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carol51

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Post by carol51 » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:34 pm

Hi from Calgary:

Thanks Bob for your Subaru recommendation, I'll take a closer look at this. There are some excellent engine shops here. Will let you know what I find out.

REBEL 505
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Bob Patterson

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Post by Bob Patterson » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:34 pm

Sorry - had to re-forward this because my email is still messed up !!

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From: Bob Patterson <bob.patterson@canrem.com>
Subject: Re: engines


Please keep us posted ! You might want to have a look at an
experienced Canadian conversion outfit near here:

www.crossflow.com

.....bobp

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Hi from Calgary:

Thanks Bob for your Subaru recommendation, I'll take a closer look at
this. There are some excellent engine shops here. Will let you know what I
find out.
REBEL 505
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carol51

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Post by carol51 » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:34 pm

HI Wray from Calgary:

Thanks wray for the info.
Yes my wife's name is Carol.

Murray Cherkas
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Jones, Mike

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Post by Jones, Mike » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:39 pm

Hi All

Speaking of engines does anyone know anything about Bradley aerospace and
their VW engines, web pages shows 2800cc engine with 215 ft/lbs , 143 hp at
3500 rpm. They claim to have engines with more horse power in their add in
kit planes.

web link is as follows

http://www.kgmsoftworks.com/bradley/

any comments ???

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Post by klehman » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:39 pm

Mike
I know nothing of Bradley, but I did note that the numbers below appear
to be off a software engine simulator printout posted on their website.
They are not dynometer numbers, simply a prediction that can be made to
say anything by manipulating the data. Those predictions can be in the
ball park if done properly, and they are great for predicting the effect
of specific changes to an engine. They are only a prediction until
proven on a dyno though. And of course low speed thrust and efficiency
is better with a larger diameter prop... Note the relatively poor
performance of the Jabiru compared to a geared down Rotax 912 on slow
speed Rebel type aircraft.
Ken

"Jones, Mike" wrote:
Hi All

Speaking of engines does anyone know anything about Bradley aerospace and
their VW engines, web pages shows 2800cc engine with 215 ft/lbs , 143 hp at
3500 rpm. They claim to have engines with more horse power in their add in
kit planes.
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Bob Patterson

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Post by Bob Patterson » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:39 pm

and if you believe THAT ..... ;-)


Even if you <could> get 143 hp. <reliably> out of a VW - to run
at 3,500 rpm, your prop would have to be so short, you wouldn't get
much use out of it on a Rebel ....

.....bobp


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At 03:25 PM 1/22/01 -0500, you wrote:
Hi All

Speaking of engines does anyone know anything about Bradley aerospace and
their VW engines, web pages shows 2800cc engine with 215 ft/lbs , 143 hp at
3500 rpm. They claim to have engines with more horse power in their add in
kit planes.

web link is as follows

http://www.kgmsoftworks.com/bradley/

any comments ???

mike#007
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AGT

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Post by AGT » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:39 pm

I used to turn 3200 rpm on my KR-2 with a Warnke "Almost Constant Speed"
prop and Revmaster VW conversion. Worked great. The extra 300 rpm could
make a big difference I suppose.

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and if you believe THAT ..... ;-)


Even if you <could> get 143 hp. <reliably> out of a VW - to run
at 3,500 rpm, your prop would have to be so short, you wouldn't get
much use out of it on a Rebel ....

.....bobp


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At 03:25 PM 1/22/01 -0500, you wrote:
Hi All

Speaking of engines does anyone know anything about Bradley aerospace and
their VW engines, web pages shows 2800cc engine with 215 ft/lbs , 143 hp at
3500 rpm. They claim to have engines with more horse power in their add in
kit planes.

web link is as follows

http://www.kgmsoftworks.com/bradley/

any comments ???

mike#007
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Bob Patterson

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Post by Bob Patterson » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:56 pm

Hi Tom !

I've CC'd the maillist, as there seems to be a bit of interest
in these engines !

George Coy is President of Gesoco Industries Inc., the company
that Murphy buys their M-14P's from. He dabbles in all sorts of
engines and accessories. You can reach him at:

http://www.gesoco.com
or:
http://www.gesoco.com/M14P_Engines/M14P_Today.htm

These engines are Lycoming IO-540-G1D5's, and I believe they're
rated at 290 hp stock. They include fuel system, mags, starter, alternator,
and prop. governor. Props <might> be available for the first few -
better move fast, though, as 3 have already been sold !!

There are 14 left, with times from zero, 1.3 hr., to about
about 1300 hrs., with several in the 700 - 900 range. As I mentioned,
it can be a good idea to do your test flying with a well run engine,
so you can concentrate on the airplane, without the headaches of
trying to fly wide-open for 2 hours for break-in !

Kitplanes recently had an article on the shops who overhaul
and prepare the engines for the Harmon Rockets - this might be a
good way to go. You'd get a balanced, polished & ported engine
with about 330 hp., after a season of flying....


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Bob:
I noticed with interest your mentioning the 290 hp engines that George Coy
has. I'm building SR 043 and I'm halfway finished with the fuselage - so
I'm in the market for an engine. I've been considering a used Lycoming or
that other radial (M-462?). Could you send me some more info on these
engines, or how to contact George? Are they actual Lycoming engines? If
so, have they been modified to 290 hp or?
Thanks for any info you can provide.

Tom Packard






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Bob Patterson

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Post by Bob Patterson » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:56 pm

Hi !

Forgot to mention the prices : $9,500 to $13,500 USD for most
of them, with one at $16,500.

......bobp

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At 04:43 PM 5/23/01 -0400, you wrote:
Hi Tom !

I've CC'd the maillist, as there seems to be a bit of interest
in these engines !

George Coy is President of Gesoco Industries Inc., the company
that Murphy buys their M-14P's from. He dabbles in all sorts of
engines and accessories. You can reach him at:

http://www.gesoco.com
or:
http://www.gesoco.com/M14P_Engines/M14P_Today.htm

These engines are Lycoming IO-540-G1D5's, and I believe they're
rated at 290 hp stock. They include fuel system, mags, starter, alternator,
and prop. governor. Props <might> be available for the first few -
better move fast, though, as 3 have already been sold !!

There are 14 left, with times from zero, 1.3 hr., to about
about 1300 hrs., with several in the 700 - 900 range. As I mentioned,
it can be a good idea to do your test flying with a well run engine,
so you can concentrate on the airplane, without the headaches of
trying to fly wide-open for 2 hours for break-in !

Kitplanes recently had an article on the shops who overhaul
and prepare the engines for the Harmon Rockets - this might be a
good way to go. You'd get a balanced, polished & ported engine
with about 330 hp., after a season of flying....


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At 09:52 AM 5/23/01 -0500, you wrote:
Bob:
I noticed with interest your mentioning the 290 hp engines that George Coy
has. I'm building SR 043 and I'm halfway finished with the fuselage - so
I'm in the market for an engine. I've been considering a used Lycoming or
that other radial (M-462?). Could you send me some more info on these
engines, or how to contact George? Are they actual Lycoming engines? If
so, have they been modified to 290 hp or?
Thanks for any info you can provide.

Tom Packard




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Jones, Michael

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Post by Jones, Michael » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:49 pm

hi lads


Has anyone heard any details on this new Honda developed aircraft engine
that's being developed with lycoming, dates costs or is it to early in
development for any info

mike
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Post by Drew Dalgleish » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:49 pm

At 11:53 AM 3/11/2003 -0500, you wrote:
hi lads


Has anyone heard any details on this new Honda developed aircraft engine
that's being developed with lycoming, dates costs or is it to early in
development for any info

mike
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Honda and Teledyne to Study Business Opportunities For Honda's
Next-generation Piston Aviation Engine
Monday March 3, 9:00 pm ET

TOKYO, March 3 /PRNewswire/ -- Honda Motor Co., Ltd., announced today that
Honda and Teledyne Continental Motors, Inc. (TCM) will begin a joint market
feasibility study for a next-generation piston aviation engine currently in
development by Honda. Over the next several months, the joint study will
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The general aviation power plants include piston, turbo-prop, and turbo-fan
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piston aviation engines since 2000.

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Bob Patterson

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Post by Bob Patterson » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:49 pm

Hi Mike !

If this is the same piston engine they were talking about
4 years ago, it's a 6 cyl. of about 250 -300 hp, CERTIFIED, and
MUCHO $$,$$$ - aimed for the light twin market, and WAY too
heavy for a Rebel......

.....bobp

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Has anyone heard any details on this new Honda developed aircraft engine
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development for any info

mike
#007


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jim wilson

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Post by jim wilson » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:38 am

Mattituck lists an 0-320 on their web site. The R-263 five cylinder
radial (distributed by Gesoco) by the makers of the M14P next spring is
supposed to be out in a 180 hp supercharged powerplant. The R-263 (125
hp version) is 220 lb and the 180 hp version they think will come in at
230-240 lb. Interesting.

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Jones, Michael

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Post by Jones, Michael » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:44 am

hi all

well its engine purchase time, got line on engine, 0-320-b3b, and can be
built 150,160 or 168 hp,

i know pistons move hp to 160 but how do you get to 168 hp, anybody know

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Jones, Michael

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Post by Jones, Michael » Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:47 am

hi all

okay so i guess i will go with the basic 150 hp lyco narrow deck engine, it
cost 1800 more to get brand new lycoming jugs (similar to millennium or eci
jugs) is it worth the money to use the new jugs ??

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