Give me a email address for you.
Keith
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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
rebflyer@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 5:17 PM
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] Moose/Super Rebel brake issue
Hey Keith!
Nice to hear from you! I've missed seeing you and your family at OSH the
last couple of years. I hope all is well.
Curt Martin
-----Original Message-----
From: montanafloat <keith@montanafloat.com>
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Sent: Wed, Jan 12, 2011 12:38 pm
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose/Super Rebel brake issue
The issue with the dual brakes is a adjustment problem not really a design
ssue.
What causes it is the slave link from the petal to the horizontal shaft. If
he slave rod conector ( the ears that the slave link connects to ) on
ither side on the horizontal rudder shaft becomes vertical with full rudder
nd brake applied, it can go over center instead of returning to its
riginal position and you will have full rudder and no way to get it back,
lso you will have no brake.
The adjustment on the rudder and brake petals takes some fine tuning on the
justments to get rudder and brake travel correct with out the danger of
oing over center.
As I have said before I don't normally add to these threads but I have had
airplanes (Mooses) do this and feel it is something to be aware of.
Fortunately both of them were on the ground and the problem was discovered
efore flight.
Keith Kinden
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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
. O'Shea
ent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 6:05 PM
o: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
ubject: Re: [rebel-builders] Moose/Super Rebel brake issue
I think everyone here would love to see your Mod Roger so pics in the
rchives would be great. I've had two Elites and a Rebel through here with
ual brakes and I've done everything under the sun and couldn't make them
ock up. Maybe the Moose is a tad different???
----- Original Message -----
rom: "Bill Maxwell" <wrmaxwell@bigpond.com>
o: <rebel-builders@dcsol.com>
ent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:41 PM
ubject: Re: [rebel-builders] Moose/Super Rebel brake issue
I would be interested, please roger.
Bill
On 12/01/2011 11:17 AM, rogerk@dcsol.com wrote:
hi Tom and Ted
For what it's worth, I managed to fix this permanently with a 1/2" piece
of mild steel about an inch and a half long. No chance of over
centering
mine now. I can take a photo if you're interested.
Roger K
On 1/10/2011 7:22 PM, ted@vafm.org wrote to rebel-builders:
-> Tom,
->
-> In brief: The manner in which the brakes are mounted to the floor, in
-> combination with the design of the right-side brake interconnect bar,
can,
-> if the brake mounts are off just slightly, cause an unrecoverable (in
-> flight/taxi) pedal lock up. Full L or full R rudder coupled with
full brake
-> can cause the brake linkage to go over-center, thereby locking the
pedals
-> up. Several builders have experienced this while taxiing and were
able to
-> stop and, using a tool (e.g. long screwdriver, pry bar) unlock the
pedal.
->
-> One builder with approx 60 hours on his plane ground-looped it on
-> landing/takeoff (can't remember which) resulting in totaling the
plane and
-> having the gear leg break off and come up thru the floor severely
cutting
-> the pilot's leg.
->
-> This is a SERIOUS issue. If you don't have dual master/slave
cylinders or
-> some other mod then I strongly recommend you take off the right-side
brake
-> interconnect bar. Immediately.
->
-> Pictures are available amongst various builders. Perhaps Murphy is
working
-> on a service bulletin? Anyone know?
->
-> Ted
->
-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
-> thtonner@mymts.net
-> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 7:28 PM
-> To: Murphy Mailing list
-> Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose engine choice
->
->
-> Can anyone share a little more information on the right side brake
safety
-> concern. I own a SR2500. this is the first I heard of it and would
like to
-> know what the issue is, how to resolve, etc.
->
-> Thanks,
-> Tom Tonner
->
-> > From: ted@vafm.org
-> > To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
-> > Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] Moose engine choice
-> > Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 10:15:47 -0700
-> >
-> > Hello Rick,
-> >
-> > I have 400+ hours on an M-14P Moose operating at 5,000' in the
Denver
-> area.
-> > No problems with gross weight takeoffs even on very warm days.
Cruise is
-> > 120 mph at 15.5gph. Anyone that advertises faster cruise than that
is full
-> > of !@#@%. I've flown side-by-side with another Moose w/ M-14 and
confirmed
-> > speed/gph. Climb perf is about 600 to 800 fpm at medium weight on
maybe 60
-> > to 70 degree day at my altitude. I've had it up to 16,500' several
times
-> > and it's still able to climb.
-> >
-> > O-540's are definitely faster by far.
-> >
-> > M-14P's are sexy engines. Parts are easy to get and far, FAR less
-> expensive
-> > than O-540. One can get an M-14P (overhauled one) for low $20k and
new one
-> > for $25K+ if you look around. To my knowledge, O-540's are way
more
-> > expensive than that.
-> >
-> > MAM never released a service bulletin on the huge safety problem
of the
-> > right-brake interconnect. Go figure. I just took my interconnect
bar
-> > off/out. Other builders have done a variety of mods to enable
right-side
-> > brakes (Cessna mod, custom, etc). I don't miss not having
right-side
-> brakes
-> > at all.
-> >
-> > Ted
-> >
-> > -----Original Message-----
-> > From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf
Of Rick
-> > Byers
-> > Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 5:35 AM
-> > To: Rebel Builders Group
-> > Subject: [rebel-builders] Moose engine choice
-> >
-> > Hi All,
-> >
-> > I'm new to the email group. I started a Super Rebel a few years
ago,
-> > purchased the Moose Upgrade and had some down time from the
building
-> > process. Plan to start up again soon and am still undecided on the
M14-P
-> or
-> > O-540 engine.
-> > MAM has told me that I can complete the fuselage and that the
Firewall
-> will
-> > be built the same up to the engine mounting.
-> >
-> > I was hoping to get some feedback from anyone flying Moose with
O-540's
-> and
-> > M14's on the pros and cons of each. I've read about the
peculiarities of
-> the
-> > M14 series engines as far as how they differ from the Opposed
Engines for
-> > ground operations. I guess what I'm looking for is the actual
performance
-> > numbers: Rate of climb, cruise speed, fuel burn. I've seen the
advertised
-> > numbers but was just looking for some confirmation.
-> >
-> > I currently fly a C-120 out of Bisbee, AZ where the field
elevation is
-> 4780
-> > ft. and it's not uncommon to have density altitudes over 8000 ft.
in the
-> > warm months. Some days I'm lucky to see 100 fpm climb rate. This
is where
-> > I'm wondering about the O-540 with a gross wt airplane.
-> >
-> > I've read about a Moose accident where a brake over centered and
locked
-> up.
-> > MAM hasn't responded to my question on that subject yet. Saw some
posts by
-> > builders who didn't install the RH side brake mechanism. Is it
standard
-> > practice to not install the right seat slave hardware?
-> >
-> > Thank you.
-> > Any answers& help is greatly appreciated.
-> >
-> > Rick Byers
-> > Hereford, AZ
-> >
-> >
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