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Bill Maxwell

[rebel-builders] Re: Moose -Alaska crash ...

Post by Bill Maxwell » Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:55 pm

This is odd.

I have noticed recently that some relatively old posts have been
appearing in my in-box but at 6 years, this one must hold the record?

Bill

On 20/09/2005 6:38 AM, Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:
It's not rumour Bob. I talked with Stewart B...(Steve Rhodes used Stewarts
paint booth for his near complete Moose) and YES the MT went into full beta.
They figured it out on approach and pulled the power...but couldnt' make the
field.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson"<beep@sympatico.ca>
To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 2:36 PM
Subject: Moose -Alaska crash ...

Hi All !

This subject came up at the Builders Meeting. I reported that
I had heard from someone who spoke to the people who were on the scene and
involved - not exactly first-hand info, but I believe it to be accurate
....
Don't want to spread even more rumours than we've already
heard, but this info might save someone from misfortune ! Please,
if there's anyone out there with experience with this problem,
please speak up !!

What they said was " It seems the M-T 3 blade prop went into
full Beta pitch (reverse !!) at 500 feet on approach -- AND, this
is not the first time this problem has been observed with the M-T
3 blade on the M-14P engine. Seems there's something to do with
the power pulses of the M-14 that messes up the prop controls."

I know there are thousands of these props out there, many
on M-14's -- but how many have Beta capability ?? From the pictures,
it sure looked like that Moose hit hard - and that would explain it !
About the only thing you could do would be to cut the engine and push
the nose down - IF you figured out what was happening quickly enough,
AND you had some extra altitude ! Full Beta would take airspeed, and
give tremendous drag, preventing acceleration, even lowering the nose.
Fortunately, the airframe did what it was designed to do, and crumpled
progressively, and everyone walked away without a scratch !

Again, I'm not passing this on to stir things up - but I'm sure
anyone with an M-T with Beta would really like to hear from any others who
might have had any kind of difficulty like this ! I hope there's some
easy fix !

......bobp




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Mike Davis

[rebel-builders] Re: Moose -Alaska crash ...

Post by Mike Davis » Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:55 pm

I apologize for the old messages going out... it took me a few minutes to
catch what was happening.

I have completed moving the list server to a new system, but along the way
the list server decided it needed to resend every message that was ever
posted! And I even followed the developers instructions to ensure that
wouldn't happen! Oh well, the job is done, and hopefully I didn't ruin
anybody's day along the way.

The good and the bad... the old server took 2.8 seconds to process each list
message... the new server is doing 14 messages every second! That's really
good, unless it decides it's going to resend all 43,000 messages to every
member. (>_<)

Outstanding issues...

The file areas are all there, even if they indicate zero files... just click
on them, and they'll be there.

The search feature currently comes up with zero results, no matter what you
search for... and that's in both the message and file areas.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Maxwell
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:48 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Re: Moose -Alaska crash ...

This is odd.

I have noticed recently that some relatively old posts have been
appearing in my in-box but at 6 years, this one must hold the record?

Bill

On 20/09/2005 6:38 AM, Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:
It's not rumour Bob. I talked with Stewart B...(Steve Rhodes used Stewarts
paint booth for his near complete Moose) and YES the MT went into full
beta.
They figured it out on approach and pulled the power...but couldnt' make
the
field.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson"<beep@sympatico.ca>
To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 2:36 PM
Subject: Moose -Alaska crash ...

Hi All !

This subject came up at the Builders Meeting. I reported that
I had heard from someone who spoke to the people who were on the scene
and
involved - not exactly first-hand info, but I believe it to be accurate
....
Don't want to spread even more rumours than we've already
heard, but this info might save someone from misfortune ! Please,
if there's anyone out there with experience with this problem,
please speak up !!

What they said was " It seems the M-T 3 blade prop went into
full Beta pitch (reverse !!) at 500 feet on approach -- AND, this
is not the first time this problem has been observed with the M-T
3 blade on the M-14P engine. Seems there's something to do with
the power pulses of the M-14 that messes up the prop controls."

I know there are thousands of these props out there, many
on M-14's -- but how many have Beta capability ?? From the pictures,
it sure looked like that Moose hit hard - and that would explain it !
About the only thing you could do would be to cut the engine and push
the nose down - IF you figured out what was happening quickly enough,
AND you had some extra altitude ! Full Beta would take airspeed, and
give tremendous drag, preventing acceleration, even lowering the nose.
Fortunately, the airframe did what it was designed to do, and crumpled
progressively, and everyone walked away without a scratch !

Again, I'm not passing this on to stir things up - but I'm sure
anyone with an M-T with Beta would really like to hear from any others
who
might have had any kind of difficulty like this ! I hope there's some
easy fix !

......bobp




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Wayne G. O'Shea

[rebel-builders] Re: Moose -Alaska crash ...

Post by Wayne G. O'Shea » Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:55 pm

Thanks for the effort Mike and the good read on those old 1999 emails ! LOL

Do we need to resend anything that we sent during the rework or will it
queue up at some point?

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Davis" <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:43 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Re: Moose -Alaska crash ...

I apologize for the old messages going out... it took me a few minutes to
catch what was happening.

I have completed moving the list server to a new system, but along the way
the list server decided it needed to resend every message that was ever
posted! And I even followed the developers instructions to ensure that
wouldn't happen! Oh well, the job is done, and hopefully I didn't ruin
anybody's day along the way.

The good and the bad... the old server took 2.8 seconds to process each
list
message... the new server is doing 14 messages every second! That's
really
good, unless it decides it's going to resend all 43,000 messages to every
member. (>_<)

Outstanding issues...

The file areas are all there, even if they indicate zero files... just
click
on them, and they'll be there.

The search feature currently comes up with zero results, no matter what
you
search for... and that's in both the message and file areas.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Maxwell
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:48 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Re: Moose -Alaska crash ...

This is odd.

I have noticed recently that some relatively old posts have been
appearing in my in-box but at 6 years, this one must hold the record?

Bill

On 20/09/2005 6:38 AM, Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:
It's not rumour Bob. I talked with Stewart B...(Steve Rhodes used
Stewarts
paint booth for his near complete Moose) and YES the MT went into full
beta.
They figured it out on approach and pulled the power...but couldnt' make
the
field.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson"<beep@sympatico.ca>
To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 2:36 PM
Subject: Moose -Alaska crash ...

Hi All !

This subject came up at the Builders Meeting. I reported that
I had heard from someone who spoke to the people who were on the scene
and
involved - not exactly first-hand info, but I believe it to be accurate
....
Don't want to spread even more rumours than we've already
heard, but this info might save someone from misfortune ! Please,
if there's anyone out there with experience with this problem,
please speak up !!

What they said was " It seems the M-T 3 blade prop went into
full Beta pitch (reverse !!) at 500 feet on approach -- AND, this
is not the first time this problem has been observed with the M-T
3 blade on the M-14P engine. Seems there's something to do with
the power pulses of the M-14 that messes up the prop controls."

I know there are thousands of these props out there, many
on M-14's -- but how many have Beta capability ?? From the pictures,
it sure looked like that Moose hit hard - and that would explain it !
About the only thing you could do would be to cut the engine and push
the nose down - IF you figured out what was happening quickly enough,
AND you had some extra altitude ! Full Beta would take airspeed, and
give tremendous drag, preventing acceleration, even lowering the nose.
Fortunately, the airframe did what it was designed to do, and crumpled
progressively, and everyone walked away without a scratch !

Again, I'm not passing this on to stir things up - but I'm sure
anyone with an M-T with Beta would really like to hear from any others
who
might have had any kind of difficulty like this ! I hope there's some
easy fix !

......bobp




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N.Smith

[rebel-builders] Re: Moose -Alaska crash ...

Post by N.Smith » Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:55 pm

Thanks Mike - you're time and efforts are much appreciated.
Nig
745E

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com]
Sent: 29 September 2011 16:43
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Re: Moose -Alaska crash ...

I apologize for the old messages going out... it took me a few minutes to
catch what was happening.

I have completed moving the list server to a new system, but along the way
the list server decided it needed to resend every message that was ever
posted! And I even followed the developers instructions to ensure that
wouldn't happen! Oh well, the job is done, and hopefully I didn't ruin
anybody's day along the way.

The good and the bad... the old server took 2.8 seconds to process each list
message... the new server is doing 14 messages every second! That's really
good, unless it decides it's going to resend all 43,000 messages to every
member. (>_<)

Outstanding issues...

The file areas are all there, even if they indicate zero files... just click
on them, and they'll be there.

The search feature currently comes up with zero results, no matter what you
search for... and that's in both the message and file areas.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Maxwell
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:48 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Re: Moose -Alaska crash ...

This is odd.

I have noticed recently that some relatively old posts have been
appearing in my in-box but at 6 years, this one must hold the record?

Bill

On 20/09/2005 6:38 AM, Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:
It's not rumour Bob. I talked with Stewart B...(Steve Rhodes used Stewarts
paint booth for his near complete Moose) and YES the MT went into full
beta.
They figured it out on approach and pulled the power...but couldnt' make
the
field.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson"<beep@sympatico.ca>
To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 2:36 PM
Subject: Moose -Alaska crash ...

Hi All !

This subject came up at the Builders Meeting. I reported that
I had heard from someone who spoke to the people who were on the scene
and
involved - not exactly first-hand info, but I believe it to be accurate
....
Don't want to spread even more rumours than we've already
heard, but this info might save someone from misfortune ! Please,
if there's anyone out there with experience with this problem,
please speak up !!

What they said was " It seems the M-T 3 blade prop went into
full Beta pitch (reverse !!) at 500 feet on approach -- AND, this
is not the first time this problem has been observed with the M-T
3 blade on the M-14P engine. Seems there's something to do with
the power pulses of the M-14 that messes up the prop controls."

I know there are thousands of these props out there, many
on M-14's -- but how many have Beta capability ?? From the pictures,
it sure looked like that Moose hit hard - and that would explain it !
About the only thing you could do would be to cut the engine and push
the nose down - IF you figured out what was happening quickly enough,
AND you had some extra altitude ! Full Beta would take airspeed, and
give tremendous drag, preventing acceleration, even lowering the nose.
Fortunately, the airframe did what it was designed to do, and crumpled
progressively, and everyone walked away without a scratch !

Again, I'm not passing this on to stir things up - but I'm sure
anyone with an M-T with Beta would really like to hear from any others
who
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easy fix !

......bobp




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Mike Davis

[rebel-builders] Re: Moose -Alaska crash ...

Post by Mike Davis » Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:55 pm

If you don't see it by now you need to resend. It has been back online for about 12 hours already.

Mike



On Sep 29, 2011, at 8:22 AM, "Wayne G. O'Shea" <oifa@irishfield.on.ca> wrote:
Thanks for the effort Mike and the good read on those old 1999 emails ! LOL

Do we need to resend anything that we sent during the rework or will it
queue up at some point?

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Davis" <mike.davis@dcsol.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:43 AM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Re: Moose -Alaska crash ...

I apologize for the old messages going out... it took me a few minutes to
catch what was happening.

I have completed moving the list server to a new system, but along the way
the list server decided it needed to resend every message that was ever
posted! And I even followed the developers instructions to ensure that
wouldn't happen! Oh well, the job is done, and hopefully I didn't ruin
anybody's day along the way.

The good and the bad... the old server took 2.8 seconds to process each
list
message... the new server is doing 14 messages every second! That's
really
good, unless it decides it's going to resend all 43,000 messages to every
member. (>_<)

Outstanding issues...

The file areas are all there, even if they indicate zero files... just
click
on them, and they'll be there.

The search feature currently comes up with zero results, no matter what
you
search for... and that's in both the message and file areas.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Maxwell
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:48 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Re: Moose -Alaska crash ...

This is odd.

I have noticed recently that some relatively old posts have been
appearing in my in-box but at 6 years, this one must hold the record?

Bill

On 20/09/2005 6:38 AM, Wayne G. O'Shea wrote:
It's not rumour Bob. I talked with Stewart B...(Steve Rhodes used
Stewarts
paint booth for his near complete Moose) and YES the MT went into full
beta.
They figured it out on approach and pulled the power...but couldnt' make
the
field.

Wayne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Patterson"<beep@sympatico.ca>
To:<rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 2:36 PM
Subject: Moose -Alaska crash ...

and
....
who


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