G'day everyone !
I was told some time back that "you only NEED a (Mark Landoll's) vibration dampener
if you ARE USING a wooden propeller" !?!?!
Can SOMEONE post a few pictures of one of these suckers in the archives...there's NO way
I can afford to shell out $400 U.S. with the exchange rate at 52 cents to the US dollar...
If I can get a look at one, I reckon I can make one....I hope.
How come this problem has only come to light NOW ????? I'm sure that there are HEAPS
of Rebels out there who have been using a W.D. Prop with a Lycoming engine for years !
Rick & Wendy Harper
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Re- Prop' Dampener
Re- Prop' Dampener
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From: Bob Patterson <apat@istar.ca>
Subject: Re: Re- Prop' Dampener
Hi Rick !
There <are> lots of Rebels flying with 150 HP O-320's, and it's
taken about 4 years and 600 - 800 hours to show the problem ....
But the higher compression engines, like the 160 HP O-320's,
and the Continental IO-240's get problems VERY quickly - like under
50 hours !! It seems the higher compression causes sharp power
pulses that 'wiggle' the blades fore & aft, and they crack.
All the damper does is absorb some of the pulse internally, through
rubber bushings around the bolts, and partly just because it adds
some extra mass .... The much larger mass of the metal props
gives a flywheel effect, and absorbs these pulses, so there seem
to be no problems with them. (Of course, metal prop manufacturers
DO spend many $$$$$ 'tuning' their props to avoid harmonic vibration
problems .... which is another reason metal props cost lots
of $$$$$ ..... :-( )
I'll bet you could find a very similar setup in a motorcycle
clutch, or even an automotive clutch system.... Just turn down
the plate with the bushed bolts ...
.....bobp
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To: <murphy-rebel@dcsol.com>
From: Bob Patterson <apat@istar.ca>
Subject: Re: Re- Prop' Dampener
Hi Rick !
There <are> lots of Rebels flying with 150 HP O-320's, and it's
taken about 4 years and 600 - 800 hours to show the problem ....
But the higher compression engines, like the 160 HP O-320's,
and the Continental IO-240's get problems VERY quickly - like under
50 hours !! It seems the higher compression causes sharp power
pulses that 'wiggle' the blades fore & aft, and they crack.
All the damper does is absorb some of the pulse internally, through
rubber bushings around the bolts, and partly just because it adds
some extra mass .... The much larger mass of the metal props
gives a flywheel effect, and absorbs these pulses, so there seem
to be no problems with them. (Of course, metal prop manufacturers
DO spend many $$$$$ 'tuning' their props to avoid harmonic vibration
problems .... which is another reason metal props cost lots
of $$$$$ ..... :-( )
I'll bet you could find a very similar setup in a motorcycle
clutch, or even an automotive clutch system.... Just turn down
the plate with the bushed bolts ...
.....bobp
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At 11:02 PM 3/3/01 +1100, you wrote:
dampenerG'day everyone !
I was told some time back that "you only NEED a (Mark Landoll's) vibration
archives...there's NO wayif you ARE USING a wooden propeller" !?!?!
Can SOMEONE post a few pictures of one of these suckers in the
the US dollar...I can afford to shell out $400 U.S. with the exchange rate at 52 cents to
are HEAPSIf I can get a look at one, I reckon I can make one....I hope.
How come this problem has only come to light NOW ????? I'm sure that there
for years !of Rebels out there who have been using a W.D. Prop with a Lycoming engine
suckers inRick & Wendy Harper
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<DIV><FONT size=2><EM>if you ARE USING a wooden propeller"
!?!?!</EM></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2><EM>Can SOMEONE post a few pictures of one of these
ratethe archives...there's NO way</EM></FONT></DIV>
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with aat 52 cents to the US dollar...</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><EM>If I can get a look at one, I reckon I can make
one....I hope.</EM></FONT></DIV>
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????? I'm sure that there are HEAPS</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><EM>of Rebels out there who have been using a W.D. Prop
Lycoming engine for years !</EM></FONT></DIV>
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Re- Prop' Dampener
Rick and Wendy,
I don't thing you will be able to make a vibration dampener even if you had
one to take apart. I don't believe it is absolutely necessary to have one
with a WD prop, just more insurance against a possible delimitation or
cracked hub.
Bruce G
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I don't thing you will be able to make a vibration dampener even if you had
one to take apart. I don't believe it is absolutely necessary to have one
with a WD prop, just more insurance against a possible delimitation or
cracked hub.
Bruce G
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