Opinions - Seats, aileron spades

[Mike Kimball]

Hey folks,

I need your opinions - FAST. I've got a couple of days to make a decision
about some stuff I want to order from MAM so I can slip my parts into Mike
Davis' crate coming up in July.

I was going to get seat covers for the front and material for the bench back
seat, but after calling Chris Gill to ask how much material he used for the
bench seat he told me I should reconsider the bench. He says it's too far
forward and leaves little leg room for the passengers. He admits being 6'4"
doesn't help. He also says that there's little space between the top of the
bench and the roof and retrieving stuff from the cargo area in flight is
difficult. He says that if he had it to do over he would get those little
seats they make for the C-185 that fold up against the side or get buckets
for the back. Does anyone know if the back buckets can be positioned
farther back than the bench? Other opinions about the bench versus the
buckets?

Chris also noted that when landing in strong crosswinds he asks the front
passenger to slide their seat back to get their legs out of the way of the
stick. Apparently, full throw on the stick didn't take into account the
presence of legs. The pilot's legs are still a problem but at least he's
ready for it. Chris is thinking of doing the aileron spade mod to help. It
seems to me that the mod lightens the stick pressure but still wouldn't help
get more aileron with less stick throw. Anyone thought about shortening the
control horns somewhere in the aileron system to get more aileron deflection
with the same amount of stick throw? Add the aileron spade mod to make up
for the increased stick force with the shorter control horn? Not big
changes. Just hook on to the aileron horns on the roof a bit closer to the
pivot point. Same with the control horns that stick out through the
fuselage cabin ribs. Just hook on a bit closer to the pivot point.

If I decide to hook everything up as originally designed, what's your
opinion about the necessity of the aileron spade mod? My guess is that it's
fine without the mod, and maybe MAM is just tweaking to try and get a better
balance between pitch and roll forces on the stick.

Lastly, I'm sad to report that Rob Merdes was crawling into his tailcone
with the fuselage on its gear to install cable fairleads and pulleys, and a
bit of a bounce trying to get back out caused the tailcone to buckle. Not
sure exactly where it buckled, but apparently 180 pounds clear back between
bulkhead D and F is not a good idea. Having the top, rearmost corner wraps
and rear, upper wrap just ahead of the fin removed probably didn't help
matters. He's got parts on order but he's put his project on hold for a bit
while he contemplates the cruelty of the homebuilding god.

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SR #044




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[rickhm]

I'd like to hear more about where the tail cone buckled.... Thinking about repairing this doesn't sound fun. I am close to puttin in my corner warps and don't want to create another problem later when I put in cables. On the 172 there is a inspection plate on the side where you can reach in and access pullys... Guess we know why! I hate the idea of cutting a hole back there. If we knew where it buckled it could be supported so it didn't happen......

Rick
SR070

On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:43:34 -0800 Mike Kimball <mkimball@gci.net> wrote:

Hey folks,

I need your opinions - FAST. I've got a couple of days to make a decision
about some stuff I want to order from MAM so I can slip my parts into Mike
Davis' crate coming up in July.

I was going to get seat covers for the front and material for the bench back
seat, but after calling Chris Gill to ask how much material he used for the
bench seat he told me I should reconsider the bench. He says it's too far
forward and leaves little leg room for the passengers. He admits being 6'4"
doesn't help. He also says that there's little space between the top of the
bench and the roof and retrieving stuff from the cargo area in flight is
difficult. He says that if he had it to do over he would get those little
seats they make for the C-185 that fold up against the side or get buckets
for the back. Does anyone know if the back buckets can be positioned
farther back than the bench? Other opinions about the bench versus the
buckets?

Chris also noted that when landing in strong crosswinds he asks the front
passenger to slide their seat back to get their legs out of the way of the
stick. Apparently, full throw on the stick didn't take into account the
presence of legs. The pilot's legs are still a problem but at least he's
ready for it. Chris is thinking of doing the aileron spade mod to help. It
seems to me that the mod lightens the stick pressure but still wouldn't help
get more aileron with less stick throw. Anyone thought about shortening the
control horns somewhere in the aileron system to get more aileron deflection
with the same amount of stick throw? Add the aileron spade mod to make up
for the increased stick force with the shorter control horn? Not big
changes. Just hook on to the aileron horns on the roof a bit closer to the
pivot point. Same with the control horns that stick out through the
fuselage cabin ribs. Just hook on a bit closer to the pivot point.

If I decide to hook everything up as originally designed, what's your
opinion about the necessity of the aileron spade mod? My guess is that it's
fine without the mod, and maybe MAM is just tweaking to try and get a better
balance between pitch and roll forces on the stick.

Lastly, I'm sad to report that Rob Merdes was crawling into his tailcone
with the fuselage on its gear to install cable fairleads and pulleys, and a
bit of a bounce trying to get back out caused the tailcone to buckle. Not
sure exactly where it buckled, but apparently 180 pounds clear back between
bulkhead D and F is not a good idea. Having the top, rearmost corner wraps
and rear, upper wrap just ahead of the fin removed probably didn't help
matters. He's got parts on order but he's put his project on hold for a bit
while he contemplates the cruelty of the homebuilding god.

Mike Kimball
SR #044


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[Bob Patterson]

Hi Mike !

I know it's more money, but <I'd> go for the buckets in the
back in a minute !! You can extend the seat track right back into
the baggage area if you want, and it can be VERY hand to just pop
ONE seat out to make room for large cargo, or even line 3 up on
the left side and leave the floor open all the way up, for loading
those 2 x 4's for the cottage !!! The flexibility is wonderful !

The leather's nice, if you can afford it, but a seat with
fabric in the center and Naugahyde on the sides will keep you cool
in summer, and wear well....

I haven't flown the spade mod., but I suspect you are right
- it will fly fine without it. Possibly the mod <does> make the
ailerons more effective, if it increases the surface area. You might
ask Robin Dyck and Brian Godden about the changes in function ...
I certainly found the ailerons (and elevators) to be pleasantly light
and adequate in all conditions. Mind you, I don't think I have
even 100 hours on the SR/Moose...

The stick throw isn't a big deal - you get used to it, like
many aircraft. The first time I landed with full flap (probably
best to use only 2 notches to avoid hard arrivals !), with a cross-
wind from the right, I was surprised to find my leg trapped between
the stick and the flap handle !! Not a big deal, just stretch the
leg down, but something to think about.... Generally, you're
unlikely to ever need full deflection in normal flying.

It may well be that a bit of tinkering with the arm length
can give you the best balance of control force and travel. We certainly
changed horn lengths several times on the early Rebels to get the
great balance they now have. Be careful not to get too far into
high loads on the horns & the rest of the mechanism .. the factory
can help if you send drawings and calculations.

Please let everone know if you find a combination you like -
I'm sure others would like to try it too. Personally, I wouldn't
mind if the ailerons were a bit heavier if they had more power in
smaller movements. (Of course, I love the Rebel ailerons with
full flap ... ;-) :-) )

....bobp

----------------------------orig.-------------------------------------
At 03:43 PM 6/12/02 -0800, you wrote:

Hey folks,

I need your opinions - FAST. I've got a couple of days to make a decision
about some stuff I want to order from MAM so I can slip my parts into Mike
Davis' crate coming up in July.

I was going to get seat covers for the front and material for the bench back
seat, but after calling Chris Gill to ask how much material he used for the
bench seat he told me I should reconsider the bench. He says it's too far
forward and leaves little leg room for the passengers. He admits being 6'4"
doesn't help. He also says that there's little space between the top of the
bench and the roof and retrieving stuff from the cargo area in flight is
difficult. He says that if he had it to do over he would get those little
seats they make for the C-185 that fold up against the side or get buckets
for the back. Does anyone know if the back buckets can be positioned
farther back than the bench? Other opinions about the bench versus the
buckets?

Chris also noted that when landing in strong crosswinds he asks the front
passenger to slide their seat back to get their legs out of the way of the
stick. Apparently, full throw on the stick didn't take into account the
presence of legs. The pilot's legs are still a problem but at least he's
ready for it. Chris is thinking of doing the aileron spade mod to help. It
seems to me that the mod lightens the stick pressure but still wouldn't help
get more aileron with less stick throw. Anyone thought about shortening the
control horns somewhere in the aileron system to get more aileron deflection
with the same amount of stick throw? Add the aileron spade mod to make up
for the increased stick force with the shorter control horn? Not big
changes. Just hook on to the aileron horns on the roof a bit closer to the
pivot point. Same with the control horns that stick out through the
fuselage cabin ribs. Just hook on a bit closer to the pivot point.

If I decide to hook everything up as originally designed, what's your
opinion about the necessity of the aileron spade mod? My guess is that it's
fine without the mod, and maybe MAM is just tweaking to try and get a better
balance between pitch and roll forces on the stick.

Lastly, I'm sad to report that Rob Merdes was crawling into his tailcone
with the fuselage on its gear to install cable fairleads and pulleys, and a
bit of a bounce trying to get back out caused the tailcone to buckle. Not
sure exactly where it buckled, but apparently 180 pounds clear back between
bulkhead D and F is not a good idea. Having the top, rearmost corner wraps
and rear, upper wrap just ahead of the fin removed probably didn't help
matters. He's got parts on order but he's put his project on hold for a bit
while he contemplates the cruelty of the homebuilding god.

Mike Kimball
SR #044


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[S & L Aldrich]

Hi Mike, I sat in Chris Gill's on the ground and flew the MAM demonstrator.
The bucket seats in the demonstrator are always set way farther back then
the bench and it seems like a lot more room. I didn't order the back seats
but have enough 4130 to make them. Can't be much over $40 worth of steel.

I think I will shorten my stick and change the angle like Al did so it is
not such a reach. Will look into your idea of different linkage. They are
sending the Aileron Spade mode with all kits going out the door now even
without ordering it. I don't think it costs much, I would get it.

FWIW.
Scott
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[Mike Kimball]

Thanks everyone for the quick responses. I'm going to fork out the bucks
for the bucket seats in the back and the aileron mod. I think I might look
at providing multiple attach points for the push/pull rods that link the
aileron components together inside the cabin and between the fuselage and
wing so that I can fly, adjust, fly, readjust, etc. I'll start with the
original position and move towards more aileron deflection with less stick
movement. Thanks again for your wonderful insights.

Mike Kimball
SR #044

P.S. I'll try and get pictures of Rob's buckled tailcone to post so that we
can all see where it happened.

-----Original Message-----
From: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com [mailto:murphy-rebel@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Bob Patterson
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 4:54 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Opinions - Seats, aileron spades



Hi Mike !

I know it's more money, but <I'd> go for the buckets in the
back in a minute !! You can extend the seat track right back into
the baggage area if you want, and it can be VERY hand to just pop
ONE seat out to make room for large cargo, or even line 3 up on
the left side and leave the floor open all the way up, for loading
those 2 x 4's for the cottage !!! The flexibility is wonderful !

The leather's nice, if you can afford it, but a seat with
fabric in the center and Naugahyde on the sides will keep you cool
in summer, and wear well....

I haven't flown the spade mod., but I suspect you are right
- it will fly fine without it. Possibly the mod <does> make the
ailerons more effective, if it increases the surface area. You might
ask Robin Dyck and Brian Godden about the changes in function ...
I certainly found the ailerons (and elevators) to be pleasantly light
and adequate in all conditions. Mind you, I don't think I have
even 100 hours on the SR/Moose...

The stick throw isn't a big deal - you get used to it, like
many aircraft. The first time I landed with full flap (probably
best to use only 2 notches to avoid hard arrivals !), with a cross-
wind from the right, I was surprised to find my leg trapped between
the stick and the flap handle !! Not a big deal, just stretch the
leg down, but something to think about.... Generally, you're
unlikely to ever need full deflection in normal flying.

It may well be that a bit of tinkering with the arm length
can give you the best balance of control force and travel. We certainly
changed horn lengths several times on the early Rebels to get the
great balance they now have. Be careful not to get too far into
high loads on the horns & the rest of the mechanism .. the factory
can help if you send drawings and calculations.

Please let everone know if you find a combination you like -
I'm sure others would like to try it too. Personally, I wouldn't
mind if the ailerons were a bit heavier if they had more power in
smaller movements. (Of course, I love the Rebel ailerons with
full flap ... ;-) :-) )

....bobp

----------------------------orig.-------------------------------------
At 03:43 PM 6/12/02 -0800, you wrote:

Hey folks,

I need your opinions - FAST. I've got a couple of days to make a decision
about some stuff I want to order from MAM so I can slip my parts into Mike
Davis' crate coming up in July.

I was going to get seat covers for the front and material for the bench

back

seat, but after calling Chris Gill to ask how much material he used for the
bench seat he told me I should reconsider the bench. He says it's too far
forward and leaves little leg room for the passengers. He admits being

6'4"

doesn't help. He also says that there's little space between the top of

the

bench and the roof and retrieving stuff from the cargo area in flight is
difficult. He says that if he had it to do over he would get those little
seats they make for the C-185 that fold up against the side or get buckets
for the back. Does anyone know if the back buckets can be positioned
farther back than the bench? Other opinions about the bench versus the
buckets?

Chris also noted that when landing in strong crosswinds he asks the front
passenger to slide their seat back to get their legs out of the way of the
stick. Apparently, full throw on the stick didn't take into account the
presence of legs. The pilot's legs are still a problem but at least he's
ready for it. Chris is thinking of doing the aileron spade mod to help.

It

seems to me that the mod lightens the stick pressure but still wouldn't

help

get more aileron with less stick throw. Anyone thought about shortening

the

control horns somewhere in the aileron system to get more aileron

deflection

with the same amount of stick throw? Add the aileron spade mod to make up
for the increased stick force with the shorter control horn? Not big
changes. Just hook on to the aileron horns on the roof a bit closer to the
pivot point. Same with the control horns that stick out through the
fuselage cabin ribs. Just hook on a bit closer to the pivot point.

If I decide to hook everything up as originally designed, what's your
opinion about the necessity of the aileron spade mod? My guess is that

it's

fine without the mod, and maybe MAM is just tweaking to try and get a

better

balance between pitch and roll forces on the stick.

Lastly, I'm sad to report that Rob Merdes was crawling into his tailcone
with the fuselage on its gear to install cable fairleads and pulleys, and a
bit of a bounce trying to get back out caused the tailcone to buckle. Not
sure exactly where it buckled, but apparently 180 pounds clear back between
bulkhead D and F is not a good idea. Having the top, rearmost corner wraps
and rear, upper wrap just ahead of the fin removed probably didn't help
matters. He's got parts on order but he's put his project on hold for a

bit

while he contemplates the cruelty of the homebuilding god.

Mike Kimball
SR #044


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[Mike Davis]

I haven't been over to Rob's yet to look at his "wrinkled tail", but I
talked to him in the phone today... seems that when he was crawling back out
he put his hand against the side skin and leaned on it a bit. As soon as it
bowed out, the whole thing buckled. I think the key points here are that he
had the fuselage on the gear... so the weight was all the way back on the
tail wheel, giving it the longest arm possible. Also, he didn't have the
corner wraps on the rear end of the tail cone. I think he still had 2 off
the top sides... I'm sure Mike Kimball will know for sure about this. This
means that the flat skins were all that was keeping it straight. I'd be
surprised, and Rob certainly feels, that if he had the corner wraps on,
there would not have been any problem. Lucky for him, I'm going to pick up
my kit next month, so they are just going to put new skins in my crate for
him. MAM has really been great about consolidating parts shipments for us
"Alaskans" since shipping up here is so outrageous.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: <rickhm@mindspring.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: Opinions - Seats, aileron spades

I'd like to hear more about where the tail cone buckled.... Thinking about

repairing this doesn't sound fun. I am close to puttin in my corner warps
and don't want to create another problem later when I put in cables. On the
172 there is a inspection plate on the side where you can reach in and
access pullys... Guess we know why! I hate the idea of cutting a hole back
there. If we knew where it buckled it could be supported so it didn't
happen......

Rick
SR070

On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:43:34 -0800 Mike Kimball <mkimball@gci.net> wrote:

Hey folks,

I need your opinions - FAST. I've got a couple of days to make a decision
about some stuff I want to order from MAM so I can slip my parts into Mike
Davis' crate coming up in July.

I was going to get seat covers for the front and material for the bench

back

seat, but after calling Chris Gill to ask how much material he used for

the

bench seat he told me I should reconsider the bench. He says it's too far
forward and leaves little leg room for the passengers. He admits being

6'4"

doesn't help. He also says that there's little space between the top of

the

bench and the roof and retrieving stuff from the cargo area in flight is
difficult. He says that if he had it to do over he would get those little
seats they make for the C-185 that fold up against the side or get buckets
for the back. Does anyone know if the back buckets can be positioned
farther back than the bench? Other opinions about the bench versus the
buckets?

Chris also noted that when landing in strong crosswinds he asks the front
passenger to slide their seat back to get their legs out of the way of the
stick. Apparently, full throw on the stick didn't take into account the
presence of legs. The pilot's legs are still a problem but at least he's
ready for it. Chris is thinking of doing the aileron spade mod to help.

It

seems to me that the mod lightens the stick pressure but still wouldn't

help

get more aileron with less stick throw. Anyone thought about shortening

the

control horns somewhere in the aileron system to get more aileron

deflection

with the same amount of stick throw? Add the aileron spade mod to make up
for the increased stick force with the shorter control horn? Not big
changes. Just hook on to the aileron horns on the roof a bit closer to

the

pivot point. Same with the control horns that stick out through the
fuselage cabin ribs. Just hook on a bit closer to the pivot point.

If I decide to hook everything up as originally designed, what's your
opinion about the necessity of the aileron spade mod? My guess is that

it's

fine without the mod, and maybe MAM is just tweaking to try and get a

better

balance between pitch and roll forces on the stick.

Lastly, I'm sad to report that Rob Merdes was crawling into his tailcone
with the fuselage on its gear to install cable fairleads and pulleys, and

a

bit of a bounce trying to get back out caused the tailcone to buckle. Not
sure exactly where it buckled, but apparently 180 pounds clear back

between

bulkhead D and F is not a good idea. Having the top, rearmost corner

wraps

and rear, upper wrap just ahead of the fin removed probably didn't help
matters. He's got parts on order but he's put his project on hold for a

bit

while he contemplates the cruelty of the homebuilding god.

Mike Kimball
SR #044

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[Al & Deb Paxhia]

Mike,
The bench seat back bracket hangs into the baggage area. When I was building
the fuselage the bench seat bracket banged me enough that it had to go.
That's when I decided to go with the bucket seats. The buckets can be
positioned farther back and it only takes a couple of minutes to take them
out or they can be slid forward to get more baggage room.
I also thought about shortening some of the aileron linkage arms but always
came up with a reason not to. The shorter arms will increase the amount of
aileron down deflection when the flaps are in. I find that there is just
minimum aileron authority with full flaps now. I was not comfortable in a
turn to final with full flaps.
If you shorten the arms in the cabin the aileron cables interfere with the
push tubes, if you shorten the ones in the wing root area the push tubes
interfere with the doublers on the aileron cable pulleys.
I modified the center bell crank, making the arms 1/2 " longer on each side
and changing the angle from 45 degrees to 90 degrees. This setup worked
well.
Al

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Kimball" <mkimball@gci.net>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 4:43 PM
Subject: Opinions - Seats, aileron spades

Hey folks,

I need your opinions - FAST. I've got a couple of days to make a decision
about some stuff I want to order from MAM so I can slip my parts into Mike
Davis' crate coming up in July.

I was going to get seat covers for the front and material for the bench

back

seat, but after calling Chris Gill to ask how much material he used for

the

bench seat he told me I should reconsider the bench. He says it's too far
forward and leaves little leg room for the passengers. He admits being

6'4"

doesn't help. He also says that there's little space between the top of

the

bench and the roof and retrieving stuff from the cargo area in flight is
difficult. He says that if he had it to do over he would get those little
seats they make for the C-185 that fold up against the side or get buckets
for the back. Does anyone know if the back buckets can be positioned
farther back than the bench? Other opinions about the bench versus the
buckets?

Chris also noted that when landing in strong crosswinds he asks the front
passenger to slide their seat back to get their legs out of the way of the
stick. Apparently, full throw on the stick didn't take into account the
presence of legs. The pilot's legs are still a problem but at least he's
ready for it. Chris is thinking of doing the aileron spade mod to help.

It

seems to me that the mod lightens the stick pressure but still wouldn't

help

get more aileron with less stick throw. Anyone thought about shortening

the

control horns somewhere in the aileron system to get more aileron

deflection

with the same amount of stick throw? Add the aileron spade mod to make up
for the increased stick force with the shorter control horn? Not big
changes. Just hook on to the aileron horns on the roof a bit closer to

the

pivot point. Same with the control horns that stick out through the
fuselage cabin ribs. Just hook on a bit closer to the pivot point.

If I decide to hook everything up as originally designed, what's your
opinion about the necessity of the aileron spade mod? My guess is that

it's

fine without the mod, and maybe MAM is just tweaking to try and get a

better

balance between pitch and roll forces on the stick.

Lastly, I'm sad to report that Rob Merdes was crawling into his tailcone
with the fuselage on its gear to install cable fairleads and pulleys, and

a

bit of a bounce trying to get back out caused the tailcone to buckle. Not
sure exactly where it buckled, but apparently 180 pounds clear back

between

bulkhead D and F is not a good idea. Having the top, rearmost corner

wraps

and rear, upper wrap just ahead of the fin removed probably didn't help
matters. He's got parts on order but he's put his project on hold for a

bit

while he contemplates the cruelty of the homebuilding god.

Mike Kimball
SR #044

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[Mike Kimball]

Thanks Al! Looks like you've already been through a lot of what I was going
to look at. Saves me a lot of time. As for that dang bucket seat bracket -
since I have decided to go with the buckets in the back I guess I'll get out
the ole hacksaw and hack 'em off. Don't think they'd be much good as cargo
tie down points way up there.

Mike Kimball
SR #044

-----Original Message-----
From: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com [mailto:murphy-rebel@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
Al & Deb Paxhia
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 9:23 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: Opinions - Seats, aileron spades


Mike,
The bench seat back bracket hangs into the baggage area. When I was building
the fuselage the bench seat bracket banged me enough that it had to go.
That's when I decided to go with the bucket seats. The buckets can be
positioned farther back and it only takes a couple of minutes to take them
out or they can be slid forward to get more baggage room.
I also thought about shortening some of the aileron linkage arms but always
came up with a reason not to. The shorter arms will increase the amount of
aileron down deflection when the flaps are in. I find that there is just
minimum aileron authority with full flaps now. I was not comfortable in a
turn to final with full flaps.
If you shorten the arms in the cabin the aileron cables interfere with the
push tubes, if you shorten the ones in the wing root area the push tubes
interfere with the doublers on the aileron cable pulleys.
I modified the center bell crank, making the arms 1/2 " longer on each side
and changing the angle from 45 degrees to 90 degrees. This setup worked
well.
Al

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Kimball" <mkimball@gci.net>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 4:43 PM
Subject: Opinions - Seats, aileron spades

Hey folks,

I need your opinions - FAST. I've got a couple of days to make a decision
about some stuff I want to order from MAM so I can slip my parts into Mike
Davis' crate coming up in July.

I was going to get seat covers for the front and material for the bench

back

seat, but after calling Chris Gill to ask how much material he used for

the

bench seat he told me I should reconsider the bench. He says it's too far
forward and leaves little leg room for the passengers. He admits being

6'4"

doesn't help. He also says that there's little space between the top of

the

bench and the roof and retrieving stuff from the cargo area in flight is
difficult. He says that if he had it to do over he would get those little
seats they make for the C-185 that fold up against the side or get buckets
for the back. Does anyone know if the back buckets can be positioned
farther back than the bench? Other opinions about the bench versus the
buckets?

Chris also noted that when landing in strong crosswinds he asks the front
passenger to slide their seat back to get their legs out of the way of the
stick. Apparently, full throw on the stick didn't take into account the
presence of legs. The pilot's legs are still a problem but at least he's
ready for it. Chris is thinking of doing the aileron spade mod to help.

It

seems to me that the mod lightens the stick pressure but still wouldn't

help

get more aileron with less stick throw. Anyone thought about shortening

the

control horns somewhere in the aileron system to get more aileron

deflection

with the same amount of stick throw? Add the aileron spade mod to make up
for the increased stick force with the shorter control horn? Not big
changes. Just hook on to the aileron horns on the roof a bit closer to

the

pivot point. Same with the control horns that stick out through the
fuselage cabin ribs. Just hook on a bit closer to the pivot point.

If I decide to hook everything up as originally designed, what's your
opinion about the necessity of the aileron spade mod? My guess is that

it's

fine without the mod, and maybe MAM is just tweaking to try and get a

better

balance between pitch and roll forces on the stick.

Lastly, I'm sad to report that Rob Merdes was crawling into his tailcone
with the fuselage on its gear to install cable fairleads and pulleys, and

a

bit of a bounce trying to get back out caused the tailcone to buckle. Not
sure exactly where it buckled, but apparently 180 pounds clear back

between

bulkhead D and F is not a good idea. Having the top, rearmost corner

wraps

and rear, upper wrap just ahead of the fin removed probably didn't help
matters. He's got parts on order but he's put his project on hold for a

bit

while he contemplates the cruelty of the homebuilding god.

Mike Kimball
SR #044

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[klehman]

Oh you mean Murphycleese.
My wife named him awhile ago and gave me a copy of Murphy's Laws. ;)

Ken

Mike Kimball wrote:

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He's got parts on order but he's put his project on hold for a bit
while he contemplates the cruelty of the homebuilding god.

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