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Jesse Jenks

[rebel-builders]First Flight... Video!

Post by Jesse Jenks » Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:41 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bni25G920J4




From: jessejenks@hotmail.com
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] RE: [rebel-builders First Flight...has happened!
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:50:02 -0800


Bob,
I just talked to the Bushwheels guy again and he says three things: angle of the pivot in relation to horizontal must be positive 1 or 2 degrees, tire pressure matters (mine is too high), tighten the pivot nut as you say Bob. I think I have a positive angle, but will check for sure, and I'll tighten the pivot and lower tire pressure and see what happens. I asked him about steering springs tension, and he says he has seen tight springs shimmy as bad as loose ones.
From: bobp@prosumers.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE: [rebel-builders First Flight...has happened!
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:43:38 -0500


Hi Jesse !

That's odd - if it is a clone of the Scott, they definitely use
tension springs, snug, or they won't steer right & will shimmy ...

I have had to cut an inch or more off the back end of later
fiberglass springs to bring the tailwheel shaft to vertical - they
were supplied longer... Might be too long & wiggly, leaving
the shaft sloping back too far ... Shimmy is serious stuff -
can cause a lot of damage in the tail section.

If it is a clone of the Scott, there should be a large nut on
the bottom, secured with a cotter pin. If you remove the pin &
tighten it, it increases friction, and should prevent shimmy ...
try it snug, & replace the pin... Should feel stiff to move by
hand... then give it a shot of grease... Hope that works !

--

......bobp
bobp@prosumers.ca
bobp@pattersys.com
http://www.Pattersys.com
http://www.amway.ca/BobPatterson

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On February 16, 2011 01:30:37 am Jesse Jenks wrote:
Thanks Bob,
Tailwheel is the baby bushwheel. It is a scott 3200 body with a larger fork
and fat tire. I have the fiberglass tailspring. The steering springs are
from Murphy and the chains are a bit slack. I rigged them that way at the
direction of a guy at Alaskan Bushwheels. He said to make sure the chains
are not so tight that when the thing is hard over the outside chain gets
real tight and prevents it from breaking loose without a bunch of force. I
think you're right though, they probably need to be tighter. I'll try
unplugging my static lines and see what that does. It seems like you
wouldn't get a reliable pressure that way either, but I know I have heard
you and others say that before. A static mast would be easy to do at this
point too. Hopefully will have a youtube link before too long

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N.Smith

[rebel-builders]First Flight... Video!

Post by N.Smith » Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:41 pm

Thanks Jesse.... looks great

Nig
745E

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Jenks
Sent: 16 February 2011 16:59
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Subject: RE: [rebel-builders]First Flight... Video!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bni25G920J4




From: jessejenks@hotmail.com
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] RE: [rebel-builders First Flight...has
happened!
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:50:02 -0800


Bob,
I just talked to the Bushwheels guy again and he says three things: angle
of the pivot in relation to horizontal must be positive 1 or 2 degrees, tire
pressure matters (mine is too high), tighten the pivot nut as you say Bob. I
think I have a positive angle, but will check for sure, and I'll tighten the
pivot and lower tire pressure and see what happens. I asked him about
steering springs tension, and he says he has seen tight springs shimmy as
bad as loose ones.
From: bobp@prosumers.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE: [rebel-builders First Flight...has
happened!
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:43:38 -0500


Hi Jesse !

That's odd - if it is a clone of the Scott, they definitely use
tension springs, snug, or they won't steer right & will shimmy ...

I have had to cut an inch or more off the back end of later
fiberglass springs to bring the tailwheel shaft to vertical - they
were supplied longer... Might be too long & wiggly, leaving
the shaft sloping back too far ... Shimmy is serious stuff -
can cause a lot of damage in the tail section.

If it is a clone of the Scott, there should be a large nut on
the bottom, secured with a cotter pin. If you remove the pin &
tighten it, it increases friction, and should prevent shimmy ...
try it snug, & replace the pin... Should feel stiff to move by
hand... then give it a shot of grease... Hope that works !

--

......bobp
bobp@prosumers.ca
bobp@pattersys.com
http://www.Pattersys.com
http://www.amway.ca/BobPatterson

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On February 16, 2011 01:30:37 am Jesse Jenks wrote:
Thanks Bob,
Tailwheel is the baby bushwheel. It is a scott 3200 body with a larger
fork
and fat tire. I have the fiberglass tailspring. The steering springs
are
from Murphy and the chains are a bit slack. I rigged them that way at
the
direction of a guy at Alaskan Bushwheels. He said to make sure the
chains
are not so tight that when the thing is hard over the outside chain
gets
real tight and prevents it from breaking loose without a bunch of
force. I
think you're right though, they probably need to be tighter. I'll try
unplugging my static lines and see what that does. It seems like you
wouldn't get a reliable pressure that way either, but I know I have
heard
you and others say that before. A static mast would be easy to do at
this
point too. Hopefully will have a youtube link before too long
I
ports
the
work
complete
because
would
get
gal
your
may
flap
neutral.
Thanks.

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Marc & Janine

[rebel-builders]First Flight... Video!

Post by Marc & Janine » Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:41 pm

Congratulations Jesse!

Seems to climb like a monkey.
Nice and stable landing.

Regards,

Marc van Hulzen
PH-REB

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
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Verzonden: woensdag 16 februari 2011 17:59
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Onderwerp: RE: [rebel-builders]First Flight... Video!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bni25G920J4




From: jessejenks@hotmail.com
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] RE: [rebel-builders First Flight...has
happened!
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:50:02 -0800


Bob,
I just talked to the Bushwheels guy again and he says three things: angle
of the pivot in relation to horizontal must be positive 1 or 2 degrees, tire
pressure matters (mine is too high), tighten the pivot nut as you say Bob. I
think I have a positive angle, but will check for sure, and I'll tighten the
pivot and lower tire pressure and see what happens. I asked him about
steering springs tension, and he says he has seen tight springs shimmy as
bad as loose ones.
From: bobp@prosumers.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE: [rebel-builders First Flight...has
happened!
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:43:38 -0500


Hi Jesse !

That's odd - if it is a clone of the Scott, they definitely use
tension springs, snug, or they won't steer right & will shimmy ...

I have had to cut an inch or more off the back end of later
fiberglass springs to bring the tailwheel shaft to vertical - they
were supplied longer... Might be too long & wiggly, leaving
the shaft sloping back too far ... Shimmy is serious stuff -
can cause a lot of damage in the tail section.

If it is a clone of the Scott, there should be a large nut on
the bottom, secured with a cotter pin. If you remove the pin &
tighten it, it increases friction, and should prevent shimmy ...
try it snug, & replace the pin... Should feel stiff to move by
hand... then give it a shot of grease... Hope that works !

--

......bobp
bobp@prosumers.ca
bobp@pattersys.com
http://www.Pattersys.com
http://www.amway.ca/BobPatterson

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On February 16, 2011 01:30:37 am Jesse Jenks wrote:
Thanks Bob,
Tailwheel is the baby bushwheel. It is a scott 3200 body with a larger
fork
and fat tire. I have the fiberglass tailspring. The steering springs
are
from Murphy and the chains are a bit slack. I rigged them that way at
the
direction of a guy at Alaskan Bushwheels. He said to make sure the
chains
are not so tight that when the thing is hard over the outside chain
gets
real tight and prevents it from breaking loose without a bunch of
force. I
think you're right though, they probably need to be tighter. I'll try
unplugging my static lines and see what that does. It seems like you
wouldn't get a reliable pressure that way either, but I know I have
heard
you and others say that before. A static mast would be easy to do at
this
point too. Hopefully will have a youtube link before too long
I
ports
the
work
complete
because
would
get
gal
your
may
flap
neutral.
Thanks.

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Jones, Michael

[rebel-builders]First Flight... Video!

Post by Jones, Michael » Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:41 pm

Way to go, looks great
Are you using mc3b nose bowl, would love to see some pics all around
your cowl

cheers

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Jesse Jenks
Sent: February 16, 2011 11:59 AM
To: Builders list
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders]First Flight... Video!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bni25G920J4




From: jessejenks@hotmail.com
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] RE: [rebel-builders First Flight...has
happened!
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:50:02 -0800


Bob,
I just talked to the Bushwheels guy again and he says three things:
angle of the pivot in relation to horizontal must be positive 1 or 2
degrees, tire pressure matters (mine is too high), tighten the pivot nut
as you say Bob. I think I have a positive angle, but will check for
sure, and I'll tighten the pivot and lower tire pressure and see what
happens. I asked him about steering springs tension, and he says he has
seen tight springs shimmy as bad as loose ones.
From: bobp@prosumers.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE: [rebel-builders First Flight...has
happened!
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:43:38 -0500


Hi Jesse !

That's odd - if it is a clone of the Scott, they definitely use
tension springs, snug, or they won't steer right & will shimmy ...

I have had to cut an inch or more off the back end of later
fiberglass springs to bring the tailwheel shaft to vertical - they
were supplied longer... Might be too long & wiggly, leaving
the shaft sloping back too far ... Shimmy is serious stuff -
can cause a lot of damage in the tail section.

If it is a clone of the Scott, there should be a large nut on
the bottom, secured with a cotter pin. If you remove the pin &
tighten it, it increases friction, and should prevent shimmy ...
try it snug, & replace the pin... Should feel stiff to move by
hand... then give it a shot of grease... Hope that works !

--

......bobp
bobp@prosumers.ca
bobp@pattersys.com
http://www.Pattersys.com
http://www.amway.ca/BobPatterson

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On February 16, 2011 01:30:37 am Jesse Jenks wrote:
Thanks Bob,
Tailwheel is the baby bushwheel. It is a scott 3200 body with a
larger fork
and fat tire. I have the fiberglass tailspring. The steering
springs are
from Murphy and the chains are a bit slack. I rigged them that way
at the
direction of a guy at Alaskan Bushwheels. He said to make sure the
chains
are not so tight that when the thing is hard over the outside
chain gets
real tight and prevents it from breaking loose without a bunch of
force. I
think you're right though, they probably need to be tighter. I'll
try
unplugging my static lines and see what that does. It seems like
you
wouldn't get a reliable pressure that way either, but I know I
have heard
you and others say that before. A static mast would be easy to do
at this
point too. Hopefully will have a youtube link before too long
Flight...has
off
should
needle
wheel
wicked
until I
didn't 3
and my
static ports
under the
days work
wing/fuselage
complete
because
afternoon would
to get
20 gal
your
seems
think I may
flap
at
neutral.
Thanks.

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Bill Maxwell

[rebel-builders]First Flight... Video!

Post by Bill Maxwell » Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:41 pm

Hmm, that takes me to the video and I can hear the soundtrack but no
video. Youtube says it is unlisted. Anybody know how I overcome this?

Bill

On 17/02/2011 3:59 AM, Jesse Jenks wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bni25G920J4




From: jessejenks@hotmail.com
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] RE: [rebel-builders First Flight...has happened!
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:50:02 -0800


Bob,
I just talked to the Bushwheels guy again and he says three things: angle of the pivot in relation to horizontal must be positive 1 or 2 degrees, tire pressure matters (mine is too high), tighten the pivot nut as you say Bob. I think I have a positive angle, but will check for sure, and I'll tighten the pivot and lower tire pressure and see what happens. I asked him about steering springs tension, and he says he has seen tight springs shimmy as bad as loose ones.
From: bobp@prosumers.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE: [rebel-builders First Flight...has happened!
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:43:38 -0500


Hi Jesse !

That's odd - if it is a clone of the Scott, they definitely use
tension springs, snug, or they won't steer right& will shimmy ...

I have had to cut an inch or more off the back end of later
fiberglass springs to bring the tailwheel shaft to vertical - they
were supplied longer... Might be too long& wiggly, leaving
the shaft sloping back too far ... Shimmy is serious stuff -
can cause a lot of damage in the tail section.

If it is a clone of the Scott, there should be a large nut on
the bottom, secured with a cotter pin. If you remove the pin&
tighten it, it increases friction, and should prevent shimmy ...
try it snug,& replace the pin... Should feel stiff to move by
hand... then give it a shot of grease... Hope that works !

--

......bobp
bobp@prosumers.ca
bobp@pattersys.com
http://www.Pattersys.com
http://www.amway.ca/BobPatterson

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Bill Maxwell

[rebel-builders]First Flight... Video!

Post by Bill Maxwell » Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:41 pm

Belay my last post. The link worked perfectly on my third attempt.

Well done, Jesse.

Bill

On 17/02/2011 9:50 AM, Bill Maxwell wrote:
Hmm, that takes me to the video and I can hear the soundtrack but no
video. Youtube says it is unlisted. Anybody know how I overcome this?

Bill

On 17/02/2011 3:59 AM, Jesse Jenks wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bni25G920J4




From: jessejenks@hotmail.com
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] RE: [rebel-builders First Flight...has happened!
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:50:02 -0800


Bob,
I just talked to the Bushwheels guy again and he says three things: angle of the pivot in relation to horizontal must be positive 1 or 2 degrees, tire pressure matters (mine is too high), tighten the pivot nut as you say Bob. I think I have a positive angle, but will check for sure, and I'll tighten the pivot and lower tire pressure and see what happens. I asked him about steering springs tension, and he says he has seen tight springs shimmy as bad as loose ones.




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snowyrvr

[rebel-builders]First Flight... Video!

Post by snowyrvr » Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:41 pm

Jesse,

Your plane looks awesome. Congrats! Hopefully you'll post more videos. Nice job! Craig

--- Michael.Jones@snclavalin.com wrote:

From: "Jones, Michael" <Michael.Jones@snclavalin.com>
To: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders]First Flight... Video!
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:40:31 -0500

Way to go, looks great
Are you using mc3b nose bowl, would love to see some pics all around
your cowl

cheers

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Jesse Jenks
Sent: February 16, 2011 11:59 AM
To: Builders list
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders]First Flight... Video!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bni25G920J4




From: jessejenks@hotmail.com
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] RE: [rebel-builders First Flight...has
happened!
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:50:02 -0800


Bob,
I just talked to the Bushwheels guy again and he says three things:
angle of the pivot in relation to horizontal must be positive 1 or 2
degrees, tire pressure matters (mine is too high), tighten the pivot nut
as you say Bob. I think I have a positive angle, but will check for
sure, and I'll tighten the pivot and lower tire pressure and see what
happens. I asked him about steering springs tension, and he says he has
seen tight springs shimmy as bad as loose ones.
From: bobp@prosumers.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE: [rebel-builders First Flight...has
happened!
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:43:38 -0500


Hi Jesse !

That's odd - if it is a clone of the Scott, they definitely use
tension springs, snug, or they won't steer right & will shimmy ...

I have had to cut an inch or more off the back end of later
fiberglass springs to bring the tailwheel shaft to vertical - they
were supplied longer... Might be too long & wiggly, leaving
the shaft sloping back too far ... Shimmy is serious stuff -
can cause a lot of damage in the tail section.

If it is a clone of the Scott, there should be a large nut on
the bottom, secured with a cotter pin. If you remove the pin &
tighten it, it increases friction, and should prevent shimmy ...
try it snug, & replace the pin... Should feel stiff to move by
hand... then give it a shot of grease... Hope that works !

--

......bobp
bobp@prosumers.ca
bobp@pattersys.com
http://www.Pattersys.com
http://www.amway.ca/BobPatterson

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On February 16, 2011 01:30:37 am Jesse Jenks wrote:
Thanks Bob,
Tailwheel is the baby bushwheel. It is a scott 3200 body with a
larger fork
and fat tire. I have the fiberglass tailspring. The steering
springs are
from Murphy and the chains are a bit slack. I rigged them that way
at the
direction of a guy at Alaskan Bushwheels. He said to make sure the
chains
are not so tight that when the thing is hard over the outside
chain gets
real tight and prevents it from breaking loose without a bunch of
force. I
think you're right though, they probably need to be tighter. I'll
try
unplugging my static lines and see what that does. It seems like
you
wouldn't get a reliable pressure that way either, but I know I
have heard
you and others say that before. A static mast would be easy to do
at this
point too. Hopefully will have a youtube link before too long
Flight...has
off
should
needle
wheel
wicked
until I
didn't 3
and my
static ports
under the
days work
wing/fuselage
complete
because
afternoon would
to get
20 gal
your
seems
think I may
flap
at
neutral.
Thanks.

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tjhickey

[rebel-builders]First Flight... Video!

Post by tjhickey » Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:41 pm

Just got to see the video. Looks Great! Keep us up to date on flight testing
and problem solutions.



Tim Hickey
R808
Montrose, Iowa.

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Jim Parr

[rebel-builders]First Flight... Video!

Post by Jim Parr » Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:42 pm

Awesome! Only about a million rivets to go to be there too. I am jealous!
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From: jessejenks@hotmail.com
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] RE: [rebel-builders First Flight...has
happened!
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:50:02 -0800


Bob,
I just talked to the Bushwheels guy again and he says three things: angle
of the pivot in relation to horizontal must be positive 1 or 2 degrees,
tire pressure matters (mine is too high), tighten the pivot nut as you
say Bob. I think I have a positive angle, but will check for sure, and
I'll tighten the pivot and lower tire pressure and see what happens. I
asked him about steering springs tension, and he says he has seen tight
springs shimmy as bad as loose ones.
From: bobp@prosumers.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] RE: [rebel-builders First Flight...has
happened!
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:43:38 -0500


Hi Jesse !

That's odd - if it is a clone of the Scott, they definitely use
tension springs, snug, or they won't steer right & will shimmy ...

I have had to cut an inch or more off the back end of later
fiberglass springs to bring the tailwheel shaft to vertical - they
were supplied longer... Might be too long & wiggly, leaving
the shaft sloping back too far ... Shimmy is serious stuff -
can cause a lot of damage in the tail section.

If it is a clone of the Scott, there should be a large nut on
the bottom, secured with a cotter pin. If you remove the pin &
tighten it, it increases friction, and should prevent shimmy ...
try it snug, & replace the pin... Should feel stiff to move by
hand... then give it a shot of grease... Hope that works !

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......bobp
bobp@prosumers.ca
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Curt Langholz

[rebel-builders]First Flight... Video!

Post by Curt Langholz » Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:42 pm

Very Cool !! Congratulations on your first flight!! Good looking Rebel.
Curtis
175R
From: jparr@accesscomm.ca
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Subject: Re: [rebel-builders]First Flight... Video!
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 18:02:30 -0600

Awesome! Only about a million rivets to go to be there too. I am jealous!
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From: jessejenks@hotmail.com
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] RE: [rebel-builders First Flight...has
happened!
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:50:02 -0800


Bob,
I just talked to the Bushwheels guy again and he says three things: angle
of the pivot in relation to horizontal must be positive 1 or 2 degrees,
tire pressure matters (mine is too high), tighten the pivot nut as you
say Bob. I think I have a positive angle, but will check for sure, and
I'll tighten the pivot and lower tire pressure and see what happens. I
asked him about steering springs tension, and he says he has seen tight
springs shimmy as bad as loose ones.


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