Fueling the Moose

[Al & Deb Paxhia]

Has anyone thought about fueling the Moose on anphib floats? My filler caps
are on the outboard side of the tank and the top of the wing will be over
9'. Most FBO's seem to have short ladders, I have not seen anything tall
enough to reach. One though is to move the filler caps to the root end of
the tank, handles, steps, what do you think?
Al




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[Mike Davis]

Al,

I imagine you could do that, but then you wouldn't be able to fill the tank
all the way, and you would always have air/moisture in the tank.

How do they fuel a Cessna Caravan or a Beaver/Otter?

Mike
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Al & Deb Paxhia" <paxhia2@attbi.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 9:25 PM
Subject: Fueling the Moose

Has anyone thought about fueling the Moose on anphib floats? My filler

caps

are on the outboard side of the tank and the top of the wing will be over
9'. Most FBO's seem to have short ladders, I have not seen anything tall
enough to reach. One though is to move the filler caps to the root end of
the tank, handles, steps, what do you think?
Al

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[klehman]

Hand filling/pumping was a major requirement for the Beaver and Otter
and it was great - tanks were in the belly with big caps that could be
removed with your mittens on.
Ken

Mike Davis wrote:

Al,

I imagine you could do that, but then you wouldn't be able to fill the tank
all the way, and you would always have air/moisture in the tank.

How do they fuel a Cessna Caravan or a Beaver/Otter?

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[Bob Patterson]

Hi Al !

This is another reason I'm not a big fan of the really-
extended size tanks - it's hard to reach the fillers !! :-)
You can't move the fillers inboard, because the dihedral would
prevent filling the tanks.

On amphibs, most people extend an aluminum angle forward -
sometimes it's an extention of the angle used as an entry step.
This piece extends about 6 - 8" forward of the front float support,
about 6" down from the top, and provides a step for fuelling.

Beyond that, I have seen several pilots planting a foot
out near the middle of the strut - makes me cringe !!
But I guess it beats falling in the water ! :-)

To be honest, I was tempted to rivet on small handles to
hold onto up there - have seen several floatplanes with these ...
This is one advantage of the 'standard' fuel necks (as opposed to
'flush' ;-) ) - they provide something to steady you in a pinch !
I'm sure both Wayne and I have avoided nasty falls by grabbing
those necks a time or 2 !!

Once you have figured out where you want to put your hands
and feet for fuelling, <I> wouldn't hestitate to rivet on whatever
aluminum angles and handles you need to be safe - the extra drag
won't matter much, after the floats, and the extra safety will
be WELL WORTH IT !!! You don't want to slip and fall 10 feet
to that rocky shoreline in the middle of nowhere - it can be hard
to fly with a broken arm (or worse) !!!

The joys of amphibs - they make your Rebel into :
"The world's biggest jungle gym" !!! :-)

You'll get LOTS of exercise pre-flighting the beast !!
And even MORE if you have the M-14 !!! ;-)

.....bobp

PS
The Moose has SOOOOOoooooo much room that you can carry
along a fancy extendable folding ladder like Robin had in the
factory airplane - saved me some grief several times !
(But they don't work well on water !!! ;-) :-) )

-------------------------------------orig.------------------------------
At 10:25 PM 2/22/02 -0800, you wrote:

Has anyone thought about fueling the Moose on anphib floats? My filler caps
are on the outboard side of the tank and the top of the wing will be over
9'. Most FBO's seem to have short ladders, I have not seen anything tall
enough to reach. One though is to move the filler caps to the root end of
the tank, handles, steps, what do you think?
Al


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[Al & Deb Paxhia]

Hi Guys,
I am going to install handles on the wing and a step on the fuselage so I
can pull myself up on the wing and turn my butt around, slide down to the
"flush cap" and fuel. This has to be the exception and not the rule. The
selfserves will be a problem, but if there is a fuel truck at the FBO the
top of the truck will also work as a platform.

Another thought is to install a pair of quick disconnect hydraulic fittings
in the bottom of the wing into the tank. One fitting for fuel, the other to
a tube that would go to the top inside of tank as an overflow and vent for
filling. Into the overflow fitting a line would plug in and go to a can on
the ground. I don't know how to connect to standard gas nozzle quickly and
leak proof to the male half of the quick disconnect fitting. Also would
there be enough pressure to fill bottom up? Would the FBO let you clamp on
their hose?
Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson" <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: Fueling the Moose

Hi Al !

This is another reason I'm not a big fan of the really-
extended size tanks - it's hard to reach the fillers !! :-)
You can't move the fillers inboard, because the dihedral would
prevent filling the tanks.

On amphibs, most people extend an aluminum angle forward -
sometimes it's an extention of the angle used as an entry step.
This piece extends about 6 - 8" forward of the front float support,
about 6" down from the top, and provides a step for fuelling.

Beyond that, I have seen several pilots planting a foot
out near the middle of the strut - makes me cringe !!
But I guess it beats falling in the water ! :-)

To be honest, I was tempted to rivet on small handles to
hold onto up there - have seen several floatplanes with these ...
This is one advantage of the 'standard' fuel necks (as opposed to
'flush' ;-) ) - they provide something to steady you in a pinch !
I'm sure both Wayne and I have avoided nasty falls by grabbing
those necks a time or 2 !!

Once you have figured out where you want to put your hands
and feet for fuelling, <I> wouldn't hestitate to rivet on whatever
aluminum angles and handles you need to be safe - the extra drag
won't matter much, after the floats, and the extra safety will
be WELL WORTH IT !!! You don't want to slip and fall 10 feet
to that rocky shoreline in the middle of nowhere - it can be hard
to fly with a broken arm (or worse) !!!

The joys of amphibs - they make your Rebel into :
"The world's biggest jungle gym" !!! :-)

You'll get LOTS of exercise pre-flighting the beast !!
And even MORE if you have the M-14 !!! ;-)

.....bobp

PS
The Moose has SOOOOOoooooo much room that you can carry
along a fancy extendable folding ladder like Robin had in the
factory airplane - saved me some grief several times !
(But they don't work well on water !!! ;-) :-) )

-------------------------------------orig.------------------------------
At 10:25 PM 2/22/02 -0800, you wrote:

Has anyone thought about fueling the Moose on anphib floats? My filler

caps

are on the outboard side of the tank and the top of the wing will be over
9'. Most FBO's seem to have short ladders, I have not seen anything tall
enough to reach. One though is to move the filler caps to the root end of
the tank, handles, steps, what do you think?
Al


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[Bob Patterson]

Hi Drew !

They're not weak, but were never designed to have a couple
of hundred pounds ++ pressed into the <middle> of the span !!!
Over time, this could cause problems ... I sure wouldn't
want to try that with some (most) production airplanes !!!!

You could use a spot of anti-slip paint, if you wanted,
though ...

....bobp

-------------------------------orig.--------------------------------
At 07:26 PM 2/25/02 -0500, you wrote:

Bob why does stepping on the wing strut make you cringe? Are they weak or
are you worried about the slip hazard?
Drew Dalgleish

At 10:51 PM 2/24/2002 -0500, you wrote:

Hi Al !

This is another reason I'm not a big fan of the really-
extended size tanks - it's hard to reach the fillers !! :-)
You can't move the fillers inboard, because the dihedral would
prevent filling the tanks.

On amphibs, most people extend an aluminum angle forward -
sometimes it's an extention of the angle used as an entry step.
This piece extends about 6 - 8" forward of the front float support,
about 6" down from the top, and provides a step for fuelling.

Beyond that, I have seen several pilots planting a foot
out near the middle of the strut - makes me cringe !!
But I guess it beats falling in the water ! :-)

To be honest, I was tempted to rivet on small handles to
hold onto up there - have seen several floatplanes with these ...
This is one advantage of the 'standard' fuel necks (as opposed to
'flush' ;-) ) - they provide something to steady you in a pinch !
I'm sure both Wayne and I have avoided nasty falls by grabbing
those necks a time or 2 !!

Once you have figured out where you want to put your hands
and feet for fuelling, <I> wouldn't hestitate to rivet on whatever
aluminum angles and handles you need to be safe - the extra drag
won't matter much, after the floats, and the extra safety will
be WELL WORTH IT !!! You don't want to slip and fall 10 feet
to that rocky shoreline in the middle of nowhere - it can be hard
to fly with a broken arm (or worse) !!!

The joys of amphibs - they make your Rebel into :
"The world's biggest jungle gym" !!! :-)

You'll get LOTS of exercise pre-flighting the beast !!
And even MORE if you have the M-14 !!! ;-)

.....bobp

PS
The Moose has SOOOOOoooooo much room that you can carry
along a fancy extendable folding ladder like Robin had in the
factory airplane - saved me some grief several times !
(But they don't work well on water !!! ;-) :-) )

-------------------------------------orig.------------------------------
At 10:25 PM 2/22/02 -0800, you wrote:

Has anyone thought about fueling the Moose on anphib floats? My filler caps
are on the outboard side of the tank and the top of the wing will be over
9'. Most FBO's seem to have short ladders, I have not seen anything tall
enough to reach. One though is to move the filler caps to the root end of
the tank, handles, steps, what do you think?
Al


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[Drew and Jan]

Bob why does stepping on the wing strut make you cringe? Are they weak or
are you worried about the slip hazard?
Drew Dalgleish

At 10:51 PM 2/24/2002 -0500, you wrote:

Hi Al !

This is another reason I'm not a big fan of the really-
extended size tanks - it's hard to reach the fillers !! :-)
You can't move the fillers inboard, because the dihedral would
prevent filling the tanks.

On amphibs, most people extend an aluminum angle forward -
sometimes it's an extention of the angle used as an entry step.
This piece extends about 6 - 8" forward of the front float support,
about 6" down from the top, and provides a step for fuelling.

Beyond that, I have seen several pilots planting a foot
out near the middle of the strut - makes me cringe !!
But I guess it beats falling in the water ! :-)

To be honest, I was tempted to rivet on small handles to
hold onto up there - have seen several floatplanes with these ...
This is one advantage of the 'standard' fuel necks (as opposed to
'flush' ;-) ) - they provide something to steady you in a pinch !
I'm sure both Wayne and I have avoided nasty falls by grabbing
those necks a time or 2 !!

Once you have figured out where you want to put your hands
and feet for fuelling, <I> wouldn't hestitate to rivet on whatever
aluminum angles and handles you need to be safe - the extra drag
won't matter much, after the floats, and the extra safety will
be WELL WORTH IT !!! You don't want to slip and fall 10 feet
to that rocky shoreline in the middle of nowhere - it can be hard
to fly with a broken arm (or worse) !!!

The joys of amphibs - they make your Rebel into :
"The world's biggest jungle gym" !!! :-)

You'll get LOTS of exercise pre-flighting the beast !!
And even MORE if you have the M-14 !!! ;-)

.....bobp

PS
The Moose has SOOOOOoooooo much room that you can carry
along a fancy extendable folding ladder like Robin had in the
factory airplane - saved me some grief several times !
(But they don't work well on water !!! ;-) :-) )

-------------------------------------orig.------------------------------
At 10:25 PM 2/22/02 -0800, you wrote:

Has anyone thought about fueling the Moose on anphib floats? My filler caps
are on the outboard side of the tank and the top of the wing will be over
9'. Most FBO's seem to have short ladders, I have not seen anything tall
enough to reach. One though is to move the filler caps to the root end of
the tank, handles, steps, what do you think?
Al


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[Drew and Jan]

Hi Al
There's enough pressure to fill from the bottom up. It's how jets do it. I
can think of some problems though.
I imagine it would depend on the FBO weather they'd let you clamp onto
their hose. Theres also at least 3 different sizes of nozzles that I've
seen so you would need various adapters. A #12 hydraulic quick connect is
about 2 1/2 - 3" in diameter 3-4" long and probably weighs 5lb. What would
you do with the overflow gas after catching it in a can?
Drew Dalgleish

Another thought is to install a pair of quick disconnect hydraulic fittings
in the bottom of the wing into the tank. One fitting for fuel, the other to
a tube that would go to the top inside of tank as an overflow and vent for
filling. Into the overflow fitting a line would plug in and go to a can on
the ground. I don't know how to connect to standard gas nozzle quickly and
leak proof to the male half of the quick disconnect fitting. Also would
there be enough pressure to fill bottom up? Would the FBO let you clamp on
their hose?
Al

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[Al & Deb Paxhia]

Hi Drew,
I was thinking of a hydraulic fitting more in the 3/4" to 1" size. Overflow
fuel can be a problem if things get out of hand. Since there is still
plenty to do on this airplane to get it flying changes to the fuel system
will have to wait.
Al
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From: "Drew and Jan" <drewjan@execulink.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: Fueling the Moose

Hi Al
There's enough pressure to fill from the bottom up. It's how jets do it. I
can think of some problems though.
I imagine it would depend on the FBO weather they'd let you clamp onto
their hose. Theres also at least 3 different sizes of nozzles that I've
seen so you would need various adapters. A #12 hydraulic quick connect is
about 2 1/2 - 3" in diameter 3-4" long and probably weighs 5lb. What would
you do with the overflow gas after catching it in a can?
Drew Dalgleish

Another thought is to install a pair of quick disconnect hydraulic

fittings

in the bottom of the wing into the tank. One fitting for fuel, the other

to

a tube that would go to the top inside of tank as an overflow and vent

for

filling. Into the overflow fitting a line would plug in and go to a can

on

the ground. I don't know how to connect to standard gas nozzle quickly

and

leak proof to the male half of the quick disconnect fitting. Also would
there be enough pressure to fill bottom up? Would the FBO let you clamp

on

their hose?
Al

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[Drew and Jan]

I get your drift Bob I was just thinking that the foot on the strut is
mostly for balance and not putting 200++lbs centrespan. Don't most cessnas
have a step bolted to the strut?
Drew

At 08:02 PM 2/25/2002 -0500, you wrote:

Hi Drew !

They're not weak, but were never designed to have a couple
of hundred pounds ++ pressed into the <middle> of the span !!!
Over time, this could cause problems ... I sure wouldn't
want to try that with some (most) production airplanes !!!!

You could use a spot of anti-slip paint, if you wanted,
though ...

....bobp

-------------------------------orig.--------------------------------
At 07:26 PM 2/25/02 -0500, you wrote:

Bob why does stepping on the wing strut make you cringe? Are they weak or
are you worried about the slip hazard?
Drew Dalgleish

At 10:51 PM 2/24/2002 -0500, you wrote:

Hi Al !

This is another reason I'm not a big fan of the really-
extended size tanks - it's hard to reach the fillers !! :-)
You can't move the fillers inboard, because the dihedral would
prevent filling the tanks.

On amphibs, most people extend an aluminum angle forward -
sometimes it's an extention of the angle used as an entry step.
This piece extends about 6 - 8" forward of the front float support,
about 6" down from the top, and provides a step for fuelling.

Beyond that, I have seen several pilots planting a foot
out near the middle of the strut - makes me cringe !!
But I guess it beats falling in the water ! :-)

To be honest, I was tempted to rivet on small handles to
hold onto up there - have seen several floatplanes with these ...
This is one advantage of the 'standard' fuel necks (as opposed to
'flush' ;-) ) - they provide something to steady you in a pinch !
I'm sure both Wayne and I have avoided nasty falls by grabbing
those necks a time or 2 !!

Once you have figured out where you want to put your hands
and feet for fuelling, <I> wouldn't hestitate to rivet on whatever
aluminum angles and handles you need to be safe - the extra drag
won't matter much, after the floats, and the extra safety will
be WELL WORTH IT !!! You don't want to slip and fall 10 feet
to that rocky shoreline in the middle of nowhere - it can be hard
to fly with a broken arm (or worse) !!!

The joys of amphibs - they make your Rebel into :
"The world's biggest jungle gym" !!! :-)

You'll get LOTS of exercise pre-flighting the beast !!
And even MORE if you have the M-14 !!! ;-)

.....bobp

PS
The Moose has SOOOOOoooooo much room that you can carry
along a fancy extendable folding ladder like Robin had in the
factory airplane - saved me some grief several times !
(But they don't work well on water !!! ;-) :-) )

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[Drew and Jan]

Hi Al
A #12 hydralic fitting is 3/4" Thats the minimum size hose at most FBOs.
You have an interesting idea but I don't think hydraulic quick connects are
the way to go. also most of the ones I use leak a little even when new and
would probably spray if used for fuel.
A much wiser and more experienced builder than me once told me to just
build the plane to the plans and don't add any extras. he didn't even think
I should instal a radio theres lots of time to put that stuff in after your
flying. Your plane will never be finished but you can be flying a lot
sooner if you focus on whats necessary for flight. Like Curt says keep at
it it's worth it.
Drew

At 05:25 PM 2/25/2002 -0800, you wrote:

Hi Drew,
I was thinking of a hydraulic fitting more in the 3/4" to 1" size. Overflow
fuel can be a problem if things get out of hand. Since there is still
plenty to do on this airplane to get it flying changes to the fuel system
will have to wait.
Al
----- Original Message -----
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To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: Fueling the Moose

Hi Al
There's enough pressure to fill from the bottom up. It's how jets do it. I
can think of some problems though.
I imagine it would depend on the FBO weather they'd let you clamp onto
their hose. Theres also at least 3 different sizes of nozzles that I've
seen so you would need various adapters. A #12 hydraulic quick connect is
about 2 1/2 - 3" in diameter 3-4" long and probably weighs 5lb. What would
you do with the overflow gas after catching it in a can?
Drew Dalgleish

Another thought is to install a pair of quick disconnect hydraulic

fittings

in the bottom of the wing into the tank. One fitting for fuel, the other

to

a tube that would go to the top inside of tank as an overflow and vent

for

filling. Into the overflow fitting a line would plug in and go to a can

on

the ground. I don't know how to connect to standard gas nozzle quickly

and

leak proof to the male half of the quick disconnect fitting. Also would
there be enough pressure to fill bottom up? Would the FBO let you clamp

on

their hose?
Al

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[George Coy]

Hi All,
Now that I have received my kit I am "officially" a builder as well as an
engine supplier.
I have faced a similar problem in refueling aircraft with wing tanks
located high off the ground. How about two fillers? Use the inboard if you
do not need all of the fuel. I once owned an AN-2 aircraft. It is 20 feet to
the top wing and the fuel fillers. They had a system of climbing up the rear
of the fuselage and walking to the top wing. We then lowered a rope to the
guy with the hose. This is not practical on the MOOSE. They also had a
second way. They put an electric high capacity fuel pump and a small header
tank in the lower part of the fuselage. You could refuel the aircraft from
drums with this system. Hook a hose to the pump and put the hose in the drum
and turn the pump on. The or the other way was to start pumping from the
header tank with the onboard pump and then start filling the header tank
with the refueling hose. Worked really well as the Russian systems often do.

George Coy




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[Don Boardman]

Hi George,

I was excited for you when Randy indicated that you FINALLY received your
kit, welcome as a builder.

An approach I used for my CH 701 amphib is somewhat similar to what George
describes. It was practical for the 701 when one did not want to lift 5 gal
cans (auto fuel Rotax 912) to the top of the wing.
I am not sure if the same approach is practical with the 80 gal fuel
capacity of the "Muskie" (our amphibs name).

But For what it's worth:

The 701 had three tanks 2 @ six gallons in the wings and a 7 gal in front of
the instrument panel. The three tanks where plumbed as one with the top of
the fuselage tank vented to the right wing tank. All three tanks ran
downhill to a single sump about the size of a half a soup can located under
the pilots seat.

A hydraulic quick disconnect ( a few drips on occasion) was fitted to the
bottom of the sump along side the quick drain, both protruded from the
fuselage bottom near the left edge of the aircraft on the pilots side. Both
where protected from accidental damage. Adjacent to the quick disconnect was
a power plug supplying 12 volts.

A facet fuel pump was fitted with the other end of the hydraulic quick
disconnect, a short cord to fit the 12 volt power plug and a length of fuel
hose.

Now you have to keep in mind that the 701 had a 19 gal capacity and burned 4
GPH (boy those where the days).

While one was doing a preflight etc. you simply inserted the hose into the
five gal can of fuel, connected the hydraulic fitting, plugged in the power
and the little facet pump fueled the system via the set up at the bottom of
the sump. I must admit that I never emptied more that two five gal cans this
way but at times it was more convenient than lugging the cans to the top of
the wing trying to balance a 35 Lb. can of fuel. Pouring into a funnel and
at the same time trying to save the paint took some effort.

I have been pondering a similar system for the Muskie and have not yet
researched enough to know if there is hardware with reasonable weight etc.
which would provide enough capacity to pump the extra fuel needed by the
Muskie in a timely manner.

I like the idea of having the option of pumping fuel into the system. It
worked like a charm from the sump area, an attractive idea when one finds it
necessary or economically prudent to fuel from five gallon cans or 55 gal
barrels.

Regards,

Don Boardman
& Partner
Randy Bowers
Muskie #130 M-14PF Aerocet 3400 Amphibs Rome, NY

From: "George Coy" <gesoco@together.net>
Reply-To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:33:35 -0500
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Fueling the Moose

Hi All,
Now that I have received my kit I am "officially" a builder as well as an
engine supplier.
I have faced a similar problem in refueling aircraft with wing tanks
located high off the ground. How about two fillers? Use the inboard if you
do not need all of the fuel. I once owned an AN-2 aircraft. It is 20 feet to
the top wing and the fuel fillers. They had a system of climbing up the rear
of the fuselage and walking to the top wing. We then lowered a rope to the
guy with the hose. This is not practical on the MOOSE. They also had a
second way. They put an electric high capacity fuel pump and a small header
tank in the lower part of the fuselage. You could refuel the aircraft from
drums with this system. Hook a hose to the pump and put the hose in the drum
and turn the pump on. The or the other way was to start pumping from the
header tank with the onboard pump and then start filling the header tank
with the refueling hose. Worked really well as the Russian systems often do.

George Coy


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[Al & Deb Paxhia]

Hi Don,
If you were going to use a transfer system, a bladder in the float locker of
those Aerocet 3400 anphibs will hold a lot fuel. Good choice on floats, when
do you take delivery? Haven't seen the anphibs but those guys put out a
great straight float.
Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Boardman" <dboardm3@twcny.rr.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: Fueling the Moose

Hi George,

I was excited for you when Randy indicated that you FINALLY received your
kit, welcome as a builder.

An approach I used for my CH 701 amphib is somewhat similar to what George
describes. It was practical for the 701 when one did not want to lift 5

gal

cans (auto fuel Rotax 912) to the top of the wing.
I am not sure if the same approach is practical with the 80 gal fuel
capacity of the "Muskie" (our amphibs name).

But For what it's worth:

The 701 had three tanks 2 @ six gallons in the wings and a 7 gal in front

of

the instrument panel. The three tanks where plumbed as one with the top of
the fuselage tank vented to the right wing tank. All three tanks ran
downhill to a single sump about the size of a half a soup can located

under

the pilots seat.

A hydraulic quick disconnect ( a few drips on occasion) was fitted to the
bottom of the sump along side the quick drain, both protruded from the
fuselage bottom near the left edge of the aircraft on the pilots side.

Both

where protected from accidental damage. Adjacent to the quick disconnect

was

a power plug supplying 12 volts.

A facet fuel pump was fitted with the other end of the hydraulic quick
disconnect, a short cord to fit the 12 volt power plug and a length of

fuel

hose.

Now you have to keep in mind that the 701 had a 19 gal capacity and burned

4

GPH (boy those where the days).

While one was doing a preflight etc. you simply inserted the hose into the
five gal can of fuel, connected the hydraulic fitting, plugged in the

power

and the little facet pump fueled the system via the set up at the bottom

of

the sump. I must admit that I never emptied more that two five gal cans

this

way but at times it was more convenient than lugging the cans to the top

of

the wing trying to balance a 35 Lb. can of fuel. Pouring into a funnel and
at the same time trying to save the paint took some effort.

I have been pondering a similar system for the Muskie and have not yet
researched enough to know if there is hardware with reasonable weight etc.
which would provide enough capacity to pump the extra fuel needed by the
Muskie in a timely manner.

I like the idea of having the option of pumping fuel into the system. It
worked like a charm from the sump area, an attractive idea when one finds

it

necessary or economically prudent to fuel from five gallon cans or 55 gal
barrels.

Regards,

Don Boardman
& Partner
Randy Bowers
Muskie #130 M-14PF Aerocet 3400 Amphibs Rome, NY

From: "George Coy" <gesoco@together.net>
Reply-To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:33:35 -0500
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Fueling the Moose

Hi All,
Now that I have received my kit I am "officially" a builder as well as

an

engine supplier.
I have faced a similar problem in refueling aircraft with wing tanks
located high off the ground. How about two fillers? Use the inboard if

you

do not need all of the fuel. I once owned an AN-2 aircraft. It is 20

feet to

the top wing and the fuel fillers. They had a system of climbing up the

rear

of the fuselage and walking to the top wing. We then lowered a rope to

the

guy with the hose. This is not practical on the MOOSE. They also had a
second way. They put an electric high capacity fuel pump and a small

header

tank in the lower part of the fuselage. You could refuel the aircraft

from

drums with this system. Hook a hose to the pump and put the hose in the

drum

and turn the pump on. The or the other way was to start pumping from the
header tank with the onboard pump and then start filling the header tank
with the refueling hose. Worked really well as the Russian systems often

do.

George Coy


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