Scott Tail wheel

[dasstolguy]

I am deciding on features for a Rebel kit before prices go up. The mission is
Intermediate bush (wheels) eventually floats; thinking 8.5-6 main tires. In
the Aircraft Spruce catalog, Scott tailwheels model 3200 and 3400 are offered.
The catalog states that the 3400 is more heavy duty ?designed for use with
tube spring mounting?.

Questions:
1)
Is tube spring mounting possible on a Rebel? How?
2)
Pros cons of tube spring vs leaf spring?
3)
Pros cons of model 3200 vs 3400?
4)
Tips on matching tailwheel to mains?
5)
Would tailwheel selection affect main gear selection ( bungee, coil, spring)?


Rob Sexmith
Cincinnati to Killarney ON or bust





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[dasstolguy]

Wayne,

Thanks for the quick reply with more value added than the GST/OPT every gave me.

Sounds like leaf spring, Scott 3200, grease, and some mods.

About the mods
THE (FUS-31 DOUBLER) "ONTARIO" TAIL WRAP MOD AS WE CALL IT AND THE SERVICE
BULLETIN FOR THE TAIL POST!

When ordering a new Rebel kit
1) Do I get the materials for a FUS-31 Doubler and tailpost service bulletin?
If not does Murphy swap out stuff from the basic kit such as
keep the tail wheel and wing tips but give me the FUS-31 doubler and some clecos?

Rob Sexmith
rsexmith@fuse.net



On 12/7/2001 8:26 PM, OIFA@IRISHFIELD.ON.CA wrote to MURPHY-REBEL:

-> Hi Rob! Welcome aboard!
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-> Put my 2 cents worth below each of your line items below!
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-> Regard,
-> Wayne G. O'Shea
-> www.irishfield.on.ca
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-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: <dasstolguy@dcsol.com>
-> To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
-> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 8:58 PM
-> Subject: Scott Tail wheel
->
->
-> > I am deciding on features for a Rebel kit before prices go up. The
-> mission is
-> > Intermediate bush (wheels) eventually floats; thinking 8.5-6 main tires.
-> In
-> > the Aircraft Spruce catalog, Scott tailwheels model 3200 and 3400 are
-> offered.
-> > The catalog states that the 3400 is more heavy duty ?designed for use
-> with
-> > tube spring mounting?.
-> >
-> > Questions:
-> > 1)
-> > Is tube spring mounting possible on a Rebel? How?
-> YES! I INSTRUCTED GEORGE FROM MAUI, THAT BOUGHT ONE OF MY REBELS, HOW TO DO
-> SO.
-> YOU NEED TO MACHINE A PIECE TO REPLACE THE SUPPLIED MAM TAIL SPRING RETAINER
-> PLATES AND THE HORIZONTAL STAB STRUT ATTACH ANGLE BRACKET. FROM ONE PIECE
-> YOU CAN MACHINE A PIECE TO BOLT ONTO THE TS1'S (OR YOU COULD EVEN MAKE IT
-> REPLACE THESE ALSO IF GOOD WITH A MILL), PICK UP THE HORIZONTAL STAB STRUTS
-> AND HAVE A ROUND HOLE DIAMETER TO MATCH THE TAIL WHEEL MOUNT TUBE TO GO
-> THROUGH AND UP TO THE ORIGINAL TAIL SPRING ATTACH MAIN BOLT.
->
-> HONEST OPINION THOUGH IS THAT IT'S NOT WORTH THE WORK IF YOU DO THE (FUS-31
-> DOUBLER) "ONTARIO" TAIL WRAP MOD AS WE CALL IT AND THE SERVICE BULLETIN FOR
-> THE TAIL POST!
-> > 2)
-> > Pros cons of tube spring vs leaf spring?
-> GEORGE WANTED IT AS HE READ THAT THE ROD TAIL SPRING ABSORBS MORE ENERGY AND
-> TRANSFERS LESS SHOCK LOAD TO THE AIRFRAME, IN SIDE LOAD CONDITIONS, BECAUSE
-> THE ROD CAN FLEX SIDEWAYS, WHERE AS THE 1 3/4" WIDE SPRING IS NOT GOING TO
-> FLEX IN THAT DIRECTION AND TRANSFERS ALL THE LOADS TO THE TAIL CONE.
->
-> CON IN MY OPINION IS IT'S GOING TO BE A MORE BOBBY/SWAYING RIDE
-> > 3)
-> > Pros cons of model 3200 vs 3400?
-> THE 3400 IS SEALED A LITTLE BETTER, BUT IF YOU KEEP YOUR 3200 WELL GREASED
-> IT SHOULD KEEP THINGS FLUSHED OUT OF THE MECHANISM
-> > 4)
-> > Tips on matching tailwheel to mains?
-> WOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT IT AS THE ANGLE OF ATTACK, NO MATTER HOW STEEP YOU GET
-> IT, IS ONLY GOING TO HINDER YOUR TAXI VIEW AND NOTHING ELSE. THE REBEL WILL
-> DEPART FROM 3 POINT AT ANY ANGLE OF ATTACK YOU CAN GET IT TO SIT AT ON
-> TIRES. CHARLES HAD 29" X 10" ATV TIRES AND A SCOTT 3200 ON HIS. IF YOU GO
-> LARGE TUNDRA'S YOU MIGHT WANT TO FIND A 10" TAILWHEEL FOR A BETTER VIEW OVER
-> THE NOSE, BUT NOT NECESSARY AS THE VIEW IS GREAT FOR A TAILDRAGGER
-> > 5)
-> > Would tailwheel selection affect main gear selection ( bungee, coil,
-> spring)?
-> NO!
->
-> >
-> >
-> > Rob Sexmith
-> > Cincinnati to Killarney ON or bust
-> >
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[Rick Harper]

Dear Rob ;

G'day from sunny OZ ! :-)

I have a 3400 fitted to our Rebel and a friend, Jim Stonier has a 3200
fitted to his....and they REALLY DO improve the Rebel !!!!!!!!

----- Original Message -----
From: <dasstolguy@dcsol.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, 8 December 2001 12:58
Subject: Scott Tail wheel

I am deciding on features for a Rebel kit before prices go up. The

mission is

Intermediate bush (wheels) eventually floats; thinking 8.5-6 main tires.

In

the Aircraft Spruce catalog, Scott tailwheels model 3200 and 3400 are

offered.

The catalog states that the 3400 is more heavy duty ?designed for use

with

tube spring mounting?.

Yes it IS heavier built ....but mine is made for a leaf spring type ....(Jim
and I both fitted actual steel springs from a car trailer to our
Rebels)...all of which helps to offset the nose heavy installations with
Lycoming engines too !

Questions:
1)
Is tube spring mounting possible on a Rebel? How?

Don't know...you'd have to make up the braketry yourself for the round
section spring

2)
Pros cons of tube spring vs leaf spring?

I think LEAF is easier....you can add or subtract springs to get the desired
resiliance

3)
Pros cons of model 3200 vs 3400?

The 3400 is just more robustly proportioned (and obviously weighs
more)...and accepts a 10" wheel as well

4)
Tips on matching tailwheel to mains?

Bolts ! (I have 2 X 7/16" bolts )

5)
Would tailwheel selection affect main gear selection ( bungee, coil,

spring)?

I can't see how....I have actually thrown away the bungees cords and have
made it with two heavy duty steel coil springs...works very well and has
LOTS of travel (to save me when I stuff up the landings :-)


Rick & Wendy Harper
16 Tor rd, Dee Why,
N.S.W. 2099
Australia
rjwh@ozemail.com.au
rjwh56@hotmail.com
Ph : 02 9971 7889
Mbl : 0416 041 007
O'seas Ph : 612 9971 7889

Rob Sexmith
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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Hi Rob! Welcome aboard!

Put my 2 cents worth below each of your line items below!

Regard,
Wayne G. O'Shea
www.irishfield.on.ca

----- Original Message -----
From: <dasstolguy@dcsol.com>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 8:58 PM
Subject: Scott Tail wheel

I am deciding on features for a Rebel kit before prices go up. The

mission is

Intermediate bush (wheels) eventually floats; thinking 8.5-6 main tires.

In

the Aircraft Spruce catalog, Scott tailwheels model 3200 and 3400 are

offered.

The catalog states that the 3400 is more heavy duty ?designed for use

with

tube spring mounting?.

Questions:
1)
Is tube spring mounting possible on a Rebel? How?

YES! I INSTRUCTED GEORGE FROM MAUI, THAT BOUGHT ONE OF MY REBELS, HOW TO DO
SO.
YOU NEED TO MACHINE A PIECE TO REPLACE THE SUPPLIED MAM TAIL SPRING RETAINER
PLATES AND THE HORIZONTAL STAB STRUT ATTACH ANGLE BRACKET. FROM ONE PIECE
YOU CAN MACHINE A PIECE TO BOLT ONTO THE TS1'S (OR YOU COULD EVEN MAKE IT
REPLACE THESE ALSO IF GOOD WITH A MILL), PICK UP THE HORIZONTAL STAB STRUTS
AND HAVE A ROUND HOLE DIAMETER TO MATCH THE TAIL WHEEL MOUNT TUBE TO GO
THROUGH AND UP TO THE ORIGINAL TAIL SPRING ATTACH MAIN BOLT.

HONEST OPINION THOUGH IS THAT IT'S NOT WORTH THE WORK IF YOU DO THE (FUS-31
DOUBLER) "ONTARIO" TAIL WRAP MOD AS WE CALL IT AND THE SERVICE BULLETIN FOR
THE TAIL POST!

2)
Pros cons of tube spring vs leaf spring?

GEORGE WANTED IT AS HE READ THAT THE ROD TAIL SPRING ABSORBS MORE ENERGY AND
TRANSFERS LESS SHOCK LOAD TO THE AIRFRAME, IN SIDE LOAD CONDITIONS, BECAUSE
THE ROD CAN FLEX SIDEWAYS, WHERE AS THE 1 3/4" WIDE SPRING IS NOT GOING TO
FLEX IN THAT DIRECTION AND TRANSFERS ALL THE LOADS TO THE TAIL CONE.

CON IN MY OPINION IS IT'S GOING TO BE A MORE BOBBY/SWAYING RIDE

3)
Pros cons of model 3200 vs 3400?

THE 3400 IS SEALED A LITTLE BETTER, BUT IF YOU KEEP YOUR 3200 WELL GREASED
IT SHOULD KEEP THINGS FLUSHED OUT OF THE MECHANISM

4)
Tips on matching tailwheel to mains?

WOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT IT AS THE ANGLE OF ATTACK, NO MATTER HOW STEEP YOU GET
IT, IS ONLY GOING TO HINDER YOUR TAXI VIEW AND NOTHING ELSE. THE REBEL WILL
DEPART FROM 3 POINT AT ANY ANGLE OF ATTACK YOU CAN GET IT TO SIT AT ON
TIRES. CHARLES HAD 29" X 10" ATV TIRES AND A SCOTT 3200 ON HIS. IF YOU GO
LARGE TUNDRA'S YOU MIGHT WANT TO FIND A 10" TAILWHEEL FOR A BETTER VIEW OVER
THE NOSE, BUT NOT NECESSARY AS THE VIEW IS GREAT FOR A TAILDRAGGER

5)
Would tailwheel selection affect main gear selection ( bungee, coil,

spring)?
NO!

Rob Sexmith
Cincinnati to Killarney ON or bust



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[Legeorgen]

Hi Rob,

Well, there you go! Wayne said it all. Could you have expected such a prompt
and complete answer to all your questions? Wayne, if you haven't noticed, is
our "Rebel Resident Expert." He builds them and flies them. Bob P can tell
you a lot about these birds too. He gets to fly more than Wayne. Wayne has to
earn a living, somehow. Bob, well I'm not sure, but I think he works at
flying. Rebels (all models) mostly.

Bruce G



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[Bob Patterson]

Hi Rob !

I'm with Wayne ! It's probably not nearly worth the hassle
to switch to the rod mount, and I'd go with the largest tires that
the factory offers, if you want real rough ground capability. The
Scott 3200 is working well on MANY Rebels, and is less expensive
than the 3400, as well as easier to mount.

A thought on "improvements" - you'll add <months> to your
build time - the comments here lately are: "Just get it flying -
homebuilts are NEVER <finished> !" ;-)

After you've flown your Rebel, you will likely find there's
very little you'd like to change - they're really great airplanes !!

At the risk of starting a great flame war, I'd say stick with
the bungee gear (or die springs, IF you do it the RIGHT way !) - <I>
think it's stronger, and better suited for bush work. If it does get
damaged, it will fail in a way that makes the airframe more easily
repairable. (I'll defer to Wayne for his comments on the ease of
repair aspect - he's fixed enough of 'em ! )

.....bobp

PS
You'll be glad that you chose the Rebel for this mission !!

-------------------------------orig.--------------------------------------
At 04:58 PM 12/7/01 -0900, you wrote:

I am deciding on features for a Rebel kit before prices go up. The mission is
Intermediate bush (wheels) eventually floats; thinking 8.5-6 main tires. In
the Aircraft Spruce catalog, Scott tailwheels model 3200 and 3400 are offered.
The catalog states that the 3400 is more heavy duty ?designed for use with
tube spring mounting?.

Questions:
1)
Is tube spring mounting possible on a Rebel? How?
2)
Pros cons of tube spring vs leaf spring?
3)
Pros cons of model 3200 vs 3400?
4)
Tips on matching tailwheel to mains?
5)
Would tailwheel selection affect main gear selection ( bungee, coil, spring)?


Rob Sexmith
Cincinnati to Killarney ON or bust



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[Mike Kimball]

Perhaps the tailwheel mount used on the Super Rebel could be used on the
Rebel. At least the nicely machined brackets and fitting with the round
hole for the tube. Save you having to machine your own.

Mike Kimball
SR#044

-----Original Message-----
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dasstolguy@dcsol.com
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 4:59 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Scott Tail wheel


I am deciding on features for a Rebel kit before prices go up. The mission
is
Intermediate bush (wheels) eventually floats; thinking 8.5-6 main tires.
In
the Aircraft Spruce catalog, Scott tailwheels model 3200 and 3400 are
offered.
The catalog states that the 3400 is more heavy duty ?designed for use with
tube spring mounting?.

Questions:
1)
Is tube spring mounting possible on a Rebel? How?
2)
Pros cons of tube spring vs leaf spring?
3)
Pros cons of model 3200 vs 3400?
4)
Tips on matching tailwheel to mains?
5)
Would tailwheel selection affect main gear selection ( bungee, coil,
spring)?


Rob Sexmith
Cincinnati to Killarney ON or bust



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[Keith Oliver]

Maybe the Elite would be an easier fix

Keith Oliver
Elite #654 TD
N654ME (reserved)
Farmingdale, Maine




-----Original Message-----
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Mike Kimball
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 4:29 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: Scott Tail wheel


Perhaps the tailwheel mount used on the Super Rebel could be used on the
Rebel. At least the nicely machined brackets and fitting with the round
hole for the tube. Save you having to machine your own.

Mike Kimball
SR#044

-----Original Message-----
From: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com [mailto:murphy-rebel@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
dasstolguy@dcsol.com
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 4:59 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Scott Tail wheel


I am deciding on features for a Rebel kit before prices go up. The mission
is
Intermediate bush (wheels) eventually floats; thinking 8.5-6 main tires.
In
the Aircraft Spruce catalog, Scott tailwheels model 3200 and 3400 are
offered.
The catalog states that the 3400 is more heavy duty ?designed for use with
tube spring mounting?.

Questions:
1)
Is tube spring mounting possible on a Rebel? How?
2)
Pros cons of tube spring vs leaf spring?
3)
Pros cons of model 3200 vs 3400?
4)
Tips on matching tailwheel to mains?
5)
Would tailwheel selection affect main gear selection ( bungee, coil,
spring)?


Rob Sexmith
Cincinnati to Killarney ON or bust



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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Thanks Mike,

I'll have a look at the fin posts tail wheel "rod" bracket, on the SR that I
have in the shop, and see if it would be adaptable to the Rebel!

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Kimball" <mkimball@gci.net>
To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 4:28 PM
Subject: RE: Scott Tail wheel

Perhaps the tailwheel mount used on the Super Rebel could be used on the
Rebel. At least the nicely machined brackets and fitting with the round
hole for the tube. Save you having to machine your own.

Mike Kimball
SR#044

-----Original Message-----
From: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com [mailto:murphy-rebel@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
dasstolguy@dcsol.com
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 4:59 PM
To: murphy-rebel@dcsol.com
Subject: Scott Tail wheel


I am deciding on features for a Rebel kit before prices go up. The

mission

is
Intermediate bush (wheels) eventually floats; thinking 8.5-6 main tires.
In
the Aircraft Spruce catalog, Scott tailwheels model 3200 and 3400 are
offered.
The catalog states that the 3400 is more heavy duty ?designed for use

with

tube spring mounting?.

Questions:
1)
Is tube spring mounting possible on a Rebel? How?
2)
Pros cons of tube spring vs leaf spring?
3)
Pros cons of model 3200 vs 3400?
4)
Tips on matching tailwheel to mains?
5)
Would tailwheel selection affect main gear selection ( bungee, coil,
spring)?


Rob Sexmith
Cincinnati to Killarney ON or bust



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[Neil Hardie]

I am looking for a complete Scott 3200 tailwheel for my Rebel. Anybody
got a good used or rebuilt one out there?

thanks

Neil Hardie
Phone:416-524-7696
Fax:416-996-2567
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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

Usually the odd one that pops up on ebay Neil...but then again considering
our Canadian dollar is marching forward at 80 cents US...might not be worth
the wasted time searching, nor too painful, just buying new direct from
Aircraft Spruce or such. Usually about $549 to $579 US.

Cheers,
Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Neil Hardie" <nhardie@lincsat.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 1:42 PM
Subject: Scott tail wheel

I am looking for a complete Scott 3200 tailwheel for my Rebel. Anybody
got a good used or rebuilt one out there?

thanks

Neil Hardie
Phone:416-524-7696
Fax:416-996-2567
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[Murray & Carol Cherkas]

Just bought one $1,182:00 in my hand in Calgary.Works great. Watch you
don't over correct when keeping straight. This wheel sticks to the ground a
whole lot more than the MAM wheel. It's really nice on grass when things get
a little ruff.

Murray

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Sent: October 20, 2004 11:51 AM
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Subject: Re: Scott tail wheel


Usually the odd one that pops up on ebay Neil...but then again considering
our Canadian dollar is marching forward at 80 cents US...might not be worth
the wasted time searching, nor too painful, just buying new direct from
Aircraft Spruce or such. Usually about $549 to $579 US.

Cheers,
Wayne

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From: "Neil Hardie" <nhardie@lincsat.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 1:42 PM
Subject: Scott tail wheel

I am looking for a complete Scott 3200 tailwheel for my Rebel. Anybody
got a good used or rebuilt one out there?

thanks

Neil Hardie
Phone:416-524-7696
Fax:416-996-2567
Email: <mailto:nhardie@sympatico.ca> nhardie@sympatico.ca








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[rognal]

Hi Murray,

When you changed to the Scott 3200 tailwheel did you change tailsprings also?
If so could you advise what tailspring you are now using?

Thanks,

Roger Hoffman #R687
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[Wayne G. O'Shea]

I know you're asking Murray, Roger, but the only spring to use on the Scott
3200 is the set of tension springs sold specifically for it.

Using "door closer" (compression) springs can be very detrimental to the
life of the steering arm. If you turn around to the left (or right) on a
soft strip and then horse the pedals to the floor to straighten back out,
without rolling forward, the tire sunk into the mud will not turn and you
can bottom the compression spring and put undo strain on the steering arm.
As a matter of fact Howard broke his 3200 steering arm after 5 hrs as he was
adamant that he had to have the compression springs. After breaking the arm
it wasn't hard getting him to spend the $32 for the Scott tension spring
set.

Wayne

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From: <rognal@dcsol.com>
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Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 10:53 PM
Subject: RE: Scott tail wheel

Hi Murray,

When you changed to the Scott 3200 tailwheel did you change tailsprings

also?

If so could you advise what tailspring you are now using?

Thanks,

Roger Hoffman #R687
Eugene, OR USA!




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[Murray & Carol Cherkas]

Roger:

Thanks Wayne. I wasn't aware for the need to have the Scott springs either.
I am using my original springs. I will however get the right ones. Thanks
again Wayne.

Murray

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]On Behalf Of
rognal@dcsol.com
Sent: October 21, 2004 8:54 PM
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Subject: RE: Scott tail wheel


Hi Murray,

When you changed to the Scott 3200 tailwheel did you change tailsprings
also?
If so could you advise what tailspring you are now using?

Thanks,

Roger Hoffman #R687
Eugene, OR USA!




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