[rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?

[Jesse Jenks]

OK. Sounds good Bob. I'm sold.

From: bobp@prosumers.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:18:48 -0500


Hi Jesse !

i open my bottom doors every oil change ! i have a quick drain
valve on the oil tank, and a tube running from it to the rear,
fastened to the bottom of the fuselage aft of the firewall.
The tube means I don't have to carry or fool with a hose
for oil changes.

The 4 door cowl is THE best way to go ! Birds can build
nests while you have lunch - just pull the wire out, and
have a peek, and check the oil while you're there !!

--

......bobp
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bobp@pattersys.com
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On November 15, 2010 10:43:47 am Jesse Jenks wrote:

I think I am going to go with the 4 door. Do you actually open the lower
doors very often though?

From: oifa@irishfield.on.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 00:17:24 -0500

Jesse build it with 4 easily opened doors and you will maintain that
engine like a top. Make the access any more difficult and the
pre-flight, "curiosity inspections", etc come to a halt. Amazing what
gets neglected behind the two piece speed cowling and it's numerous
screws/camlocks or what ever means you hold it on with, it's just not
convenient (especially at a dock!)

JMHO..
Wayne

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[Ken]

Don't know about others but with latches on my top two doors, they both
get opened at least once every day it flies and often more than once. I
don't have a separate oil door but then the soob doesn't burn oil. The
Piper Commanche latches came from ebay and it was a bit of effort to
re-inforce the doors to mount them but I'm glad I did. New Latches are
ridiculously expensive so it may be worth checking around for used ones.
I could not find a commercial equivalent.

My bottom two doors are small and have the piano wire fastening method
and you are correct, those rarely get opened.

Ken

Jesse Jenks wrote:

I think I am going to go with the 4 door. Do you actually open the lower doors very often though?

From: oifa@irishfield.on.ca
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: Re: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 00:17:24 -0500

Jesse build it with 4 easily opened doors and you will maintain that engine
like a top. Make the access any more difficult and the pre-flight,
"curiosity inspections", etc come to a halt. Amazing what gets neglected
behind the two piece speed cowling and it's numerous screws/camlocks or what
ever means you hold it on with, it's just not convenient (especially at a
dock!)

JMHO..
Wayne

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From: "Jesse Jenks" <jessejenks@hotmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 10:08 PM
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?

Cool, that's the first one I've seen with a one piece bottom like that.
.032 seems like it would be pretty hard to work with, and I don't have a
roller either. Guess I might need to use one for the side panels...even
with .025?

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[Jesse Jenks]

From: jessejenks@hotmail.com
To: joe@halzel.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:10:18 -0800









Thanks Joe,
I have looked at Roger's wedsite quite a bit and his pictures on the cowling are great. I just wasn't sure about about a prop spacer because he used a smaller Continental and I have a Lyc O-320. It has been a very helpful resource over the years though for sure and I highly reccomend it as well.
Ken, That's a good idea using Apache latches, I'll see if I can find some. I was also thinking of using 4 or 5 camlocs. I know some of you really like the piano hinge method, but I'm not enthusiastic about it.

From: joe@halzel.com
To: jessejenks@hotmail.com
Subject: FW: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 10:53:16 -0700

JESSE: I don't know if you have already looked at Roger Hofmann's web site
or not. If not, he has some great pictures on building a 4 door cowl. He
also used the MC-3B nose bowl from Spruce. If you need a cooling air opening
you could use the MC-3C nose bowl. Go to:

http://tincantimes.dcsol.com/4dCowling.htm

Hope this helps.

Joe Ronco 279R

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[Jesse Jenks]

Sorry Ken, that was Comanche not Apache. I got my tribes mixed up.

From: jessejenks@hotmail.com
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com
Subject: FW: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:12:52 -0800




From: jessejenks@hotmail.com
To: joe@halzel.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:10:18 -0800









Thanks Joe,
I have looked at Roger's wedsite quite a bit and his pictures on the cowling are great. I just wasn't sure about about a prop spacer because he used a smaller Continental and I have a Lyc O-320. It has been a very helpful resource over the years though for sure and I highly reccomend it as well.
Ken, That's a good idea using Apache latches, I'll see if I can find some. I was also thinking of using 4 or 5 camlocs. I know some of you really like the piano hinge method, but I'm not enthusiastic about it.

From: joe@halzel.com
To: jessejenks@hotmail.com
Subject: FW: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 10:53:16 -0700

JESSE: I don't know if you have already looked at Roger Hofmann's web site
or not. If not, he has some great pictures on building a 4 door cowl. He
also used the MC-3B nose bowl from Spruce. If you need a cooling air opening
you could use the MC-3C nose bowl. Go to:

http://tincantimes.dcsol.com/4dCowling.htm

Hope this helps.

Joe Ronco 279R

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[Jones, Michael]

Hi jesse

I have the 4 door with 0-320 and mc-3b nose bowl
Yes it works but it makes things very tight under my cowl,
Clearance from fly wheel to nose bowl is very close,
Clearance from nose bowl to cylinders is very close and makes for some
pretty steep angles on the front baffle plates
Also the openings on the nose bowl are so big it makes baffels a really
tigh fit and close to the flywheel again
In fact I have redone the nose bowl opening and made little smaller
based upon the tony bingelis books
I chose to save some money and not use spacer but its a lot of extra
fitting I find to make it all work and I think if I did it again I would
use a spacer

Cheers

mike

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Jesse Jenks
Sent: November 16, 2010 11:13 AM
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Subject: FW: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?




From: jessejenks@hotmail.com
To: joe@halzel.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:10:18 -0800









Thanks Joe,
I have looked at Roger's wedsite quite a bit and his pictures on the
cowling are great. I just wasn't sure about about a prop spacer because
he used a smaller Continental and I have a Lyc O-320. It has been a very
helpful resource over the years though for sure and I highly reccomend
it as well.
Ken, That's a good idea using Apache latches, I'll see if I can find
some. I was also thinking of using 4 or 5 camlocs. I know some of you
really like the piano hinge method, but I'm not enthusiastic about it.

From: joe@halzel.com
To: jessejenks@hotmail.com
Subject: FW: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 10:53:16 -0700

JESSE: I don't know if you have already looked at Roger Hofmann's web

site

or not. If not, he has some great pictures on building a 4 door cowl.

He

also used the MC-3B nose bowl from Spruce. If you need a cooling air

opening

you could use the MC-3C nose bowl. Go to:

http://tincantimes.dcsol.com/4dCowling.htm

Hope this helps.

Joe Ronco 279R

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[Jesse Jenks]

Thanks Mike, well I just ordered my prop and bolts, so I'd have to exchange those for longer ones and get a spacer, but it could be done. I guess I'll get the nose bowl and take a gander at the clearance. Do you have any pictures of your installation? That would be very helpful.
Jesse

Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 11:21:52 -0500
From: Michael.Jones@snclavalin.com
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com

Hi jesse

I have the 4 door with 0-320 and mc-3b nose bowl
Yes it works but it makes things very tight under my cowl,
Clearance from fly wheel to nose bowl is very close,
Clearance from nose bowl to cylinders is very close and makes for some
pretty steep angles on the front baffle plates
Also the openings on the nose bowl are so big it makes baffels a really
tigh fit and close to the flywheel again
In fact I have redone the nose bowl opening and made little smaller
based upon the tony bingelis books
I chose to save some money and not use spacer but its a lot of extra
fitting I find to make it all work and I think if I did it again I would
use a spacer

Cheers

mike

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From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Jesse Jenks
Sent: November 16, 2010 11:13 AM
To: Builders list
Subject: FW: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?




From: jessejenks@hotmail.com
To: joe@halzel.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:10:18 -0800









Thanks Joe,
I have looked at Roger's wedsite quite a bit and his pictures on the
cowling are great. I just wasn't sure about about a prop spacer because
he used a smaller Continental and I have a Lyc O-320. It has been a very
helpful resource over the years though for sure and I highly reccomend
it as well.
Ken, That's a good idea using Apache latches, I'll see if I can find
some. I was also thinking of using 4 or 5 camlocs. I know some of you
really like the piano hinge method, but I'm not enthusiastic about it.

From: joe@halzel.com
To: jessejenks@hotmail.com
Subject: FW: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 10:53:16 -0700

JESSE: I don't know if you have already looked at Roger Hofmann's web

site

or not. If not, he has some great pictures on building a 4 door cowl.

He

also used the MC-3B nose bowl from Spruce. If you need a cooling air

opening

you could use the MC-3C nose bowl. Go to:

http://tincantimes.dcsol.com/4dCowling.htm

Hope this helps.

Joe Ronco 279R

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[mike jones]

Will see what I can do this weekend

cheers

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of Jesse
Jenks
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 5:18 PM
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Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?


Thanks Mike, well I just ordered my prop and bolts, so I'd have to exchange
those for longer ones and get a spacer, but it could be done. I guess I'll
get the nose bowl and take a gander at the clearance. Do you have any
pictures of your installation? That would be very helpful.
Jesse

Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 11:21:52 -0500
From: Michael.Jones@snclavalin.com
To: rebel-builders@dcsol.com

Hi jesse

I have the 4 door with 0-320 and mc-3b nose bowl
Yes it works but it makes things very tight under my cowl,
Clearance from fly wheel to nose bowl is very close,
Clearance from nose bowl to cylinders is very close and makes for some
pretty steep angles on the front baffle plates
Also the openings on the nose bowl are so big it makes baffels a really
tigh fit and close to the flywheel again
In fact I have redone the nose bowl opening and made little smaller
based upon the tony bingelis books
I chose to save some money and not use spacer but its a lot of extra
fitting I find to make it all work and I think if I did it again I would
use a spacer

Cheers

mike

-----Original Message-----
From: mike.davis@dcsol.com [mailto:mike.davis@dcsol.com] On Behalf Of
Jesse Jenks
Sent: November 16, 2010 11:13 AM
To: Builders list
Subject: FW: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?




From: jessejenks@hotmail.com
To: joe@halzel.com
Subject: RE: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:10:18 -0800









Thanks Joe,
I have looked at Roger's wedsite quite a bit and his pictures on the
cowling are great. I just wasn't sure about about a prop spacer because
he used a smaller Continental and I have a Lyc O-320. It has been a very
helpful resource over the years though for sure and I highly reccomend
it as well.
Ken, That's a good idea using Apache latches, I'll see if I can find
some. I was also thinking of using 4 or 5 camlocs. I know some of you
really like the piano hinge method, but I'm not enthusiastic about it.

From: joe@halzel.com
To: jessejenks@hotmail.com
Subject: FW: [rebel-builders] prop spacer with nosebowl cowl?
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 10:53:16 -0700

JESSE: I don't know if you have already looked at Roger Hofmann's web

site

or not. If not, he has some great pictures on building a 4 door cowl.

He

also used the MC-3B nose bowl from Spruce. If you need a cooling air

opening

you could use the MC-3C nose bowl. Go to:

http://tincantimes.dcsol.com/4dCowling.htm

Hope this helps.

Joe Ronco 279R

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