steve,

We built the Moose tail from the kit and have the fast build wings and
fuselage. I'm glad we built the tail as it gave us a good introduction into
the construction methods used and the use of the MAM manual. MAM has always
been very helpful with any questions, either by email or phone. This list is
an excellent source of support. There are many Rebel, Elite, Super Rebel
and SR/Moose builders on here with tons of been there, done that,
information.

In my opinion the fast build wings and fuselage are constructed very well.
At first I wasn't sure I wanted to spend the extra $$ for the fast build.
Now I am glad we did. It goes together unbelievable fast. We started
construction on our fast build wings just over 3 weeks ago. The flaps and
ailerons are complete, the wings are closed up with only (a big ONLY) the
tips and the tank leak test/fix to go. I have a fairly accurate log and can
pull up some time of construction numbers if you want.

We went with the M14 for cost, performance (climb, not speed), and the whole
round engine noise and mess. You can probably get into a used Lyc. at a
comparable cost and they look and perform very well too. By the time you
get to the engine installation phase there will be a lot more information,
ideas, and opinions on how to put the whole M14 package together.

Take care,
Scott Aldrich
N174SL Moose #174



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phil stubley

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Post by phil stubley » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:24 pm

Subject: header tanks

Hi all
I've scared myself 3 times now having my engine quit when I have low fuel.
The first time I still had 5gal. in each tank but I was flying in very
rough conditions
The second time I was trying to run the one tank dry
The third time I had about 5gal in the tank I was using
I could just make sure to carry at least 10gal. of gas in each tank but
that really
isn't practical so unless someone has a better idea this is what I plan to
do. I'm going to make a header tank for each side and attach it in the fuel
line as high as possible where the line goes down vertically behind the
door. The tank doesn't need to be very big so I think I'll use 2" tubing
about 6" long with machined aluminum ends pro-sealed in place. The tube
will attach vertically to the bulkhead with a line attached top and bottom
and a vent line at the top going up to the overhead cross vent.
Any suggestions, flames, or words of encouragment fire away
Drew Dalgleish
***Drew,
I scared myself once on takeopff. I lost power but it didn't quit
because I had installed a header tank on the firewall, 2 in dia by 6 in
hi, which gave me some time at low power. I was able to duplicate the
effect on the ground, ( and overheated my cowling in the process). The
problem is one of an air bubble NOT GOING BACK UP THE PIPE INTO THE
TANK.

I did some work on a test setup and found that with an air bubble in the
line you can get a flow sufficient to idle, and probably run a 916, but
not an O-320 at takeoff power. This flow won't dislodge the bubble and
carry it down the tube, but the bubble won't go up the tibe either if
there is any restriction such as an elbow or outlet fitting in the
horizontal run from the tank. So the only way out is to a) never get a
bubble in the line, (your immediate fix, keep lots of fuel in the tank),
b) make a return path for the bubble.( your suggested fix may do that)

The best way is to KEEP BOTH LINES OPEN AT ALL TIMES. If/when a bubble
gets in the line, the other line will run, and when you level again the
difference in pressure will drive the bubble BACKWARDS into the tank.

And Wayne, your experience doesn't count, because your 45 deg banks into
your field are ALWAYS perfect, with the bubble right in the middle.
(Just kidding, I know you sideslip in)

My experience was using one tank because I was trying to assess auto
fuel in one tank and avgas in the other. I don't experiment at ground
level anymore. :-))

Glad all is well.

Phil R302.



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Post by Cgaylord1 » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:24 pm

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Post by Mike Davis » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:28 pm

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I am just about to the point of starting the build on the wings. Does
anyone
have any idea where ProSeal can be obtained in the Toronto area. I'd
rather
not have to spend an exhorbitant amount of money for hazmat shipment. It
usually seems to work out to be twice what the product costs.


Thanks

Mike LeBer R682

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